Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[SvenDokki]

Yeah Disney+ might be the only one willing to take Boyega after this fiasco.

 

[abake]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-writer-sets-record-straight-perceived-last-jedi-jabs-1265168

Good read, thanks.

 

[Neal136]

Here are the films that made more than a billion this year:

1 Avengers: Endgame $2,797,800,564
2 The Lion King $1,656,713,458
3 Frozen II $1,217,590,889
4 Spider-Man: Far from Home $1,131,927,996
5 Captain Marvel $1,128,274,794
6 Toy Story 4 $1,073,394,593
7 Joker $1,062,994,002
8 Aladdin $1,050,693,953

What's insane is, besides Joker, that's all Disney. Yeah, Sony gets credit for FFH, but everyone knows Disney actually made that one too.

One thing I need to point out again after reading nearly 60 pages in this thread is the "Force dyad" between Rey and Kylo, especially when it comes to Force healing. I think the reason they're both able to do that may have to do with the dyad, because again, that's the specific power that revives Palpatine's physical form, and it's an action that he wasn't even aware was possible. I know that Baby Yoda shows us the ability to heal through the Force, and that takes place years before Rey and Kylo, but we have no evidence of it working before that. It can look like a plot hole that none of the other Jedi beforehand used this technique in situations where it definitely would've benefitted them (in previous films), but maybe they just weren't capable of it? Of course, I really don't know, but I think the dyad explains some of the amped up powers of the two.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Nope it was a 59% drop. Day to day box office has been quite strong and continues to be higher than TLJ.

So the news was wrong?

It was on our (LA's) local news this morning which is generally very safe and middle of the road; never takes a side.

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

Good read, thanks.

No problem, I thought it was interesting as well.

 

[Prime Clone]

Okay, a-dev, now that you've answered the Palpatine lightning self-assassination conundrum, take a crack at these:

1.) If the Sith Fleet of death star destroyers can't navigate out of Exogol without a navigation tower signal, how did the Resistance ships navigate out?

2.) If there are only two wayfinders to Exogol, and one nav tower to get out, how were all of the supplies and manpower getting to and from there?

3.) How did Leia know that Rey was a Palpatine? Jedi have the ability to sense someone's lineage now? That would've come in handy when Vader was interrogating Leia in ANH.

4.) If Palpatine created Snoke, and possessed that body with his spirit, what happened to Palpatine's spirit when Snoke was killed? Shouldn't it inhabit the one who "strikes him down?"

5.) When Palpatine was Snoke, his powers were overwhelming Rey. Snoke outmatched her, read her mind, and made her look foolish. So, what does Palpatine need Rey for?

6.) How do the FO TIE Fighters follow Poe's "lightspeed skipping" in real time? How could they possibly know his jump coordinates that quickly?

7.) Is Force lightning something that gets inherited now? It's not something you need to learn how to manifest? Does that mean that Rey is a Sith by birth?

8.) How did all of the planet-hopping adventures happen in the 16-hour timeframe that was given in the movie?

9.) How could Lando possibly recruit and gather that many ships from around the galaxy in much less than 16 hours?

10.) If the Resistance ships were following Rey's signal to R2-D2, how did Lando's Fleet get there afterwards?

11.) Why didn't the Resistance ships fall to the ground (while in Exogol's atmosphere) after Palpatine disabled them?

12.) How did Rey and Kylo know about Force healing and resurrection, but Anakin - under 10-year tutelage of the Jedi council, and with the Jedi library at his disposal - was never aware of it?

13.) How could Palpatine not know about Rey and Kylo's "Force dyad" connection? Wasn't he Snoke? Wasn't he aware of bridging their minds?

14.) How did Rey sense Chewbacca on the star destroyer, but Kylo couldn't sense Rey (his "Force dyad" partner) there when the two of them simply swapped locations?

15.) When Palpatine drained Rey and Ben, and no longer needed either one of them, why flick Ben into a pit and do nothing to Rey? Why not Force choke both?

16.) How did the KOR know that he was Ben not Kylo, and just started attacking him? And why didn't Ben use the Force to subdue them?

