You know HOW INSULTING it would have been had they NOT brought the emperor back!
What am I missing with these so called OT fans lol
Kylo as the main villain in the galaxy...
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Luke probably would have allowed her to do it and still only appeared when she was about to destroy his lightsaber, lol.
"A Jedi's weapon deserves more respect." (*screams of burning agony can be heard from Broom Boy*)
"What are you doing?" (*screams continue*)
lol
What part of "that's hardly a dealbreaker in a fantasy story" do *you* not understand? Okay technically that's the first time I wrote that sentence but still, lol. So Palpatine is literally the only one who's never allowed to come back? Just "because"? Sauron's return? Fine. Voldemort? Fine. Battling Thanos after he was beheaded? Fine.
But Palpatine, the one guy who openly talked about cheating death?
lol
So let me guess, when Old Ben cheated death and continued to help Luke win the war it was an "insult" to Vader's victory during their lightsaber duel.
Now this I think actually does speak volumes to the bashing of TROS and I'm glad you said it. Because it does show that for many their reviews were already decided on and typed out long before even the first trailer for TROS ever dropped. I came to be with you on criticizing TLJ with the direction that it appeared to have taken the Saga. But I let TROS have the final word on the story and on that it delivered spectacularly (IMO obviously).
What about the fact that bringing back the screen confirmed dead guy undoes all the accomplishments of the heroes in the OT. What about the way they made the lives of the OT heroes turn out pathetic and the way they screwed with the force, hyper space, etc. There is much more to complain about but I'll stop there for now. All so Kathleen Kennedy's idealized version of her brunette self that never actually was can replace Luke as the hero of the "Skywalkers"
I put that laughing emoji in there, but it's not actually funny. Or "awesome" as Khev puts it. It's just bad and insulting.
Yep.
*How* many times would Rey have been dead in TROS if not rescued by a man, saved from a man, encouraged by men, or even brought back to life by a man? You'd have to be a fool to watch TROS and come away with the message that you can succeed if you're female or superior if you're female. No Rey is a great hero in TROS because she simply faces her fears and the danger head on even if she alone isn't strong enough to overcome them.
Exactly! That's why *I* was starting to let go of the ST, because I realized that if all it would take is literally *any other villain* (Snoke, Kylo, etc.) to instantly bring the galaxy back down to its knees and throw the main OT characters into despair then IMO that *would* have greatly invalidated who they were as heroes. Wow, you guys learned nothing from the last conflict did you, lol. But by making it Palpatine it instantly explains how he could have specifically targeted their known weaknesses to bring them down only to make it more epic when they rose again to defeat him once and for all.
What part of "that's hardly a dealbreaker in a fantasy story" do *you* not understand? Okay technically that's the first time I wrote that sentence but still, lol. So Palpatine is literally the only one who's never allowed to come back? Just "because"? Sauron's return? Fine. Voldemort? Fine. Battling Thanos after he was beheaded? Fine.
But Palpatine, the one guy who openly talked about cheating death?
lol
So let me guess, when Old Ben cheated death and continued to help Luke win the war it was an "insult" to Vader's victory during their lightsaber duel.
Now this I think actually does speak volumes to the bashing of TROS and I'm glad you said it. Because it does show that for many their reviews were already decided on and typed out long before even the first trailer for TROS ever dropped. I came to be with you on criticizing TLJ with the direction that it appeared to have taken the Saga. But I let TROS have the final word on the story and on that it delivered spectacularly (IMO obviously).
And Skynet (and its terminators) were there each time to serve and extend the story of John and/or Sarah Connor.
Didn't all of those other villains initially die (some prior to the events of the main cinematic story) specifically and intentionally so that their return could serve the story *of the main heroes* and the end of their journey? That purposefulness is a far cry from how and why Palpatine was brought back, right?
Wasn't Sauron's return what gave purpose to Frodo's journey with the ring? Wasn't his ultimate death meant to elevate the central character's purpose in the whole trilogy?
And wasn't Voldemort similarly "returned" in order for the main character *of all eight films* to be able to fulfill his journey and destiny?
As for Thanos, wasn't his "return" (within the same film) similarly meant to provide the longstanding MCU heroes (Iron Man being the first) with a triumphant conclusion to their prolonged journey against him?
Palpatine's return, on the other hand, did nothing to elevate the central character of the Skywalker Saga. Whether you believe that to be Luke or Anakin, it sure as **** wasn't supposed to be Rey. So, Palpatine's return actually undermines the collective effort of Luke and Anakin in ROTJ by having no permanence attached to it. Even if they didn't secure everlasting galactic peace (a naive and silly expectation anyway), they accomplished the end of the Sith - or at least Palpatine. But not anymore.
Palpatine was brought back to serve which characters? What Skywalker Saga arcs did it serve?
The answer to that question, when compared to the return of other movie villains, is the reason why people like me object to his return in SW.
In horror movie sequels, the villains are the main characters; and their return is the focus, while the protagonists are interchangeable. With Indy, the movies never suggested that he defeated the Nazis.
Palpatine was in GL's saga to be defeated by Anakin and Luke. That was his purpose. He served that purpose. Bringing him back *for a new hero to defeat* undermines that purpose for some of us. If he was brought back to serve some unresolved character story for Luke and/or Anakin, it wouldn't be as objectionable.
Do you at least understand what I'm saying here? Sometimes it seems like you give no credence to any objection of Palpatine's return. It kinda blows my mind.
Hey Luke and Anakin were there with Rey when she was all the Jedi
