Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Prime Clone]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yeah, I could handle her sticking with her "military leader" path more than I could Han regressing to a no-good swindler again.

 

[Popnfresh98]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Leia must have gone into Jedi meditation mode before impact, as taking a deep breath would have made her lungs explode.

Shame she never became a fully fledged Jedi - one of the missed opportunities of the ST.

Hamill recently said Luke training Leia to be a Jedi before he died was the way George had planned to end Ep 9. But we all do know Lucas likes to play as he goes along so you never know.

 

[Adolfo]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Hamill recently said Luke training Leia to be a Jedi before he died was the way George had planned to end Ep 9. But we all do know Lucas likes to play as he goes along so you never know.

and that woulda been a better story than what we got

 

[Adolfo]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Leia must have gone into Jedi meditation mode before impact, as taking a deep breath would have made her lungs explode.

Shame she never became a fully fledged Jedi - one of the missed opportunities of the ST.

I never for a second thought Leia of the OT would want to become a magical religous zealot. Especially after seeing what it did to her biological family.

remember...Disney says that Leia and Rey and The Kennedy chosen are entitled to the force....Leia might have been the first in the galaxy to do the Space poppins move ever....lol...Like the chick sang in club Obiwan said 34 years ago..."Anything Goes!"

 

[Vault Boy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

How you know when a "reporter" is doing PR for Disney. From Esquire:

https://www.esquire.com/entertainme...ura-dern-admiral-holdo-force-death-star-wars/

From the first announcement that Laura Dern would be joining the Star Wars universe, her character immediately became a fan favorite.

The Last Jedi's Vice Admiral Amilyn Holdo is one of the most complex characters in the Star Wars universe.

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[TaliBane]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I never for a second thought Leia of the OT would want to become a magical religous zealot. Especially after seeing what it did to her biological family.

"magical religious zealot"

Oh, how we must hate the OT now.

 

[Adolfo]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

"magical religious zealot"

Oh, how we must hate the OT now.

Disney + Kennedy + Ruin does

 

[Adolfo]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

How you know when a "reporter" is doing PR for Disney. From Esquire:

https://www.esquire.com/entertainme...ura-dern-admiral-holdo-force-death-star-wars/



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Kennedy as a reward put on her best and biggest strap on for that reporter

 

[chewblacca]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Someone in Facebook made a good point. Would it if bothered so many if the great Jedi master who turned his back on the Jedi was someone other than Luke? What If it was some guy that had only been mentioned in TFA but his history and struggles were unknown to the audience would it have changed our perception of the movie?

 

[Adolfo]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Someone in Facebook made a good point. Would it if bothered so many if the great Jedi master who turned his back on the Jedi was someone other than Luke? What If it was some guy that had only been mentioned in TFA but his history and struggles were unknown to the audience would it have changed our perception of the movie?

it would have been better yes I will say...BUT the world knows luke and who/what/why he is....he was rubbed out from head to toe including all internal traits intentionally like in some snuff film...part of the kill the bad past rewrite agenda so we can have a magical Disney commie pinko future star wars....question...DID WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE OLD OT LUKE?...HELL NO!....but the old Star Wars was not "Liberal Disney Enough"...so they murdered it including the force religion rules itself...Luke, the force as well as Star Wars itself died, no they were butchered inside and out ..all for the greater liberal good called Disney

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I never for a second thought Leia of the OT would want to become a magical religous zealot. Especially after seeing what it did to her biological family.

Agreed. In fact I've never been thrilled with the fact that Lucas retconned her into being a Skywalker (and by extension Force user) with ROTJ. Seeing all those EU novel and comic covers of her wielding a lightsaber just never rang true for me. I'm so glad that Abrams and Johnson kept her as a more passive wielder of the Force and not an outright Jedi.

In fact TFA and TLJ have allowed me to finally fully embrace Lucas' last minute revision of her character.

