Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

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Coming next season on the Mandalorian - the new Force Power of the week with Baby Yoda! What will he do next? Launch into orbit with a Force fart? Heal a gay to straight with a Force kiss?

Heal a gay to straight?!?!?
What?

 

[jye4ever]

Holy crap, lol.

Luke was all:



lol

Aren?t you just loving the new force power tornado tearing thru fandom lol

But Ben ordering Luke to Dagobah so matter of fact like that tells me that either Ben couldn?t see the situation Luke was in maybe not even sensing the physical turmoil he was in OR he?s a cold heartless bastard lol


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[ajp4mgs]

I thought when Kylo said ?you?re not doing this? to Rey he was implying that (a) she wasn?t adept enough in her use of the force to able to do it because either the effort would kill her or she should have no way of knowing how to do it and (b) either someone else was doing it (e.g. Snoke, which he later seems to confirm) or something else was afoot that Kylo was not aware of (i.e. the force Dyad as confirmed by TRoS). However I?ve only seen the movie twice so I suspect AJP is more likely to be correct.

Kylo began to piece together what was going on as the movie progressed. In one of their later "Force bond" conversations, Kylo asked, "Why is the Force connecting us?" He knew it wasn't projection, but he knew it involved the Force, and he was invested in trying to figure out the specifics.

One of my favorite aspects to how Kylo behaved during his Force bond scenes was how different it was than Rey's behavior. Kylo was deeply curious. He asked her things like, "can you see my surroundings? I can't see yours." Rey, on the other hand, couldn't seem to give a crap about the logistics. The Force was new to her, and everything probably seemed equally possible as impossible. She was just raw emotion, rather than contemplative and studious.

Kylo was a long-time student of the Force. He knew what the rules were. This Force bond thing was something new that he wanted answers to. I found that juxtaposition a fascinating little wrinkle in the whole thing.

But, I think it was purposely intended for the audience to understand at the end of the movie that Kylo and Rey were not projecting themselves. Their minds were linked through the Force via their unique bond, but no one else could see them. Luke's projection on Crait was entirely different. And his Force projection being something rarely ever used by Jedi makes sense since it has to cost them their lives. How many situations would be worth dying over just to perform that illusion?

 

[YoNoSe]

That wasn't the only time they were not alone. Before Luke had reconnected with the Force, Kylo and Rey were talking to each other outside of her hut. Luke had no idea that Kylo was there, even though he was watching Rey as she was talking to him. And Kylo couldn't see Luke because he was following Rey's eyes when she turned to Luke and had to ask her if it was Luke she was turning to see. Also, the caregiver nuns were cleaning debris the whole time right where Rey was seeing Kylo. They didn't see him there either.

After Luke reconnected with the Force, that's when he was aware of what Rey was doing when she was touching Kylo's hand in the hut. And even then, it's not clear if Luke saw Kylo, or was just aware of what he perceived was happening in Rey's mind. When Rey turned toward Luke, Kylo instinctively turned to what she was looking at. The Force Skype stuff was *not* projection.

What Luke did on Crait was entirely different. Kylo was aware of Force projection (probably learned it from Master Luke), because he questioned whether Rey was projecting herself to his star destroyer. He concluded that: "You're not doing this. The effort would kill you. This is something else." That was when we the audience were told two things explicitly that would crystallize later: 1.) Kylo and Rey were not Force projecting, and 2.) Force projecting requires effort that kills the user.

Ah. Okay, I promise not to raise the issue again without a rewatch. Though I appreciate you entertaining my accusations.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Ah. Okay, I promise not to raise the issue again without a rewatch. Though I appreciate you entertaining my accusations.

Don't torture yourself by re-watching something that pisses you off. I'll answer whatever questions you have about any of it. Not a problem.

 

[Sassafras]

Man I am so enjoying the force power chaos Disney has brought down upon the fandom that alone makes the ST already more worthy than the PT lol


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An explosion of ridiculously cosmic proportions - no-one's ever seen anything like it....

 

[jye4ever]

Kylo began to piece together what was going on as the movie progressed. In one of their later "Force bond" conversations, Kylo asked, "Why is the Force connecting us?" He knew it wasn't projection, but he knew it involved the Force, and he was invested in trying to figure out the specifics.

One of my favorite aspects to how Kylo behaved during his Force bond scenes was how different it was than Rey's behavior. Kylo was deeply curious. He asked her things like, "can you see my surroundings? I can't see yours." Rey, on the other hand, couldn't seem to give a crap about the logistics. The Force was new to her, and everything probably seemed equally possible as impossible. She was just raw emotion, rather than contemplative and studious.

Kylo was a long-time student of the Force. He knew what the rules were. This Force bond thing was something new that he wanted answers to. I found that juxtaposition a fascinating little wrinkle in the whole thing.

But, I think it was purposely intended for the audience to understand at the end of the movie that Kylo and Rey were not projecting themselves. Their minds were linked through the Force via their unique bond, but no one else could see them. Luke's projection on Crait was entirely different. And his Force projection being something rarely ever used by Jedi makes sense since it has to cost them their lives. How many situations would be worth dying over just to perform that illusion?

Epic post is epic.

Great read.




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[Khev]

Kylo began to piece together what was going on as the movie progressed. In one of their later "Force bond" conversations, Kylo asked, "Why is the Force connecting us?" He knew it wasn't projection, but he knew it involved the Force, and he was invested in trying to figure out the specifics.

