Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

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Hooooleeeee crap.....

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"With all due respect, Master, is he not the Chosen One? Is he not to destroy the Sith and bring Balance to the Force??

"Destroy the Sith AND bring Balance to the Force."

We always connect those as if they are all part of the same action.

What if "destroying the Sith" is simply its own thing? Namely killing Palpatine, which he did by himself in ROTJ and then again with all the Jedi in TROS.

AND bring Balance to the Force, another *unrelated* action entirely?? Namely resurrecting a girl through his direct heir, leaving one single remaining Jedi with both Palpatine blood and Skywalker midichlorians?? BALANCE. :panic:

Man good stuff!

So while revisiting TLJ tonight the Snoke dialogue sticks out more since that is a Palpatine controlled surrogate.

He mocks Kylo by telling Rey in front of Kylo that she has the spirit of a true Jedi.

Holy crap that connects perfectly with Rey literally connecting with the spirits in TROS.

I also take him saying a true Jedi as in celebrating her sith connection which is what he views as a proper true Jedi.



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No. I'm watching Luke die on a rock right now. :lol

I still like his force projection trick, but hate that death. It's like he chose to die. Yes the effort to perform the projection physically drained him, but if he can climb onto the rock and sits perfectly upright afterwards, it apparently wasn't fatal. Setting aside the fact that I'd have preferred a different exit for Luke entirely, that still could have been done better.
 
Wait is RO?s greatness in question?

What they did in one film is outstanding.

I actually consider RO the best of Disney SW to date.




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Nope.. I was just commenting that I liked the final Space battle in ROTJ and the Asteroid chase in ESB more than the final Space battle in RO.
 
I still like his force projection trick, but hate that death. It's like he chose to die. Yes the effort to perform the projection physically drained him, but if he can climb onto the rock and sits perfectly upright afterwards, it apparently wasn't fatal. Setting aside the fact that I'd have preferred a different exit for Luke entirely, that still could have been done better.

Everything was pure cringe. The Rose kiss/ suicide attempt, Luke's little barrel looking upper body and skinny old man legs, Poe and like five other rebels just watching instead of looking for a way out, the Kylo Luke "fight", Rey lifting those CGI rocks that looked lighter than cotton balls. It's
 
Man good stuff!

So while revisiting TLJ tonight the Snoke dialogue sticks out more since that is a Palpatine controlled surrogate.

He mocks Kylo by telling Rey in front of Kylo that she has the spirit of a true Jedi.

Holy crap that connects perfectly with Rey literally connecting with the spirits in TROS.

I also take him saying a true Jedi as in celebrating her sith connection which is what he views as a proper true Jedi.

Wow he did say that didn't he.

Also in thinking of all the Jedi channeling their power through Rey that means that each Jedi that we watched die on screen from Qui Gon to Mace to Ben got to have a direct hand in putting him down. A true comeuppance. You know Mace in particular must have enjoyed that, lol.

I also watched ESB again this week with the full events of the ST in mind and even though it pertains only to TLJ and not TROS it's now very easy to recontextualize the "future" that Yoda saw in ESB.

"If you end your training now, if you choose the quick and easy path as Vader did, you will become an agent of evil." Well we never saw Luke become an agent of evil so it turned out that Yoda was wrong. Or was he? Perhaps he saw a butterfly effect of Luke prematurely running off to Cloud City that ended with this:

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And even though that moment lasted only a split second it was long enough for him to be a true instrument of Palpatine in giving Ben that final push that he needed. Yoda saw that, didn't really understand the context at the time, and tried to warn Luke away from it.

Palpatine's ultimate revenge. He knew that Luke defeated him with the help of his family so in order to properly return he'd need to separate Luke from his family while simultaneously creating his own, flipping the script (no pun intended) to ensure victory.

And a-dev if you're reading I did think of something else pretty major while watching ESB that relates directly to your feeling that the ST doesn't justify its own existence. And to that I'll offer this: In the 90's Star Wars Insider interviewed Irvin Kershner who stated that he thought that one SW film was enough for him to direct and that he'd set the characters up enough to continue on in the Saga without him which is why he declined George's offer to direct ROTJ. A decision he later regretted when he saw how "easy" their challenges in ROTJ were and how the heroes seemingly "coasted through every encounter."