Someone in Facebook made a good point. Would it if bothered so many if the great Jedi master who turned his back on the Jedi was someone other than Luke? What If it was some guy that had only been mentioned in TFA but his history and struggles were unknown to the audience would it have changed our perception of the movie?

Of course it would have because he was a well written and well acted character with a very poignant and dramatic arc. Everyone but the most devoted slaves to the notion of him being a prequel-esque superhero already recognize that. If the Saga had been released in chronological order by episode number then the same bashers of TLJ Luke would have been outraged that the guy who bested Darth Maul as a padawan just gave up when facing an opponent that he'd already previously beaten.

 

[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

How you know when a "reporter" is doing PR for Disney. From Esquire:

https://www.esquire.com/entertainme...ura-dern-admiral-holdo-force-death-star-wars/



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You mean all you guys aren't clamoring for a HT Admiral Whodo figure? Isn't this the "true fans", the TLJ lovers, most eagerly wanted/anticipated action figure everyone is excited for?? I bet this would be an instant PO sellout in mere minutes and set a record for HT.

Maybe they could have an alternate head with yellow Sith eyes for when she scolds the men children like Poe, and give them an evil stare!! Oh the display possibilities.... Take my money now HT!!! Show Kennedy she's so awesome!!

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Holdo was awesome. Dern delivered an incredibly nuanced performance in a film that was already full of them. I do admit that it took some time for me to warm up to her look (hair and dress) though.

 

[Adolfo]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Agreed. In fact I've never been thrilled with the fact that Lucas retconned her into being a Skywalker (and by extension Force user) with ROTJ. Seeing all those EU novel and comic covers of her wielding a lightsaber just never rang true for me. I'm so glad that Abrams and Johnson kept her as a more passive wielder of the Force and not an outright Jedi.

In fact TFA and TLJ have allowed me to finally fully embrace Lucas' last minute revision of her character.



Of course it would have because he was a well written and well acted character with a very poignant and dramatic arc. Everyone but the most devoted slaves to the notion of him being a prequel-esque superhero already recognize that. If the Saga had been released in chronological order by episode number then the same bashers of TLJ Luke would have been outraged that the guy who bested Darth Maul as a padawan just gave up when facing an opponent that he'd already previously beaten.

Only in your dreams that Bens sacrifice is like Lukes Disney sacrifice...only in dream...and butch holdo after a fifth of wild irish rose would still be crap to the smart normal guy....of course Disney wants to change the meaning of smart and normal and make the world drink the milky kool aid

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

While true that I would never buy a Holdo action figure or statue it is also true that there are OT characters I would also never buy.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

While true that I would never buy a Holdo action figure or statue it is also true that there are OT characters I would also never buy.

Yeah, I definitely never clamored for a Mon Mothma figure when I was a kid.

And I noticed an interesting parallel between Mothma and Leia's arcs that has been fleshed out by the new films.

In RO Mothma couldn't hide her excitement at the news that Raddus had disobeyed the Council's orders (just like TLJ Poe) and taken his fleet to war. While in ROTJ she appeared heartbroken at the deaths of however many Bothans that she assumedly didn't even know.

Whereas in SW Leia didn't bat an eye at the 90% Rebel ship casualties at Yavin (27 of the 30 fighters were destroyed) but was crushed at losing the bombers and support fighters in TLJ. A nice parallel to the toll that the losses of war eventually had taken on both leaders.

 

[Adolfo]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Holdo was a terrible shoehorned for Disney agenda man hating waste. Dern delivered an incredibly nauseating performance in a film that was already full of them. I do admit that it took some time drinking heavy alcohol for me to warm up to her look (hair and dress) though.

That is what if you had me for a face quote LOL

 

[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Of course it would have because he was a well written and well acted character with a very poignant and dramatic arc. Everyone but the most devoted slaves to the notion of him being a prequel-esque superhero already recognize that. If the Saga had been released in chronological order by episode number then the same bashers of TLJ Luke would have been outraged that the guy who bested Darth Maul as a padawan just gave up when facing an opponent that he'd already previously beaten.