One of my favorite aspects to how Kylo behaved during his Force bond scenes was how different it was than Rey's behavior. Kylo was deeply curious. He asked her things like, "can you see my surroundings? I can't see yours." Rey, on the other hand, couldn't seem to give a crap about the logistics. The Force was new to her, and everything probably seemed equally possible as impossible. She was just raw emotion, rather than contemplative and studious.

Kylo was a long-time student of the Force. He knew what the rules were. This Force bond thing was something new that he wanted answers to. I found that juxtaposition a fascinating little wrinkle in the whole thing.

I also really enjoyed the juxtaposition of their reactions and that it was something that JJ built on with TROS. Like all Snoke wanted to do was connect their minds but he did it so often that Kylo was able to connect dots that Snoke didn't even know he was capable of. Like the water drops (which I personally really like.) Since Snoke (or Palps if you will) wasn't anticipating the bond between Ben and Rey to be so strong (that he would later exploit at the end of TROS) he didn't realize that connecting their minds would give them significant access to each other, and new powers that even he didn't anticipate.

In other words he connected their minds but the bond became so instantly interwoven that Ben (who was more attuned to the logistics of the experience as you mentioned) was able to take it a step further and actually connect not just with Rey but her surroundings (the water.) Then later Rey herself with the fingers touching.

Ben held onto that knowledge for the years separating TLJ and TROS and assumedly taught himself how to become more proficient with it, hence him being able to voluntarily snatch Rey's necklace. She then realized that if he could take her necklace then he could also take her weapon so she connected with him mentally on Exegol and offered up the lightsaber so that he could use the power (that she had yet to learn herself) to take it from her hand.

That's one of the things that impresses me so much about TROS. It wasn't a wholesale rejection or reboot of TLJ, instead it merely retconned the majority of the junk while building on the good stuff.

 

[dan350zr]

I find hit funny how people will make up stuff to try and justify the story and force powers

 

[SvenDokki]

OMG... I just figured it out... I know what happened! It all makes sense now...

Force voting. I won't say any more.

 

[Wor-Gar]

ajp4mgs thinking about his next post...

 

[ajp4mgs]

WTF!?

 

[Khev]

Yeah that was a pretty low blow on Wor-Gar's part, lol.

Thankfully from what people are reporting Iger axed the SJW "Story Group" immediately after Solo tanked and required that all of JJ's story notes for TROS go directly to him and him alone.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Sometimes I think if you don't already work for LFL, that they should hire you to exquisitely justify their bad ideas.

 

[YoNoSe]

I was a fan of the water drops & also of the way it was expanded upon in RoS. I’m glad they added the Force Diad (sp?) so that it’s specific & rare.

 

[abake]

Love the discussions and theories.

At any rate, TROS has managed the impossible: I'm finding new respect for some of TLJ. Not enough to make me want to watch it again, but I can see more clearly the good bits in it. And all of this despite (or maybe because?) of TROS' bad bits...

 

[ajp4mgs]

Sometimes I think if you don't already work for LFL, that they should hire you to exquisitely justify their bad ideas.

In the entire Disney era of LFL, I think the vast majority of what they've put out is crap. Do you ever see me trying to justify *anything* about Solo, or TROS, or Rebels, or the comics . . .

Hell, I even found things about Mandalorian to complain about. I just don't think a lot of the stuff in TLJ was nearly as bad as most people found it to be. So ****ing what!?

Comparing me to that? **** off!

 

[Khev]

Comparing me to that? **** off!

You should take that stupid face she's making as your new avatar just for the lulz. I mean is she any worse than that stupid farting camel? Hmm, actually never mind she totally is isn't she, lol.

 

[ajp4mgs]

You should take that stupid face she's making as your new avatar just for the lulz. I mean is she any worse than that stupid farting camel? Hmm, actually never mind she totally is isn't she, lol.

Let's just say I don't mind seeing her leave LFL. And no way am I having that as my avatar. The farting camel is less objectionable.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Do you ever see me trying to justify *anything* about Solo, or TROS, or Rebels, or the comics . . .

This inspired me...

Kylo began to piece together what was going on as the movie progressed. In one of their later "Force bond" conversations, Kylo asked, "Why is the Force connecting us?" He knew it wasn't projection, but he knew it involved the Force, and he was invested in trying to figure out the specifics.

One of my favorite aspects to how Kylo behaved during his Force bond scenes was how different it was than Rey's behavior. Kylo was deeply curious. He asked her things like, "can you see my surroundings? I can't see yours." Rey, on the other hand, couldn't seem to give a crap about the logistics. The Force was new to her, and everything probably seemed equally possible as impossible. She was just raw emotion, rather than contemplative and studious.

Kylo was a long-time student of the Force. He knew what the rules were. This Force bond thing was something new that he wanted answers to. I found that juxtaposition a fascinating little wrinkle in the whole thing.

But, I think it was purposely intended for the audience to understand at the end of the movie that Kylo and Rey were not projecting themselves. Their minds were linked through the Force via their unique bond, but no one else could see them. Luke's projection on Crait was entirely different. And his Force projection being something rarely ever used by Jedi makes sense since it has to cost them their lives. How many situations would be worth dying over just to perform that illusion?

Comparing me to that? **** off!

I'm hoping that last bit is a harsh joke in the same way mine was. You don't get that mad.

I'll admit, that picture is very cruel.