Well good, then you shouldn't have a problem with Rey using the lightning. The Jedi Mind Trick is probably the iffiest of them all which definitely wasn't explained adequately in the film so I use "it was downloaded via the Dyad" head canon on that one but the Sith lightning is super easy to accept. It's not even like she was trying to do that so you can't even say it was a "skill." She screwed up the telekinesis and unleashed a completely different power by mistake.
I'm not telling you that you can't interpret "Force Dyad" being the reason why Rey was able to learn the skills that Ben/Kylo had learned. When I'm giving my opinion that disagrees with yours, all I'm aiming to do is state why I see things the way I do. To *me* the Force Dyad is lame. That's not to say that I think everyone else should think it's lame. Just giving my personal point of view.
To me, shooting Force lightning out of nowhere is ridiculous. For one thing, it leads too easily to an interpretation that Rey inherited dark side powers by virtue of being a Palpatine. For another thing, it suggests that Force-sensitive beings can unwittingly unleash all kinds of crazy powers whenever they can't control their emotions. If that was the case, baby Yoda wouldn't have just *tried* to choke Cara Dune; he would've obliterated her like Rey did with the ship.
And there are plenty of other Anakin-related emotion controlling scenarios where Force lightning would've been flying out of his ass.
So if using Dark Side powers without training is suddenly "off limits" in Star Wars then how do you explain Luke choking the guards in ROTJ? You think there was an off screen training session on Dagobah where Yoda said "okay since you're clearly struggling with basic things like lifting rocks how about I show you one of Darth Vader's favorite death tricks instead? Just promise that you'll never use this because that leads to the Dark Side." Come on now, Luke obviously figured that one out on his own. He also seemed to figure out how to grab the lightsaber in the Wampa cave since Ben never taught him that either.
The Force choking that Luke did is something that I perceive as an extension of telekinesis. If you can "touch" an object without making contact, and move it, then you can squeeze an object in the same way. I don't consider "Force choke" as some kind of separate dark-side power. It's just telekinesis, but not something that a Jedi should be using for obvious reasons.
The Wampa cave showed that there is nothing simple about telekinesis, even for someone who's been practicing the Force relatively untrained for years. And yet we allow that Luke figured it out, and then Broom Boy under your boy RJ.
Like it or not the precedent is there, you can hate it or hand wave it away but it isn't TROS's fault for building on what has already been established.
Yes, you're right, telekinesis as a more "natural/easy" Force ability is something that I can intellectualize that way. But healing, when no other Jedi had healed anyone or anything before? Or extending that to resurrection powers? Or shooting Force lightning? These are all much more "active" powers that go beyond simply "reaching out" and pulling objects with your mind while concentrating. Hell, I tried to do it as kid.
It's an interesting idea, but one that I'm not particularly fond of. To me it gets into "Dark Fate" territory where massive victories can just be undone only to repeat the struggle all over again "just because." (I'm not saying that you said "just because" but narratively it feels that way to me when they go that route.)
Fair enough. We simply see the "balance" issue differently. I won't bore you with how I think it's not actually as fatalistic as you suggest.
No, *you're* blindly hating, *they* are just idiots.
I don't lump you in with them.
Thanks.
Because it literally doesn't. Not only would that contradict TLJ but in TROS itself Rey learned that "only two were made" from Lando, not the texts. Lando obviously learned that from Luke, who was searching for them based on knowledge he had acquired outside of the books. If Luke knew that "two were made" from the same books the Rey was reading then she would have already known that too.
I honestly believe that the TROS filmmakers intended to suggest that Luke read the texts (at least in part). We'll just agree to disagree.
...but misunderstanding the Yoda/Luke exchange in TLJ? A wizard should know better.
To quote my man Reagan: "There you go again."
I'm not misinterpreting the TLJ scene between Luke and Yoda.
If anything, it's *Abrams and Terrio* who you should be accusing of misinterpreting TLJ.
TLJ tells us that Luke did not read them or at least not all of them.
I think TROS suggests that Luke probably looked through the Jedi text.. Perhaps the Wayfinder was in chapter 1.
That's fine.
Look JAWS, the whole point I was making was about Rey learning Force healing from those texts. I think it causes too many problems (those texts having been the basis for Jedi teachings). So, I agree with your take on it that a better explanation is that Rey knew how to heal by way of Palpatine lineage and being "chosen" by the Force to be particularly powerful.
My main thing is that I don't like where they've been taking Force powers relative to how they were presented in the OT and PT. Rey shouldn't have been doing Jedi mind tricks and instinctively using Force lightning. Broom Boy shouldn't have been pulling that broom. Baby Yoda shouldn't be lifting a mudhorn with telekenesis. Ben Solo shouldn't just (somehow) know how to raise someone from the dead.
Do these things make me hate TFA, TLJ, and Mandalorian? No. But I'd prefer if these things hadn't been put on screen. One of the easiest ways for me to lose interest in SW is by turning Force users into super-powered Neo-like gods. Not interested; too far from the OT.