17.) If Palpatine could get in Kylo's head to manipulate him from anywhere, couldn't he have done the same with Rey (his own grandaughter) all along?

18.) Did Palpatine know that Leia was going to keep Kylo from killing Rey? It seems that risking it otherwise would've been pretty dumb.

19.) If Luke was looking for a wayfinder with Lando, why didn't Anakin's ghost tell his son about Vader's wayfinder on Mustafar (the one that Kylo took)?

20.) What was Palpatine hoping for when he was Snoke and put Rey was her knees at Kylo's mercy? Did Palps want Rey dead, or want Kylo to kill Snoke? Either way, how does that line up or make any sense?

21.) How did any aspect of Palpatine survive the DS2 explosion? Was the real him on Exogol the whole time?

22.) Where did Kylo find a functioning OT TIE Fighter to get off the Endor moon? And how did it have a hyperdrive?

I got carried away (sorry ). I have to stop there since it's kickoff time. But, a-dev, if you want more, I could probably come up with another twenty. TROS is the nonsense gift that keeps on giving.

I admit that some of these are very minor and trivial (and perfectly forgivable); they're no different than the same type of nonsense in every SW movie. But some are true head-scratchers that become plot holes. In totality, TROS is in a league of its own when it comes to curious logic.

The ST will be forgiven for all this and more. But a little shoddy directing and dialog in the PT? Insta-fail.

 

[jye4ever]

Wor-Gar was wondering if TROS will beat Frozen 2. Definitely not a guarantee since it would have to hold strong for several more weeks but it does have little in the way of new release competition.

Here are the films that made more than a billion this year:

1 Avengers: Endgame$2,797,800,564
2The Lion King$1,656,713,458
3Frozen II$1,217,590,889
4Spider-Man: Far from Home$1,131,927,996
5Captain Marvel$1,128,274,794
6Toy Story 4$1,073,394,593
7Joker$1,062,994,002
8Aladdin$1,050,693,953

TLJ made 1.3 billion so passing Frozen 2 is definitely a possibility. I hope it can at least pass Captain Marvel, lol.

That is amazing

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[TaliBane]

***** Walrus and Luke fisherman two pack, with milking action! Move over kung fu G.I. Joe...

 

[ironwez20]

So anakin could of easily healed his burns? Since he was so powerful. Why didn?t he

 

[Neal136]

So the news was wrong?

It was on our (LA's) local news this morning which is generally very safe and middle of the road; never takes a side.

Yes … it was wrong.
It made $177.4 million its opening weekend and $72.4 million this past weekend. That's a 59% drop.

 

[TaliBane]

Just heard that TROS dropped 71% in its 2nd weekend. Not promising.

Whether it was 60% or 70% it joined the "dropped by over $100 million from opening weekend to second weekend" club. But hey - some of the biggest blockbusters in history are on that list.

The distributor wisdom seems to be that it will approx match TLJ across the board - both domestic and worldwide. Which is still $1.3-1.4B dollars.

However - that performance destroys the comparison of TFA = ANH, TLJ = ESB in terms of box office (as an explanation for TLJ's drop from TFA) because ROTJ made a lot more than ESB, a bit over halfway back toward ANH. By that comp, TROS should have made $1.7B.

Well, like the movie, that answer is a mixed bag. I was enjoying the first half, then everything went wonky for me. I don't think the 2nd half is necessarily worse than the first half, its likely I had a certain amount of tolerance and that it just got chipped away and finally I ran out halfway through.

As I said though, despite its problems, I do believe it is the BEST (and most re-watchable) of the ST.

Yeah, I was genuinely shocked to be engaged at all, and without a doubt this is the only ST movie I could sit through again. Even though Exogol was basically a traffic jam of ajp's list (there was SO little that made sense in the last third of this movie) I enjoyed seeing McDiarmid and Palps back.

Pulpy Palpy is a weak cousin to ROTJ Palps (which was a triumph of make-up and preformance) but I still liked the whole Sith temple/crane arm/meat puppet aspect. Will make a cool "oddity" HT figure.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Yes … it was wrong.
It made $177.4 million its opening weekend and $72.4 million this past weekend. That's a 59% drop.

