Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Username]

Yes death in quotes since it's handled a little differently when it comes to Jedi. And yes I noticed Luke's Fabio hair in TROS too, lol.

It had a kind of a straight vermicelli pasta pad look.

Looks like Luke's wig was made by the same team that made the HT Chewbacca...

BS

In the dialogue right before this he specifically mentions training Jedi for 800 years and how he had a council.

this one, a long time have I watched, all his life, as he looked away, to the future, the horizon

Could mean any one of his students in those 800 years, from Obi-Wan to Anakin himself. Before TLJ, you would never interrupt that he was watching Luke grow up. It was always meant to be interrupted as a student Yoda had that Luke relates to. Yoda even looks up to Ben as he says this and Ben is constantly reminding Yoda that he was once like Luke as well as a green, impatient youth.

I'm not being a sequel apologist, but you have gotten that part of TESB wrong.
Yoda's line is precisely saying he has been watching luke from afar. There can be no other interpretation(And i hope this doesn't sound confrontational). It doesn't say he projected himself to Tattooine. In fact, i always interpreted it to be similar to when Luke has the premonition of Han being tortured, and asks Yoda: "Will they die?", and Yoda closes his eyes(Casting his mind into the future and to Bespin), and says: "Difficult to see. Always in motion, the future is". In that, i always assumed Yoda say EXACTLY how it would go. He saw that Luke was going to go and save them, but learn the truth about Vader, and get his hand chopped off.
But getting back to your original statement, Luke says he is ready to be trained and yoda replies:

Ready, are you? What know you of ready? For 800 years have I trained Jedi. My own counsel will I keep on who is to be trained! A Jedi must have the deepest commitment, the most serious mind. This one, a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away to the future, the horizon. Never his mind on where he was [pokes Luke]. Hmm? What he was doing. [paces around] Adventure. Heh! Excitement. A Jedi craves not these things. [turns to Luke and points with his walking stick] You are reckless!

When he mentions "having a counsel", he is referring to "keeping his own counsel", and saying his opinion is the only one that matters on who he will take on for training. He's not referring to serving on the Jedi counsel.
Also, his comments about adventure and excitement are all about Luke and his "looking off to the sunset", wanting more than he had in ANH.

 

[jye4ever]

Oh man this is going to get good lol


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[abake]

Looks like Luke's wig was made by the same team that made the HT Chewbacca...



I'm not being a sequel apologist, but you have gotten that part of TESB wrong.
Yoda's line is precisely saying he has been watching luke from afar. There can be no other interpretation(And i hope this doesn't sound confrontational). It doesn't say he projected himself to Tattooine. In fact, i always interpreted it to be similar to when Luke has the premonition of Han being tortured, and asks Yoda: "Will they die?", and Yoda closes his eyes(Casting his mind into the future and to Bespin), and says: "Difficult to see. Always in motion, the future is". In that, i always assumed Yoda say EXACTLY how it would go. He saw that Luke was going to go and save them, but learn the truth about Vader, and get his hand chopped off.
But getting back to your original statement, Luke says he is ready to be trained and yoda replies:



When he mentions "having a counsel", he is referring to "keeping his own counsel", and saying his opinion is the only one that matters on who he will take on for training. He's not referring to serving on the Jedi counsel.
Also, his comments about adventure and excitement are all about Luke and his "looking off to the sunset", wanting more than he had in ANH.

I completely agree with everything you have said.

 

[TaliBane]

Well, it's tricky. Because stormtroopers are toxic white males. But as soon as they mutiny or join the resistance, they become POC.

That's why the resistance is super diverse, majority POC - like as if Twitter voted on who got in - but the FO is like 95-98% white male (the FO is not above tokenism.)

It's just a thing that we don't dwell on. So it's been touched on, briefly, because you asked, and now we move on.

But I saw a black guy and a few girls in the FO?

By a process of elimination, that would make the non white male FO percentage 3-5%.

