Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yeah, I also thought he had a point with his funny "slowest chase sequence EVER" comments about Snoke following Leia's ship but then I realized that it's really just a "fortress under siege" and the fact that her ship is moving at all adds a new dynamic on that level alone.

The movie isn't above reproach obviously as it really doesn't make any sense for the FO to apparently have not one single bomber of their own (when both the Resistance and Empire had them) but eh, if I can write off the bad tactics of the OT (and even find them endearing) I can give a pass to stuff like that in TLJ.



Even though Han is my favorite SW character (probably my favorite character in all of fiction) there's nothing in these new films that quite compares to seeing Luke himself on screen again. Probably because Ford has been a constant in cinema the last 40 years (even playing Indy pretty similarly to Han in many ways) while we essentially haven't seen any version of Hamill or Luke since 1983. It can't be overstated how profound it is to see him back, and delivering such a powerhouse performance on top of that.



It really is surprising that even though it's the longest SW film it doesn't have a single boring scene. No ROTJ Dagobah or "becoming part of the tribe" moment in sight.



Yep, when has there ever been a "lighting of the beacons" sequence that was *not* answered in a movie before?



He's the reason the Resistance numbers 13 instead of 400 at the end.

Oh hell no i’m not letting JAWS get the credit for slowest chase ever that was in my initial review I know for a fact JAWS took that from me I have a “lol” from him to prove it

 

[crows]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

JAWS was the true and only hero of the last jedi thread. he came out glorious and victorious

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Oh hell no i’m not letting JAWS get the credit for slowest chase ever that was in my initial review I know for a fact JAWS took that from me I have a “lol” from him to prove it

Oh was it then I redact giving him props for such a funny comment, lol.

Seriously though I don't see Holdo's kamikaze right as Luke's saber explodes and the ST Executioner tries to behead Finn ever getting old, and that's without it even being my favorite scene in the movie. That honor goes to Luke and Yoda.

 

[cerealkeller]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I have watched it twice at home also making it my 6th and 7th time. I actually almost enjoy it more at home. If I were to grade it now, TLJ is a solid 8/10. Only time I get taken out of the movie is the Maz scene and Canto Bight but neither of those can take away from the beautiful storytelling that I did not expect but am happy I got. Luke sacrificing his wanting to help his friends (a holdover from his Empire training) and thinking he is doing the best thing to take the Jedi out of the equation so a new Light can spring up. Luke's biggest sacrifice is not doing what he wants to do but secluding himself and letting the Jedi religion die. The Yoda scene is powerful because he really is attempting to make Luke realize what he is doing is the same thing he did before: "All his life as he looks away to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was, what he was doing." Yoda telling Luke that this time the right thing to do is be mindful of the future, but not at the expense of the moment (a lesson from TPM)

I am sorry for those of you who do not like where the story is going. I understand not getting the movie you wanted does sting and seeing Luke as a sad hermit who wants to die is a gut punch. But Luke giving the galaxy a new spark and become a symbol for a new generation to not let the bad guys win is better for myself than seeing Luke be a BA Jedi Master.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Luke giving the galaxy a new spark and become a symbol for a new generation to not let the bad guys win is better for myself than seeing Luke be a BA Jedi Master.

Agreed, and such a perfect counterpoint to Vader's terrifying badassery at the end of RO.

 

[Adolfo]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Luke skyping to save the day...yup a modern hero...new symbol of hope for broomboy...Star Wars episode 9 a new spark...lol....TLJ holiday is opposite day

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Oh was it then I redact giving him props for such a funny comment, lol.

Seriously though I don't see Holdo's kamikaze right as Luke's saber explodes and the ST Executioner tries to behead Finn ever getting old, and that's without it even being my favorite scene in the movie. That honor goes to Luke and Yoda.

Man i’m blown away that Snoke’s “Fulfill your destiny” speech to Kylo about killing Rey really goes astray for Snoke because it quickly turned into Vader telling Luke in ESB how the emperor has forseen being destroyed by Luke and Vader wanting that to happen so that Luke could join him as father and son.

