Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Captain Clown]

The only new force power I’m fine with weirdly enough is the healing ability, since it was mentioned in RotS with Sheev’s Darth Plageuis story. They even >try< tying it back to that by having Palpatine stunned that they’ve figured out how to do it (even though it never shows them figuring out how, they just do it).

I wish a lot of things would’ve been built up in TLJ instead of being crammed into TRoS at the last minute.

 

[Khev]

Comparing any SW fan to that woman will always make the piano player in the corner instantly stop playing while everyone puts down their drinks and reaches for their six shooters, lol.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I thought I heard a record scratch.

 

[jye4ever]

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[jye4ever]

Terrio is now saying that anyone who thinks that he and JJ gave a big middle finger to Rian clearly didn?t comprehend where Luke ended up at the end of TLJ.

He says nothing can be further from the truth.

Lets ask Gareth what he thinks of Gilroy lol


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[SvenDokki]

He makes a good point. Luke gets back involved at the end, apologizes to Leia, I?m seems more remorseful and less grumpy.

that?s one thing I will say about the movie, I did not get any sense anywhere that they were giving Johnson the finger. It just felt like a natural progression. I don?t really know where people got that idea they were trying to stick it to him. I guess people are paranoid, or like to make up drama in their heads when they feel it is lacking in reality.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

The only new force power I’m fine with weirdly enough is the healing ability, since it was mentioned in RotS with Sheev’s Darth Plageuis story. They even >try< tying it back to that by having Palpatine stunned that they’ve figured out how to do it (even though it never shows them figuring out how, they just do it).

I wish a lot of things would’ve been built up in TLJ instead of being crammed into TRoS at the last minute.

I gave up on trying to make sense of the force because it's nothing but a plot armor and plot devise. It's just lazy writing really. It's not a ST problem either, the novels and comics are to blame too. The force is no different than magic in Marvel or DC comics. It can do anything when it's convenient, but also nothing if the plot demands it. One minute a Jedi has super speed like in the beginning of the Phantom Menace, but later on they forget they can move that fast and never use that ability again. They can move heavy objects, or Kylo can stop a blaster shot, but then needs a lightsaber and struggles to beat some guards or the Knights of Ren, instead of pushing them all away. I can excuse the old films because of their lack of technology, so they had to keep the force abilities a bit more grounded.

 

[Khev]

He makes a good point. Luke gets back involved at the end, apologizes to Leia, I?m seems more remorseful and less grumpy.

that?s one thing I will say about the movie, I did not get any sense anywhere that they were giving Johnson the finger. It just felt like a natural progression. I don?t really know where people got that idea they were trying to stick it to him. I guess people are paranoid, or like to make up drama in their heads when they feel it is lacking in reality.

 

[Wor-Gar]

The fact that JJ addressed nearly every fan "issue" from TLJ in some way tells me he was sayin' something.

The force grows dark around a being before it kills.

 

[jye4ever]

I gave up on trying to make sense of the force because it's nothing but a plot armor and plot devise. It's just lazy writing really. It's not a ST problem either, the novels and comics are to blame too. The force is no different than magic in Marvel or DC comics. It can do anything when it's convenient, but also nothing if the plot demands it. One minute a Jedi has super speed like in the beginning of the Phantom Menace, but later on they forget they can move that fast and never use that ability again. They can move heavy objects, or Kylo can stop a blaster shot, but then needs a lightsaber and struggles to beat some guards or the Knights of Ren, instead of pushing them all away. I can excuse the old films because of their lack of technology, so they had to keep the force abilities a bit more grounded tho.

Unfortunately you are 100% correct.

This is why the unaltered ANH/ESB and yes ROTJ sigh are truly the only 3 films that ultimately matter.

Everything else is just there to address boredom.


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[Captain Clown]

Yeah, it took getting used to Luke’s projection effects (followed by him crawling into a rock and dying) and Rey and Kylo’s Force Skype connection, but those were made “okay” when Kylo grabbed that necklace off Rey.

I haven’t read any of the comics, but I think I’ve heard about it here and there.

 

[Wor-Gar]

those were made “okay” when Kylo grabbed that necklace off Rey.

How does that even work?

 

[Khev]

Unfortunately you are 100% correct.

This is why the unaltered ANH/ESB and yes ROTJ sigh are truly the only 3 films that ultimately matter.

Everything else is just there to address boredom.

Nah once you include ROTJ you open the door to a whole world of craziness, lol.

"ROTJ is a pathway to many sequels that some would consider to be unnatural..."

I think now that we have so many genuinely good (or at the very least entertaining) movies (plus Mando) the whole "what's canon/what isn't" is starting to mean less and less to me.

