Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

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Where was Jake Lloyd's voice at the end?

"You can do it Rey."

"These are your final steps."

"A thousand generations are now in you."

"Are you an angel?"

"Anakin no!"

lol

lulz

Oh man can you imagine if Jar Jar heads were in the cloning tubes at Palpatine planet.

Palpatine should?ve created a clone Jedi council lol



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So wont the real Emperor Palpatine please stand up?

Pleas stand up?

Please stand up?

iu



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I just have to say it, but did anyone get the feels during the Harrison Ford cameo in his BvS-esque convo with Kylo? In a way, it sort of brought me peace to Solo’s death in TFA, that he held no ill will towards his son. Especially with the way Kylo choked up and said “Dad...,” still wanting his help, and the way Solo replied, “I know.” To me, it felt like he was acknowledging that he knew that what Kylo did in TFA wasn”t really what he wanted to do, especially when Kylo immediately recited the same line of “I know what I have to do but I don”t know if I have the strength to do it,” and Han simply replied “Yeah, you do.”

It’s as if they were replaying their convo from TFA, but also continuing it at the same time, and Kylo ultimately did what everyone thought he was actually referring to in TFA. Campy as it may sound, but still a moving moment between a father and a son with a father who still didn’t give up on his son despite what he did. As I’m certain any father would likely relate to. Admittedly, the only time I almost choked up during the film.

I was having a convo about it tonight with family who had also seen the film, so I just had to get that off of my chest. :lol
 
Just got back from seeing it a second time and I enjoyed it even more. I noticed so many little things earlier in the film that knowing the end I missed the first time.
 
Same here. It seemed to flow a little better the second time. It helps that I went in with a "who cares if it connects to the other movies" attitude. :lol
 
We had like 7 1/2 hours of material for the trilogy and they spent maybe 20 mins of it on the actual plot... It's so stupid... So glad this Trilogy is over and I can now pretend it never happened... (cue music from Dallas)

Just think of it as the SW version of the "Kelvin" timeline...that was JJ's excuse for butchering the canon of ST.
 
I guess one person's fun theorizing is another's hurt brain. :D

To me the whole trilogy really does work out now.

1. Rey is a Palpatine unceremoniously disposed on Jakku by her parents to get her as far off the Emperor's radar as possible. Circumstances were so dire that they could guarantee very little of her safety beyond simply hiding her away.

2. Palps wanted a new Force sensitive body where he could transfer his consciousness and power of all the Sith but he couldn't find Rey so used a created proxy (Snoke) as a placeholder figure head of his new Empire with Ben Solo serving double duty as his main henchman and also sweet revenge by corrupting the family of his hated enemies. Since Snoke was just a puppet the "only two" rule of murdering your master and then being possessed by their spirit didn't apply.

3. Palps possibly created Starkiller Base as a red herring to divert all Republic/Resistance/Jedi attention to a single place far from his new super fleet and body. He may have even anticipated it being destroyed just so that he could laugh when he then obliterates hundreds of Star Systems at once while the Rebels are celebrating.

4. Once Palps (as Snoke) learned of Rey he fell into his usual routine of playing both sides against each other and instructing one side (Kylo) to kill the other (Rey.) This was for his own amusement but also as a test to see who would win or whether they'd join together. If they join then he can suck their power and essentially restore his own body (which obviously ended up happening) and if one kills the other then he just takes the body of the winner.

5. His downfall of course is that once he was fully restored it then became a straight power vs. power fight of all the Jedi vs. all the Sith that ended in a stalemate with both Palps and Rey killing each other.

6. Both dead, Palps is gone for good while Rey gets restored by Ben who transfers his life and takes her place in death.

The specifics of Palpatine's Sith magic that allowed him to live on and return are of course not fully spelled out (other than it being an "unnatural" process) but I'm okay with it. I guess I like the double layer approach where on the surface it's just a straight story about a small group of good guys who must overcome the manipulative sorcerer overlord (which I know general audiences are fine with and couldn't care less about any specifics beyond that) while us old school crazies can speculate and connect dots as to what was "really" going on with a couple of those key scenarios. That's all part of the fun for me (in case you hadn't noticed, lol) and I really do think that they did an admirable job of providing a strong enough through line that does seem to be for the most part logical and internally consistent.