Kylo actually fulfilled Vader’s ESB wish by killing Snoke!

Man when you start breaking down that “fulfill your destiny” stuff between Snoke/Kylo, Vader/Luke and Emperor/Vader/Luke it gets quite ironically poetic.

I have watched it twice at home also making it my 6th and 7th time. I actually almost enjoy it more at home. If I were to grade it now, TLJ is a solid 8/10. Only time I get taken out of the movie is the Maz scene and Canto Bight but neither of those can take away from the beautiful storytelling that I did not expect but am happy I got. Luke sacrificing his wanting to help his friends (a holdover from his Empire training) and thinking he is doing the best thing to take the Jedi out of the equation so a new Light can spring up. Luke's biggest sacrifice is not doing what he wants to do but secluding himself and letting the Jedi religion die. The Yoda scene is powerful because he really is attempting to make Luke realize what he is doing is the same thing he did before: "All his life as he looks away to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was, what he was doing." Yoda telling Luke that this time the right thing to do is be mindful of the future, but not at the expense of the moment (a lesson from TPM)

I am sorry for those of you who do not like where the story is going. I understand not getting the movie you wanted does sting and seeing Luke as a sad hermit who wants to die is a gut punch. But Luke giving the galaxy a new spark and become a symbol for a new generation to not let the bad guys win is better for myself than seeing Luke be a BA Jedi Master.

Boy did you hit the nail on the head the worst thing about TLJ is that horribly forced Maz scene just horrible.

Every SW movie since ROTJ has had something really bad in it and yes that includes RO.

 

[Prime Clone]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Is it ever directly addressed why Luke is wearing the Jedi robes? Was he really about to jump off the cliff and was wearing them symbolically?

I'm genuinely not sure how anyone at Disney thought the Lone Ranger was a good idea, except perhaps a few septuagenarians.

This quadragenarian (soon to be quinquagenarian) is glad they made it. Just wish HT had gone through with the Ranger figure.

Too bad the western is dead.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Is it ever directly addressed why Luke is wearing the Jedi robes? Was he really about to jump off the cliff and was wearing them symbolically?





This quadragenarian (soon to be quinquagenarian) is glad they made it. Just wish HT had gone through with the Ranger figure.

Too bad the western is dead.

I guess out of respect for the sacred grounds he was living on and for the curator nuns.

But the robe thing has been a mess since its inception into character traits lore.

Obi Wan just picked up the first robe he saw in a dirty bathroom I mean what Jedi hides dressed like a damn jedi lol

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Man i’m blown away that Snoke’s “Fulfill your destiny” speech to Kylo about killing Rey really goes astray for Snoke because it quickly turned into Vader telling Luke in ESB how the emperor has forseen being destroyed by Luke and Vader wanting that to happen so that Luke could join him as father and son.

Kylo actually fulfilled Vader’s ESB wish by killing Snoke!

Man when you start breaking that fulfill your destiny stuff between Snoke/Kylo, Vader/Luke and Emperor/Vader/Luke it gets quite ironically poetic.

Snoke's death is absolutely a contender for best scene in the movie. And yes even the awesome irony of Snoke being skewered by Skywalker's saber moments after mocking Luke for being on the island. It was even Luke's training of Rey on how to channel the Force on that ledge which led her to the underwater cave and the sequential chain of events that resulted in her having his saber in Snoke's throne room in the first place.

Every SW movie since ROTJ has had something really bad in it and yes that includes RO.

RO even has that stupid Walrusman/Dr. Evazan cameo.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Is it ever directly addressed why Luke is wearing the Jedi robes?

No. All we know is that Johnson hated them which is why he immediately had Luke change out of them once the movie started, lol.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Snoke's death is absolutely a contender for best scene in the movie. And yes even the awesome irony of Snoke being skewered by Skywalker's saber moments after mocking Luke for being on the island. It was even Luke's training of Rey on how to channel the Force on that ledge which led her to the underwater cave and the sequential chain of events that resulted in her having his saber in Snoke's throne room in the first place.