I'm starting to simply look at AOTC or TLJ as the "Karen Paige goes to upstate New York" episodes. Kind of annoying to watch but ultimately harmless to the greater series. Do we worry about "purging" the subpar Mandalorian episodes? Nah, we just see him traveling through the desert with a kid who can't act and then move on, lol.

 

[Prime Clone]

Uh-oh, you'd think JB would've learned from RJ not to go near Twitter...

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Deep down he's not happy about his role in SW. He and Hamill should get together and trade stories.

 

[YoNoSe]

He definitely sniffed that daisy.

 

[Khev]

Deep down he's not happy about his role in SW. He and Hamill should get together and trade stories.

Mark was mad in '83 too when the one hot chick in the universe turned out to be his sister, lol.

Nice guys in SW:

Hell even Palpatine saw some action, lol.

 

[Prime Clone]

Mark was mad in '83 too when the one hot chick in the universe turned out to be his sister, lol.

Nice guys in SW:

Hell even Palpatine saw some action, lol.

Back on the SJWG, quite telling that even BDW has gone off-script, saying Lando was out of character in Solo. Fat lot of good his coffee with Glover did!

 

[momaw]

That wasn't the only time they were not alone. Before Luke had reconnected with the Force, Kylo and Rey were talking to each other outside of her hut. Luke had no idea that Kylo was there, even though he was watching Rey as she was talking to him. And Kylo couldn't see Luke because he was following Rey's eyes when she turned to Luke and had to ask her if it was Luke she was turning to see. Also, the caregiver nuns were cleaning debris the whole time right where Rey was seeing Kylo. They didn't see him there either.

After Luke reconnected with the Force, that's when he was aware of what Rey was doing when she was touching Kylo's hand in the hut. And even then, it's not clear if Luke saw Kylo, or was just aware of what he perceived was happening in Rey's mind. When Rey turned toward Luke, Kylo instinctively turned to what she was looking at. The Force Skype stuff was *not* projection.

What Luke did on Crait was entirely different. Kylo was aware of Force projection (probably learned it from Master Luke), because he questioned whether Rey was projecting herself to his star destroyer. He concluded that: "You're not doing this. The effort would kill you. This is something else." That was when we the audience were told two things explicitly that would crystallize later: 1.) Kylo and Rey were not Force projecting, and 2.) Force projecting requires effort that kills the user.

I watch TLJ again last night. I never took Kylo's comment as "the effort would kill you" to be confirmation that force projection is always lethal, but rather only the strongest force wielders can use it (which also limits it's in universe usage).

I'm also not convinced it was the projection that killed Luke. Yes he was visibly taxed from the effort, but in no way did he look like he was about to die. In fact he pulled himself up onto his rock and sat calmly in a meditative pose. The more I watch that scene and think back to Obiwan in ANH, the more I think they both chose to become one with the force and move to the next plain. Vader's sabre didn't cut Obiwan. He didn't get "struck down" (despite his taunt to Vader) and then fade to the force. We have seen many become one with the force after death. Their body dies and then shortly after it fades. Obiwan's body was gone in the same instant Vader would have hit it. Likewise Luke seemed fine and then, he made the choice and became one with the force.

Now I'm not saying I'm right, but I'm leaning more to it being a choice with the evidence on screen. After all, as obiwan says and I paraphrase and contextualise, as one with the force he will be more powerful than Vader could imagine. Of course that leads to the fair argument, if they are so powerful and can interact as shown, why don't they do more. To which I'll take a lead from the ascended in Stargate, once they reach that plain, they are opened up to so much more and as such choose to interfere only when absolutely required. As one with the force they can likely see all the outcomes so only need to nudge the living towards the outcome they desire.

In other words he connected their minds but the bond became so instantly interwoven that Ben (who was more attuned to the logistics of the experience as you mentioned) was able to take it a step further and actually connect not just with Rey but her surroundings (the water.) Then later Rey herself with the fingers touching.

But how do we *know* Snoke connected their minds? Yes he takes credit for it, but do we believe him? Personally I don't. I don't think he understands it either and is lying to manipulate both Kylo and Rey. I think the connection was made in TFA and forged when Kylo entered Rey's mind and she likewise entered his mind.

Back on the SJWG, quite telling that even BDW has gone off-script, saying Lando was out of character in Solo. Fat lot of good his coffee with Glover did!

No way. Say it isn't so. I loved Solo Lando. I want a Donald Glover spin of series.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

A Star Trek like show about Darth Vader and the Empire would be nice. The rebels are lame.