It's just... as I've controversially pointed out in the past, both the Empire and Rebellion are pretty much 100% white in SW and ESB casting-wise, which you can read anyway you like (intentional, accidental, mimicking majority WWII demographics, etc.) but when it came time to diversify SW in the ST, strangely, the rebels somehow turned out majority POC (in some cases white males appear possibly as little as 10-20% - RO is a good example) and equal (in some scenes majority) female while the FO...... somehow remained 95-98% white male. Which you can read anyway you like.

 

[Neal136]

Yoda is definitely talking about watching Luke in TESB, but for me, that doesn't necessarily mean he was projecting himself through the Force (the same lethal way Luke did in TLJ) to accomplish this. I see them as two different powers. Throughout the films, there are instances of Force-sensitive characters being aware of what is happening with other characters (hell, even Finn does it in TROS!) without projecting themselves through the Force to do so.

 

[Khev]

Yes visible Force Projection definitely wasn't referenced in the OT.

We know this because we actually witness Yoda showing Luke how to watch people from afar and Luke doesn't "appear" next to those whom he's watching.

For instance Luke sees a city in the clouds, and his friends, "they were in pain." We can assume this meant that he witnessed Vader torturing Han. Well we saw the scene where Han was tortured and Luke's projection wasn't there, though I suppose that would have been pretty funny.

Vader watches Han getting zapped, suddenly a Stormtrooper shouts "Lord Vader, Skywalker is right behind you, and *he's doing a handstand!*"

Vader spins around "WHAAAT???"

Luke freaks out and drops R2.

"Control, control, you must learn control."

lol

 

[Otomofan]

I've always thought he was talking about Luke. Ever since the first time I saw it. No Force projections or any of that...he just used the Force to see what Luke was doing, just like Vader could feel his presence.

 

[pixletwin]

This post did not deserve a passover with no ??

Spoiler

 

[The Buffinator]

I've always thought he was talking about Luke. Ever since the first time I saw it. No Force projections or any of that...he just used the Force to see what Luke was doing, just like Vader could feel his presence.

Agreed. Plus Obi-Wan was obviously keeping tabs on Luke so he could have somehow been providing Yoda with periodic updates. Force FaceTime? lol

 

[darth dennis]

Agreed. Plus Obi-Wan was obviously keeping tabs on Luke so he could have somehow been providing Yoda with periodic updates. Force FaceTime? lol

Now that is a funny what if. "Yeah Yoda, I don't know about this kid...he's pretty whiny, always complaining about something. If anyone ever had doubts about the paternity, it's pretty clear now..."

 

[Otomofan]

Plus we see Vader and Luke clearly talking to each other after their fight, with the screen smash cutting to the other. They could hear each other, but they didn't "see" each other the way Kylo and Rey did.

And apparently they couldn't pass each other secret notes or they'd have done that the way Rey and Kylo pass lightsabers.

Is that getting a pass from this movie's apologists? The fact that they now possess Star Trek teleportation capabilities for physical objects....with their MINDS?

 

[jye4ever]

How about Ben force project a blanket and some coordinates lol

Why was Ben so confident that Luke was going to make it out of there alive.

Ben is just like so matter of fact yeah just go to the dagobah system when you finally stop playing around with the blizzard and hypothermia.


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[YoNoSe]

Precisely! The movie had Snoke saying, "It was I who bridged your minds." It was bridging Force-users. Luke's projection was manifested differently in both structure and purpose, and exposition was laid down to make that clear.

Thinking about this again - doesn?t Luke see Kylo sitting in Rey?s hut with her? And I believe that?s the only time they aren?t alone. So it would seem that is projection.

 

[jye4ever]

Man I am so enjoying the force power chaos Disney has brought down upon the fandom that alone makes the ST already more worthy than the PT lol


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[Khev]

How about Ben force project a blanket and some coordinates lol

Why was Ben so confident that Luke was going to make it out of there alive.

Ben is just like so matter of fact yeah just go to the dagobah system when you finally stop playing around with the blizzard and hypothermia.

Holy crap, lol.