RO even has that stupid Walrusman/Dr. Evazan cameo.

With Luke’s saber damn son.

I’m going to finish what you started, yeah no kidding lol

The prism these arcs can be viewed thru are mind boggling.

Wait why do people hate this movie again oh that’s right because of the size of that ladies nose I forgot lol

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Obi Wan just picked up the first robe he saw in a dirty bathroom I mean what Jedi hides dressed like a damn jedi lol

Holy crap.

But yeah Ben was clearly just dressing like a Tatooine native at the time of SW's initial release. I mean he was wearing Owen's outfit covered by a Jawa robe for crying out loud, lol.

 

[crows]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

jye and khev sitting in a tree D E F E N D I N G T L J

 

[cerealkeller]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Is it ever directly addressed why Luke is wearing the Jedi robes? Was he really about to jump off the cliff and was wearing them symbolically?





This quadragenarian (soon to be quinquagenarian) is glad they made it. Just wish HT had gone through with the Ranger figure.

Too bad the western is dead.

In the novelization, Luke says he was preparing to burn the tree down many times and finally got up the nerve to do it only stopping because Rey shows up and hands him his fathers lightsaber. He symbolically was going to burn down the Jedi while wearing his Jedi robes. When Rey leaves, he decides he will burn it down this time no matter what, re-donning the Jedi robes to do so.

 

[TaliBane]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Whereas in SW Leia didn't bat an eye at the 90% Rebel ship casualties at Yavin (27 of the 30 fighters were destroyed) but was crushed at losing the bombers and support fighters in TLJ. A nice parallel to the toll that the losses of war eventually had taken on both leaders.

Perhaps it was because Leia foresaw the fact that the Resistance would literally be down to like five people by the end of TLJ, whereas the Massassi medal ceremony had seemingly hundreds of just pilots alone (and perhaps a couple of thousand soldiers - presumably limited by the number they could fit in the building).

And my interpretation of Mothma's description of Bothans dying is that they were a bit more significant than the poor dude that Cassian offs because he wasn't fast enough.

 

[TaliBane]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Isn't Yoda the one that told Obi-Wan to go into hiding?

And you really think what the world needs today is to see fallen heroes?? Luke is/was a character that never should have fallen. He is the epitome of what Disney should want to convey as proof with their new SW tagline in "Hope". He never gives up and always fights for what he believes in. Something kids today need to see in heroes, not the realism that everyone becomes grumpy old men when life wears them down and things never seem to go as planned. This is fantasy, not reality. We have plenty of that already.

But instead they changed that. Instead Rey is now this character that will be selfless and strong, to show perserverance and to show women are the true strength and men ultimately will always fail. Han falls and goes back to his old ways, Luke falls and gives up and just wants to die, but Leia stays strong and continues the good fight. Even the new characters, Finn falls back to being a coward, Poe is thoughtless/arrogant, Kylo is, well whatever he is but another flawed male....

I really don't understand how any "True" SW fan can defend what Johnson did to Luke's characterization. Whether you accept it or not, enjoy it or not, how can you feel it's the character arc Luke deserved after how he was portrayed in the OT?

The irony is that people seem to want to depict "Luke as broken old man" as if it's some kind of "not what you expect!" thing when the reality is, it's actually the reverse: it's the very first, most obvious thing that would pop into a writer's head if they were pondering "where would Luke be after 30 years?"

He's old, so of course he needs to be broken and waiting for someone young to come and reinvigorate him so he can do something then die - it's been a stock Hollywood mainstay forever: ageism. It's also so funny this "Hamill didn't like it because he thought he would still be Luke the hero" idea - the subtext being "didn't he understand that he's OLD?"

What's sad is that Hamill proved them wrong - that slimmed down and with many years under his belt, he actually kicked ass on the big screen, and could have been a solid co-lead of a movie as a resurgent Luke. We'll never know what story could have been told involving Luke and Han as co-leads, driving the story (even with the Luke training Han/Leia's son story that the ST treats as brief flashbacks,) instead of the lugubrious, low-wattage tedium of the Rey saga.