You see ESB was supposed to be the beginning of a long, hard road to victory. A victory that wouldn't truly come until *four films* later. And I get having grown up with ROTJ being the feel good light hearted victory movie and liking that everything wrapped up super clean with a nice little ribbon on top. But that wasn't the planned path when ESB was made. I mean nothing about ESB (if you can try to ignore knowledge of ROTJ) suggests that the Rebels are just one quick battle away from winning the entire war.

But a tri-level battle at Endor, then years of clean up (as chronicled now in Mando) before one last resurgence of true evil that forces almost every main hero to face their greatest fears, make the ultimate sacrifices, while still in the end achieving ultimate sustainable victory does for me finally feel like a journey worthy of the one that began in ESB. Yes ANH was the true beginning of course but ESB was when **** got real.

In a way I'm glad that there was such a long gap between the OT and the ST now because if they stuck with the three years between films and Episode VII came out in 1986 and then you had Han or other main characters dying then it'd just feel like none of them ever got a break from all the grueling battles. So I like that as Luke says in TLJ "for years there was balance" where we can assume that all the warm fuzzies of that Endor celebration did continue for years on end before things got tough again with Ben Solo's turning.
 
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It is the battle we wished we got in 1983, as several people here have put it. Of course the effects are better in 2016, and of course it is topping what had been done in 1983, but it does it so well and adds some genuine military "strategy" and suspense to an otherwise busy pinball machine of a battle in 1983.

AND RO gives us an extra middle ground battle: an atmospheric dogfight battle against fighters and walkers in the skies overhead besides the epic battle in space amongst star destroyers AND the battle in the "trees" between soldiers.



My inner child will never forget that. Never. It will always mean more to me... but I still have to give it to RO. Besides, the ANH trench run is more like a small assault (like in RO on that rainy platform) as opposed to a massive space battle.

ROTJ has the distinction to finally give audiences the ultimate space spectacle that the name "Star Wars" promised.

Clearly RO has the advantage of time. If intent was the finish line, then ROTJ would win. I guess my finish line here is in realization.

Yeah, I mostly agree with that, and I do love the RO battle - I've watched it a number of times - and how it's a three-tiered battle (and the working in of the old footage was such an inspired idea.)

But I just think that the ROTJ battle - in addition to a feeling of greater stakes and fun like Ackbar (he's iconic now but what a huge risk that character must have been) - also has an amazing score. The music around Ackbar's "may the force be with us" moment and the earlier "assembling the fleet" imagery I think are some of JW's best SW scoring pieces ever. That helps majorly, and we can only imagine what opera JW would have turned that RO battle into.

And I wouldn't agree with the busy pinball machine thing - other than the first shot of all the fighters (which isn't great) I actually think the shot design in that ROTJ space battle is some of the best ever filmed - just gorgeous sweeping shots showing the massive scale and detail of the big ships, and clever usage of the various fighters in attack sequences. Even in performance - BDW and Wedge, Nien Nunb and Ackbar, are all great.
 
Wow he did say that didn't he.

Also in thinking of all the Jedi channeling their power through Rey that means that each Jedi that we watched die on screen from Qui Gon to Mace to Ben got to have a direct hand in putting him down. A true comeuppance. You know Mace in particular must have enjoyed that, lol.

I also watched ESB again this week with the full events of the ST in mind and even though it pertains only to TLJ and not TROS it's now very easy to recontextualize the "future" that Yoda saw in ESB.

"If you end your training now, if you choose the quick and easy path as Vader did, you will become an agent of evil." Well we never saw Luke become an agent of evil so it turned out that Yoda was wrong. Or was he? Perhaps he saw a butterfly effect of Luke prematurely running off to Cloud City that ended with this:

hqdefault.jpg


And even though that moment lasted only a split second it was long enough for him to be a true instrument of Palpatine in giving Ben that final push that he needed. Yoda saw that, didn't really understand the context at the time, and tried to warn Luke away from it.

Palpatine's ultimate revenge. He knew that Luke defeated him with the help of his family so in order to properly return he'd need to separate Luke from his family while simultaneously creating his own, flipping the script (no pun intended) to ensure victory.