Isn't Yoda the one that told Obi-Wan to go into hiding?

And you really think what the world needs today is to see fallen heroes?? Luke is/was a character that never should have fallen. He is the epitome of what Disney should want to convey as proof with their new SW tagline in "Hope". He never gives up and always fights for what he believes in. Something kids today need to see in heroes, not the realism that everyone becomes grumpy old men when life wears them down and things never seem to go as planned. This is fantasy, not reality. We have plenty of that already.

But instead they changed that. Instead Rey is now this character that will be selfless and strong, to show perserverance and to show women are the true strength and men ultimately will always fail. Han falls and goes back to his old ways, Luke falls and gives up and just wants to die, but Leia stays strong and continues the good fight. Even the new characters, Finn falls back to being a coward, Poe is thoughtless/arrogant, Kylo is, well whatever he is but another flawed male....

I really don't understand how any "True" SW fan can defend what Johnson did to Luke's characterization. Whether you accept it or not, enjoy it or not, how can you feel it's the character arc Luke deserved after how he was portrayed in the OT?

 

[Adolfo]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Isn't Yoda the one that told Obi-Wan to go into hiding?

And you really think what the world needs today is to see fallen heroes?? Luke is/was a character that never should have fallen. He is the epitome of what Disney should want to convey as proof with their new SW tagline in "Hope". He never gives up and always fights for what he believes in. Something kids today need to see in heroes, not the realism that everyone becomes grumpy old men when life wears them down and things never seem to go as planned. This is fantasy, not reality. We have plenty of that already.

But instead they changed that. Instead Rey is now this character that will be selfless and strong, to show perserverance and to show women are the true strength and men ultimately will always fail. Han falls and goes back to his old ways, Luke falls and gives up and just wants to die, but Leia stays strong and continues the good fight. Even the new characters, Finn falls back to being a coward, Poe is thoughtless/arrogant, Kylo is, well whatever he is but another flawed male....

I really don't understand how any "True" SW fan can defend what Johnson did to Luke's characterization. Whether you accept it or not, enjoy it or not, how can you feel it's the character arc Luke deserved after how he was portrayed in the OT?

Now that was a really beautiful truthful thought provoking post...well said...Men to be considered men or heroes nowadays have to back down to the left...no matter how stupid the situation is

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Isn't Yoda the one that told Obi-Wan to go into hiding?

And you really think what the world needs today is to see fallen heroes?? Luke is/was a character that never should have fallen. He is the epitome of what Disney should want to convey as proof with their new SW tagline in "Hope". He never gives up and always fights for what he believes in. Something kids today need to see in heroes, not the realism that everyone becomes grumpy old men when life wears them down and things never seem to go as planned. This is fantasy, not reality. We have plenty of that already.

But instead they changed that. Instead Rey is now this character that will be selfless and strong, to show perserverance and to show women are the true strength and men ultimately will always fail. Han falls and goes back to his old ways, Luke falls and gives up and just wants to die, but Leia stays strong and continues the good fight. Even the new characters, Finn falls back to being a coward, Poe is thoughtless/arrogant, Kylo is, well whatever he is but another flawed male....

I really don't understand how any "True" SW fan can defend what Johnson did to Luke's characterization. Whether you accept it or not, enjoy it or not, how can you feel it's the character arc Luke deserved after how he was portrayed in the OT?

There's nothing wrong with wanting the Saga and it's most prominent heroes to stay at a hyper-level of feel good fantasy. But what I don't understand is why it's so hard to grasp that others might not want that to be an unwavering theme for these films, especially when it was never featured in the OT from beginning to end. I like seeing the characters go through hell in ESB, RO, and TLJ. It makes me like them more and appreciate their victories even moreso.

I didn't mind Rey's part in Luke's tale because she was just the messenger and not his inspiration. It was R2 and Yoda that actually prompted Luke to act, not her. After R2 showed him the hologram that prompted him to teach Rey the three lessons, and after Yoda gave his final lesson that prompted him to go to Crait.