 

[crows]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

The irony is that people seem to want to depict "Luke as broken old man" as if it's some kind of "not what you expect!" thing when the reality is, it's actually the reverse: it's the very first, most obvious thing that would pop into a writer's head if they were pondering "where would Luke be after 30 years?"

He's old, so of course he needs to be broken and waiting for someone young to come and reinvigorate him so he can do something then die - it's been a stock Hollywood mainstay forever: ageism. It's also so funny this "Hamill didn't like it because he thought he would still be Luke the hero" idea - the subtext being "didn't he understand that he's OLD?"

What's sad is that Hamill proved them wrong - that slimmed down and with many years under his belt, he actually kicked ass on the big screen, and could have been a solid co-lead of a movie as a resurgent Luke. We'll never know what story could have been told involving Luke and Han as co-leads, driving the story (even with the Luke training Han/Leia's son story that the ST treats as brief flashbacks,) instead of the lugubrious, low-wattage tedium of the Rey saga.

and JJ did NOT do this because Han Solo was basically the same. his age did not matter that much

he was still working doing what he liked and he was with Chewie and he was still the same Han. Even Leia was not that different really.

At the end of Force Awakens Luke seemed to be in good shape. I didnt get the feeling he was old and broken and beaten down.

Han Solo proves that JJ Abrams had more respect for these characters and that being old did not matter. Rian Jhonson came and literally destroyed Luke.

even Obi wan was not a bitter old broken man in A New Hope..... even thought Vader betrayed him and all the jedi died, Obi Wan was a wise calm older man that was teaching luke and had a second fight with vader.

you are correct. how can anyone defend this? oh my god... If it was up to Rian Jhonson, Han Solo would have been already in a wheelchair or something... or with an Oxygen tank... what a stupid person

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

In the novelization, Luke says he was preparing to burn the tree down many times and finally got up the nerve to do it only stopping because Rey shows up and hands him his fathers lightsaber. He symbolically was going to burn down the Jedi while wearing his Jedi robes. When Rey leaves, he decides he will burn it down this time no matter what, re-donning the Jedi robes to do so.

I like that explanation quite a bit.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

The irony is that people seem to want to depict "Luke as broken old man" as if it's some kind of "not what you expect!" thing when the reality is, it's actually the reverse: it's the very first, most obvious thing that would pop into a writer's head if they were pondering "where would Luke be after 30 years?"

He's old, so of course he needs to be broken and waiting for someone young to come and reinvigorate him so he can do something then die - it's been a stock Hollywood mainstay forever: ageism. It's also so funny this "Hamill didn't like it because he thought he would still be Luke the hero" idea - the subtext being "didn't he understand that he's OLD?"

What's sad is that Hamill proved them wrong - that slimmed down and with many years under his belt, he actually kicked ass on the big screen, and could have been a solid co-lead of a movie as a resurgent Luke. We'll never know what story could have been told involving Luke and Han as co-leads, driving the story (even with the Luke training Han/Leia's son story that the ST treats as brief flashbacks,) instead of the lugubrious, low-wattage tedium of the Rey saga.

and JJ did NOT do this because Han Solo was basically the same. his age did not matter that much

he was still working doing what he liked and he was with Chewie and he was still the same Han. Even Leia was not that different really.

At the end of Force Awakens Luke seemed to be in good shape. I didnt get the feeling he was old and broken and beaten down.

Han Solo proves that JJ Abrams had more respect for these characters and that being old did not matter. Rian Jhonson came and literally destroyed Luke.

even Obi wan was not a bitter old broken man in A New Hope..... even thought Vader betrayed him and all the jedi died, Obi Wan was a wise calm older man that was teaching luke and had a second fight with vader.

you are correct. how can anyone defend this? oh my god... If it was up to Rian Jhonson, Han Solo would have been already in a wheelchair or something... or with an Oxygen tank... what a stupid person

Wow how exciting Han and Luke both exactly the same and retracing their steps from the OT.

If I want to watch that version of those characters i’ll just put on the OT thank you very much.