Luke was all:



lol

 

[Username]

Yes visible Force Projection definitely wasn't referenced in the OT.

We know this because we actually witness Yoda showing Luke how to watch people from afar and Luke doesn't "appear" next to those whom he's watching.

For instance Luke sees a city in the clouds, and his friends, "they were in pain." We can assume this meant that he witnessed Vader torturing Han

Yeah. It’s quite explicit that the reason they are torturing Han is so Luke will sense it and come to save them. “They never even asked me any questions” said by Han shows that the reason for the torture is just so that Han can broadcast pain that Luke will be able to sense.
The beauty of Luke sensing the future is that he leaves in time to arrive not long after said torture, lol.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Thinking about this again - doesn?t Luke see Kylo sitting in Rey?s hut with her? And I believe that?s the only time they aren?t alone. So it would seem that is projection.

That wasn't the only time they were not alone. Before Luke had reconnected with the Force, Kylo and Rey were talking to each other outside of her hut. Luke had no idea that Kylo was there, even though he was watching Rey as she was talking to him. And Kylo couldn't see Luke because he was following Rey's eyes when she turned to Luke and had to ask her if it was Luke she was turning to see. Also, the caregiver nuns were cleaning debris the whole time right where Rey was seeing Kylo. They didn't see him there either.

After Luke reconnected with the Force, that's when he was aware of what Rey was doing when she was touching Kylo's hand in the hut. And even then, it's not clear if Luke saw Kylo, or was just aware of what he perceived was happening in Rey's mind. When Rey turned toward Luke, Kylo instinctively turned to what she was looking at. The Force Skype stuff was *not* projection.

What Luke did on Crait was entirely different. Kylo was aware of Force projection (probably learned it from Master Luke), because he questioned whether Rey was projecting herself to his star destroyer. He concluded that: "You're not doing this. The effort would kill you. This is something else." That was when we the audience were told two things explicitly that would crystallize later: 1.) Kylo and Rey were not Force projecting, and 2.) Force projecting requires effort that kills the user.

 

[Bravomite]

I thought when Kylo said ?you?re not doing this? to Rey he was implying that (a) she wasn?t adept enough in her use of the force to able to do it because either the effort would kill her or she should have no way of knowing how to do it and (b) either someone else was doing it (e.g. Snoke, which he later seems to confirm) or something else was afoot that Kylo was not aware of (i.e. the force Dyad as confirmed by TRoS). However I?ve only seen the movie twice so I suspect AJP is more likely to be correct.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

BS

In the dialogue right before this he specifically mentions training Jedi for 800 years and how he had a council.

this one, a long time have I watched, all his life, as he looked away, to the future, the horizon

Could mean any one of his students in those 800 years, from Obi-Wan to Anakin himself. Before TLJ, you would never interrupt that he was watching Luke grow up. It was always meant to be interrupted as a student Yoda had that Luke relates to. Yoda even looks up to Ben as he says this and Ben is constantly reminding Yoda that he was once like Luke as well as a green, impatient youth.

And if I'm wrong and Yoda was somehow keeping tabs on him, then I'd chalk that up as is using foresight and sensing Luke's feelings in that moment, reading his heart and mind. In Empire Yoda IS watching him for a awhile before revealing himself. Luke tells him so much while in the guise of a crazy old creature. To think he projected himself at Lars Homestead and studied Luke is just absurd, and missing the point of the scene entirely. TLJ and ROS are a farce when it comes to time and space.

Lets not twist and warp the OT to fit the horrible sequels. I don't want Disney getting ideas of going back and tinkering with them even further after the damage sustained by the PT.

It's too late. The damage is done and it will continue.

 

[SvenDokki]

Coming next season on the Mandalorian - the new Force Power of the week with Baby Yoda! What will he do next? Launch into orbit with a Force fart? Heal a gay to straight with a Force kiss? Kill a frenemy with a raddle (or controller top) shake? Whatever it is, you KNOW it will be 100%-proof cute and people will be saying "Awwww" admiring his cute evilness so much they won't question it!!!