Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[JAWS]

I?m coming around on it thanks to Khev and now JAWS lol

BTW Jye... I love that Hot Toys Deluxe R2

 

[ironwez20]

You should see ASM2 in 3D on my 80 inch tv Spiderman swinging in that costume is glorious to behold a thing of beauty especially in 3D and yeah ASM1 and ASM2 are not good especially that dumb lizard lol


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I use to convince myself the lizard was a good design at the time. It was the stupidest looking thing ever

 

[ironwez20]

Hmmmmm What does that say about me... All of that nostalgia and rinse and repeat stuff was in TFA and I really didn?t like it... Jye didn?t either with his first viewing... He convinced himself to like it... Same with TLJ I believe ( that was Khevs fault lol)

I only liked TROS and it may redeem the other two films a little more for me.... will have to wait until I watch them again... But now that I know where the story goes and think I will be more accepting.

I am not a PT hater but they are poorly made films. There is lots of cool world building with some decent action moments ( mostly in TPM) But man the dialogue, acting, and poor direction.... yikes

I can look past most of that but IMO the PT did far more damage to the OT then the PT as it gave answers we never wanted ( midiclorians, 3po origins) turned all powerful force users ( who we all figured were beyond sabers) into a cgi saber wielding goof fest and worst of all... it turned Vader in a wussy crybaby who?s only able, as Vader, to kills kids ( I?m supposed to find him redeemable after that? )
And unarmed aliens... when he comes across the first fair fight and gets his ass kicked Thank god for RO that reminded us how bad ass Vader could be...

And yet I can still find some enjoyment out of them...

That?s the thing about the Star Wars saga films, You have to pick and choose what you like in these movies because other then ANH and ESB there is plenty of garbage to dig through.

Lol I don?t understand the hate for ROTJ besides the Ewoks lol

 

[JAWS]

Lol I don?t understand the hate for ROTJ besides the Ewoks lol

Ford and Fisher are awful in it... that?s probably my biggest issue. . Everything on Endor is a bore... Uninteresting saber duel until the very end.

It?s not bad... it has some of my fav moments in the series.... but it falls flat in a lot of places.

 

[Captain Clown]

I've always thought it felt soft compared to ESB. I really wish Irvin Kershner would've returned to direct.

 

[JAWS]

I use to convince myself the lizard was a good design at the time. It was the stupidest looking thing ever

I don?t hate either film... but I don?t think I will ever watch them again since they never finished and ended on such a downer.


Yes the lizard is a terrible design

 

[JAWS]

I really wish Irvin Kershner would've directed it.

This...


But I do wonder how much Empire was his doing.... it?s not like he has a list of other great films.


Maybe he would have pushed for a better script and gotten more out of Ford and Fisher.


Jedi feels more like a PT film.... I wonder how much Lucas was on the set.

 

[Prime Clone]

Jedi feels more like a PT film.... I wonder how much Lucas was on the set.

IIRC Marquand constantly had George looking over his shoulder. Kersh probably had more free rein because George was a fanboy.

 

[TaliBane]

Ford and Fisher are awful in it... that?s probably my biggest issue. . Everything on Endor is a bore... Uninteresting saber duel until the very end.

It?s not bad... it has some of my fav moments in the series.... but it falls flat in a lot of places.

I 100% agree - I only love between 1/2 and 2/3 of ROTJ. Acting-wise and to some degree dramatically, the rest is anywhere from kinda weak to flat-out awful. But ROTJ also has a LOT of stellar costume/set design (everything from spacecraft like TIE interceptors/B-Wings to costumes like Biker Scouts/Royal Guards to all things Jabba's Palace), some of the best JW music of the OT, and intros several iconic SW giants that are 100% cool - Palps and Jabba.

It has a lot of 2nd tier characters that became SW classics - eg Ackbar, Nien Numb and Bib Fortuna. Hell, even ROTJ's 3rd tier are cool and borderline classic - Gamorreans, Ree Yees, Rancor, Amanaman etc., even if that's as much about Kenner as it is the film.

It has the heroes in some of their coolest outfits of the OT - Luke Jedi (Jabba Palace and duel looks,) Leia Boussh, Leia Slave, Lando Skiff - and has battle visuals that often easily match anything in SW and ESB: ATSTs in the forest battle, speeder bike chase and final space battle. And the face-off between Luke and Palps - dramatically, not necessarily as a saber battle - to me is often up there with anything OT.

While I loved seeing Palps back for TROS and enjoyed a few sequences (a first for me in the ST) I really can't see how anyone could say "eh, TROS and ROTJ both have strengths and weaknesses and so are kinda equal."