Everyone's mileage will vary on that of course.

The overriding issue for me is that this all feels super dense and intellectual. And more importantly, even though it's the same beats (its a familiar bloodline of power trope) as presented it's oddly disconnected from an emotional/personal journey of growth like what Luke goes on in in the OT, mostly because there's no Ben or Yoda to explain it to Rey (and us) ahead of time - and thereby build it up. It's told then - boom - we're there.

A couple of basic points to clarify first:

The idea of "group possession" - so, as I understand it, the Sith (thousands of individuals over centuries) are like a whole linear "human centipede of evil" that all now reside in Palps. They are all living/active in him as both individual identities and as a mass identity. e.g. "individually" Qui Gonn is one of the voices that speaks up to inspire Rey, therefore a specific Sith lord spirit might similarly try to address/influence Palps.

And so if he were to be "struck down" by Rey (if he's indeed "alive" - even that's unclear,) Palps would simply become yet another Sith in the huge crowd residing within Empress Rey wouldn't he?

On the good/Jedi side, Rey is different - she's her own person but who kinda gets "group hugged" (in effect filling her up so Palps gets the "no room at the inn" sign if he tries to "enter" her) at the climactic moment by lots of dead Jedi spirits. Some of whom were force ghosts and "lived on" but also others who simply died (but somehow their spirits lived on to speak to her in the same way Ben K spoke to Luke in ANH)? So the force ghost thing isn't necessary for deceased Jedi to speak to the living, like they do to Rey?

And to Palps - what do we see in TROS?

Is he the living person named Palps we saw in ROTJ who somehow survived (now older and crumbling away,) or a clone of that deceased person (which might have Palps' "spirit/persona" the way a clone in a sci-fi movie would have a replication of the original persona,) or a soulless clone "meat puppet" animated by Palps' spectral identity - which may be just his evil mind/spirit, or combined with thousands of other deceased Sith?

Just trying to establish basics.
 
There are like 4 people in this thread alone whose headcanon holds more weight to me than the KennedyFilm Story Murderers.
 
I just have to say it, but did anyone get the feels during the Harrison Ford cameo in his BvS-esque convo with Kylo? In a way, it sort of brought me peace to Solo?s death in TFA, that he held no ill will towards his son. Especially with the way Kylo choked up and said ?Dad...,? still wanting his help, and the way Solo replied, ?I know.? To me, it felt like he was acknowledging that he knew that what Kylo did in TFA wasn?t really what he wanted to do, especially when Kylo immediately recited the same line of ?I know what I have to do but I don?t know if I have the strength to do it,? and Han simply replied ?Yeah, you do.?

It?s as if they were replaying their convo from TFA, but also continuing it at the same time, and Kylo ultimately did what everyone thought he was actually referring to in TFA. Campy as it may sound, but still a moving moment between a father and a son with a father who still didn?t give up on his son despite what he did. As I?m certain any father would likely relate to. Admittedly, the only time I almost choked up during the film.

I was having a convo about it tonight with family who had also seen the film, so I just had to get that off of my chest. :lol

I had the feeling that he was reliving that moment wishing he had done it that way rather than what happened im TFA.

And that perhaps he had been feeling that way all along. But that voice in his head made him choose differently.


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The movie was fun.

But without Olympic class mental gymnastics it unravels everything.

Mysteries and unanswered questions are fun. BIG Contradictions... how disappointing.

For me:

A+ for individual scenes and heart, acting, music, FX.

C as a movie altogether. The good points are as good as the bad points are bad.

F- for continuity logic and as a saga ending.
 
Don't know why, but publisher managed to break the consistency of Visual Dictionaries. TFA and TLJ are the standart format. With TROS, they changed to Solo format which is more square.
Now, visual dictionaries of ST doesn't have a uniform design.
 
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