And a-dev if you're reading I did think of something else pretty major while watching ESB that relates directly to your feeling that the ST doesn't justify its own existence. And to that I'll offer this: In the 90's Star Wars Insider interviewed Irvin Kershner who stated that he thought that one SW film was enough for him to direct and that he'd set the characters up enough to continue on in the Saga without him which is why he declined George's offer to direct ROTJ. A decision he later regretted when he saw how "easy" their challenges in ROTJ were and how the heroes seemingly "coasted through every encounter."

You see ESB was supposed to be the beginning of a long, hard road to victory. A victory that wouldn't truly come until *four films* later. And I get having grown up with ROTJ being the feel good light hearted victory movie and liking that everything wrapped up super clean with a nice little ribbon on top. But that wasn't the planned path when ESB was made. I mean nothing about ESB (if you can try to ignore knowledge of ROTJ) suggests that the Rebels are just one quick battle away from winning the entire war.

But a tri-level battle at Endor, then years of clean up (as chronicled now in Mando) before one last resurgence of true evil that forces almost every main hero to face their greatest fears, make the ultimate sacrifices, while still in the end achieving ultimate sustainable victory does for me finally feel like a journey worthy of the one that began in ESB. Yes ANH was the true beginning of course but ESB was when **** got real.

In a way I'm glad that there was such a long gap between the OT and the ST now because if they stuck with the three years between films and Episode VII came out in 1986 and then you had Han or other main characters dying then it'd just feel like none of them ever got a break from all the grueling battles. So I like that as Luke says in TLJ "for years there was balance" where we can assume that all the warm fuzzies of that Endor celebration did continue for years on end before things got tough again with Ben Solo's turning.

Nice read!

You know in one way the TLJ Throne room scene doesn?t quite match TROS saying that Snoke is just a Palpatine puppet but honestly like anything else with SW it can be interpreted to match my needs lol

Snoke tells Rey that because she has the true spirit of a Jedi she must die.

Didn?t Palpatine want her alive.

My head hurts lol


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Damn. So you?ll just eat rancid meat as long as it has a Star Wars logo on it lol

But rancid SW won?t put me in the emergency room :thwak

That being said I cringe alot with the PT lol

I?m being completely honest when I say that while the ST has just as many imperfections as the PT does I have never truly cringed while watching the ST that doesn?t mean I like everything about them.

But I did laugh my ass off with Rose ramming Finn lol


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It?s amazing when you see the parallels between Star Wars and major religions.

Cult status, persecution, elevation to religion, prophets, disciples and heretics, apocryphal materials, schisms, sub-sects, apostasy, everyone adhering to their version of the ?truth? ... and no shortage of blind-ass faith.

[emoji50]

Mind blown.


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Rots anakin is popular. Hot toys anakin sold out everywhere

I'll take your word on that. To be fair, I blame GL more than HC for what in my opinion is the worst main character in all three trilogies (that being young adult Anakin). The lines GL wrote for him (as well as Padme & others) were consistently cringeworthy, but even so I think the role required someone with more range than what HC could provide. That failure ultimately falls on the person who cast him in the role.
 
Nice read!

You know in one way the TLJ Throne room scene doesn?t quite match TROS saying that Snoke is just a Palpatine puppet but honestly like anything else with SW it can be interpreted to match my needs lol

Snoke tells Rey that because she has the true spirit of a Jedi she must die.

Didn?t Palpatine want her alive.

My head hurts lol

Yeah we can just write it off as an inconsistency (which it is since we know that RJ didn't intend for Snoke to be a Palpatine puppet then again he didn't intend for Snoke to be anything, lol) or we can forgive it and use our head canon to connect the dots just like we did for the retcons of Anakin's identity and Leia's relationship to Luke.

So we can say that Palpatine *was* reading Ben's mind and *knew* that he was going to murder Snoke and therefore preserve Rey. Because really how could Ben have turned the saber on Snoke mindlessly, lol. Palpatine saw his intent and said "you want to kill my puppet and then bring the girl to me later sure go right ahead," especially if it leads to Rey being turned and joining his new apprentice.
 
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