I think people overlook what was intro'ed in ROTJ and just generically assign them to "the OT." It's beyond me how anyone could equate that meh TROS desert chase with the speeder bike chase, or that dull/silly Exogol "space" battle with the ROTJ space battle, or the face-off between Rey and Papls with the Luke/Palps face off.

Yes, all three ROTJ leads were in poor form (both acting and physically) and often had pure cheese to work with, and some sequences or ideas show simultaneous cockiness and laziness (Ewoks) or utter silliness ("point of view" scene) in "loose ends" moments, but ROTJ still has a LOT to love, even though it's become a favorite target as the lowest hanging fruit of the OT.

 

[jye4ever]

Yeah 50% of ROTJ is still pretty epic.

Make that 45%.

40% lol


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[Khev]

Far from a perfect film but it was fun and a bit mythic just like the OT.

SUCH a perfect way to put it. Yep TROS absolutely was equal parts fun, equal parts mythic, and always with each element highlighted at the proper place.

And I've never been one to put ROTJ on the level of SW/ESB so I have no problem stating that I absolutely prefer the showdown in Palpatine's Exegol throne room to the one in ROTJ's DS II. Obviously there was the brief bit of perfection when Luke made his attack on Vader amidst JW's rousing score and of course Vader hurling Palpatine over the railing but as a whole I prefer Exegol.

There's no question that ROTJ has awesome characters even down to the second and third tier levels but Rey, Ben Solo, Palpatine, Han, Luke, Leia, Lando and 3PO make for a dynamite top tier showing in TROS as well. Sure Finn, Poe, Zori, Hux, and the rest are "okay" but fortunately the film wisely keeps them compartmentalized within the "fun" sections and preserves the "mythic" moments for those who truly deserve it. TROS ain't a 10/10 movie, not by a long shot (nor is any SW movie past ESB), but I love it as if it was 10/10, lol.

 

[jye4ever]

SUCH a perfect way to put it. Yep TROS absolutely was equal parts fun, equal parts mythic, and always with each element highlighted at the proper place.

And I've never been one to put ROTJ on the level of SW/ESB so I have no problem stating that I absolutely prefer the showdown in Palpatine's Exegol throne room to the one in ROTJ's DS II. Obviously there was the brief bit of perfection when Luke made his attack on Vader amidst JW's rousing score and of course Vader hurling Palpatine over the railing but as a whole I prefer Exegol.

There's no question that ROTJ has awesome characters even down to the second and third tier levels but Rey, Ben Solo, Palpatine, Han, Luke, Leia, Lando and 3PO make for a dynamite top tier showing in TROS as well. Sure Finn, Poe, Zori, Hux, and the rest are "okay" but fortunately the film wisely keeps them compartmentalized within the "fun" sections and preserves the "mythic" moments for those who truly deserve it. TROS ain't a 10/10 movie, not by a long shot (nor is any SW movie past ESB), but I love it as if it was 10/10, lol.

Well said I agree!































*runs to wake up ajp.....


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[Khev]

Everyone else I know really enjoyed or loved it... I only hear the hate on YouTube and here .

So true.

Well said I agree!































*runs to wake up ajp.....

 

[ajp4mgs]

*runs to wake up ajp.....

[wakes up]

[yawns and begins blinking rapidly to clear the haze]

[reads Khev's post]

...I absolutely prefer the showdown in Palpatine's Exegol throne room to the one in ROTJ's DS II. ...

[wishes he hadn't woken up]

[wonders if Minnesota got a vastly different cut of TROS than California, or if they just grow some vastly underrated weed there]

 

[Khev]

[wonders if Minnesota got a vastly different cut of TROS than California, or if they just grow some vastly underrated weed there]

Sorry but no amount of "ZOMG REYZ A MARY SUU SHE SUX CHOZEN WUN ROOLZ PREQUELS 4EVAH" vitriol will make me see it any differently.

 

[a-dev]

Mildly related to Star Wars, just saw that Max Von Sydow has died. RIP.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Just saw that. Another huge loss.

 

[Khev]

Yeah, he seemingly lived a good life to the ripe age of 90 but still, a sad loss nonetheless.

 

[jye4ever]

Sorry but no amount of "ZOMG REYZ A MARY SUU SHE SUX CHOZEN WUN ROOLZ PREQUELS 4EVAH" vitriol will make me see it any differently.

Choooooooooozen Wunnnnnnnnn

lol

Yeah, he seemingly lived a good life to the ripe age of 90 but still, a sad loss nonetheless.

His role in TFA was so pivotal he really was the glue that held that movie together.

 

[Khev]

His role in TFA was so pivotal he really was the glue that held that movie together.

So pivotal that the name on his action figure card simply reads "Max Von Sydow's Character in TFA," lol.