Guess KTLA got their 71% drop number from Forbes:

Disney and Lucasfilm's Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker earned $26.2 million on Friday, soaring past $300 million in North America and $600 million worldwide. The film fell 71% from its $90 million Friday, which is neither an emergency nor an exceptionally good hold.

 

[Khev]

Friday vs. Friday drops is just clickbait. All that matters are the weekend to weekend tallies.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Friday vs. Friday drops is just clickbait. All that matters are the weekend to weekend tallies.

And soon, all that will matter is the total.

 

[ajp4mgs]

One thing I need to point out again after reading nearly 60 pages in this thread is the "Force dyad" between Rey and Kylo, especially when it comes to Force healing. I think the reason they're both able to do that may have to do with the dyad, because again, that's the specific power that revives Palpatine's physical form, and it's an action that he wasn't even aware was possible. I know that Baby Yoda shows us the ability to heal through the Force, and that takes place years before Rey and Kylo, but we have no evidence of it working before that. It can look like a plot hole that none of the other Jedi beforehand used this technique in situations where it definitely would've benefitted them (in previous films), but maybe they just weren't capable of it? Of course, I really don't know, but I think the dyad explains some of the amped up powers of the two.

If being a Force dyad is what gives Rey her healing powers, her connection to Kylo was already built by the end of TFA. It would've been a nice time to use that healing ability when she held Finn after he was sliced in the back by Kylo's saber and rendered unconscious.

Rey had already instinctively used the Jedi mind trick, done a Force grab of the lightsber, and beat Kylo in a ls duel by that point. Yet the healing power was reserved for Kylo . . . and a giant underground serpent. Poor Finn.

 

[Khev]

I can attribute her instinctual Force abilities to her inborn Sith heritage while the Jedi-specific powers weren't learned until after studying the ancient texts.

 

[TaliBane]

Friday vs. Friday drops is just clickbait. All that matters are the weekend to weekend tallies.

Well, TROS opened on (and continues to play on) almost 200 more screens than TLJ did. TLJ's opening weekend per-screen average was 25% higher than TROS.

So the fact that TROS opened $43m lower than TLJ is a bit more significant given that advantage. The story is the same internationally - where in a number of key markets it opened about 20%-25% below TLJ despite being on more screens.

I'd also argue that TROS has had the advantage of Disney marketing's attempt to link TROS to the OT (complete with a couple of trailers that were 50% OT footage) and the whole "a finale 42 years in the making"

TLJ was trading solely on being a part of the ST, though being the follow-up to the highest grossing film of all time is major. Even though obviously TROS still has that association.

 

[Captain Clown]

Well, like the movie, that answer is a mixed bag. I was enjoying the first half, then everything went wonky for me. I don't think the 2nd half is necessarily worse than the first half, its likely I had a certain amount of tolerance and that it just got chipped away and finally I ran out halfway through.

As I said though, despite its problems, I do believe it is the BEST (and most re-watchable) of the ST.

Yeah I agree - it's my favorite of the ST too. It was okay. I watched TFA on a plane recently and it was a little better than I remember, but the pacing is so fast. I really want to watch TLJ sometime this weekend to see if it's somehow enhanced by TROS. Have you seen Logan Lucky yet?

 

[ajp4mgs]

I can attribute her instinctual Force abilities to her inborn Sith heritage while the Jedi-specific powers weren't learned until after studying the ancient texts.

Wouldn't those texts have been the foundation for the lessons taught by the Jedi Order from that point forward? How was the lesson on "Force healing" or "Force resurrection" not something that was passed down as the Order evolved? By the time of the PT, Anakin (and all eventual Jedi) would've been taught Jedi lessons that evolved from those early origins. Or, did he just fall asleep in class that day? Stupid Anakin.

 

[TaliBane]

Yeah I agree - it's my favorite of the ST too. It was okay. I watched TFA on a plane recently and it was a little better than I remember, but the pacing is so fast. I really want to watch TLJ sometime this weekend to see if it's somehow enhanced by TROS.

Well, at least we now know that in TLJ Luke has the option of flying his x-wing to Crait instead of going with his holo-projector "humiliate Kylo virtually while committing suicide" plan.