Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER
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So just to make sure Ducky.. With your logic you are willing to admit that AOTC and TPM are the two worst SW films ever!
Sure I give them crap.. There is lots of crap to give. But have also spoken well of the films and don't question peoples loyalty or pretend to not understand why people like them.
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jye4ever
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ROTS has the lamest representation of Vader in the entire saga with ROTJ being the 2nd lamest.
ROTS Vader fought children not even adolescents or teens BUT little children!
He killed broom boy lol
Damn ROTS even beat TLJ with having a broom boy!
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ROTS Vader fought children not even adolescents or teens BUT little children!
He killed broom boy lol
Damn ROTS even beat TLJ with having a broom boy!
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ROTS has the lamest representation of Vader in the entire saga with ROTJ being the 2nd lamest.
ROTS Vader fought children not even adolescents or teens BUT little children!
He killed broom boy lol
Damn ROTS even beat TLJ with having a broom boy!
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Broom Boy.. Man I just don't think I am going to enjoy my upcoming viewing of TLJ.
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Apparently he has a name, it's Temiri Blagg. He grows up to add a roomba vacuuming feature to all imperial mouse droids.
Just to add to a comment that the Ducky and Jaws have made in relation to Rotten Tomatoes, there is without a doubt some form of 'meddling' to the scores that they allow for new movies.
The Ducky gave the example of the audience score for TROS and he is absolutely correct that after the first few days of it being live it did not budge despite thousands and thousands of further reviews being added to the site ... a very unlikely mathematical outcome. RT also does not count scores below 1 so if you rate it 1/2 that is not included in their metric (check the TLJ audience reviews to see how many people rated it 1/2 as the lowest score on offer).
Studios have seemingly realised that general audiences seem to put a lot of stock into the ratings of RT so it can massively damage a movie if immediately after opening weekend it is trashed by the audience and / or critics (I assume that audience score is probably more relevant to Star Wars fans than critic score at this point as many don't trust the critics after the super fresh rating TLJ received). With more recent movies the audience score now does not even go live until after that first weekend.
Critics are also incentivised to an extent into giving big studio films a more positive write-up because if they don't then they risk saying good bye to the relationship that they enjoy with that particular studio going forward (including any more preview screenings or other press privileges they may have had access to) which is not good for the reviewer or their employer. Studios are going to favour critics who do good by them and because of the modern age of online sources there is no shortage of critics to choose from. Paid critics seem reluctant to break rank and make an individual of themselves and their viewpoint.
I add also that studios don't really care about the rating that old movies receive like the PT - those movies have had their box office so a less favourable RT is not really going to impact upon their financial success going forward.
The Ducky gave the example of the audience score for TROS and he is absolutely correct that after the first few days of it being live it did not budge despite thousands and thousands of further reviews being added to the site ... a very unlikely mathematical outcome. RT also does not count scores below 1 so if you rate it 1/2 that is not included in their metric (check the TLJ audience reviews to see how many people rated it 1/2 as the lowest score on offer).
Studios have seemingly realised that general audiences seem to put a lot of stock into the ratings of RT so it can massively damage a movie if immediately after opening weekend it is trashed by the audience and / or critics (I assume that audience score is probably more relevant to Star Wars fans than critic score at this point as many don't trust the critics after the super fresh rating TLJ received). With more recent movies the audience score now does not even go live until after that first weekend.
Critics are also incentivised to an extent into giving big studio films a more positive write-up because if they don't then they risk saying good bye to the relationship that they enjoy with that particular studio going forward (including any more preview screenings or other press privileges they may have had access to) which is not good for the reviewer or their employer. Studios are going to favour critics who do good by them and because of the modern age of online sources there is no shortage of critics to choose from. Paid critics seem reluctant to break rank and make an individual of themselves and their viewpoint.
I add also that studios don't really care about the rating that old movies receive like the PT - those movies have had their box office so a less favourable RT is not really going to impact upon their financial success going forward.
punisher1974
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Kinda fitting though. Universal being trolling the websites and the movie sites with their sales figures.
The ST has not been well received, especially by the vast majority of long time fans of the franchise. It's been well documented in the media. The films after TLJ have all underperformed at the box. A trilogy just wrapped and toy companies won't even touch the ST. There is a brand new theme park that failed miserably. The Star Wars brand popularity has taken a huge hit because of Kennedy. Own it. These are documented FACTS even you can't deny. It's pathetic Khev, it really is.
Cases in point.
Ha ha, great point. He really screwed himself with that one didn't he, lol. Live by polls, die by polls. He now is forced to admit that 2/3 of the PT are dead last and horrible and that it is a "proven fact" that it is so.
Trolls 2 is like the pop tart that goes off in a Quentin Tarantino movie during a Mexican Stand-off that causes everyone to just start shooting and killing each other, lol.
jye4ever
Broke and happy
OMG, that is insane! I would have paid good money to see/hear your neighbors' reactions as that was carried into your house.
I tried recently when all 3 were on TNT. I started watching AOTC and had to turn it off - it was still as cringeworthy as I remembered from back in the day. I'm considering giving ROTS another try - I know that when it was released I liked it more than AOTC, but that's not exactly high praise...
I'm still of the opinion that we'd have been better served if the ST was filmed/released 20 years ago rather than a set of prequels. You could have told the same basic story only Ford, Hamill and Fisher would have been middle aged rather than approaching their dotage. Not to mention the odds would be in favor of all of them living through the entire production schedule.
Neal136
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Here are the ratings for each film, per IMDB:
TESB - 8.7
ANH - 8.6
ROTJ - 8.3
TFA - 7.9
RO - 7.8
ROTS - 7.5
TLJ - 7.0
Solo - 6.9
TROS - 6.7
AOTC - 6.5
TPM - 6.5
Something else to think about ...
TESB - 8.7
ANH - 8.6
ROTJ - 8.3
TFA - 7.9
RO - 7.8
ROTS - 7.5
TLJ - 7.0
Solo - 6.9
TROS - 6.7
AOTC - 6.5
TPM - 6.5
Something else to think about ...
If Arnold's acting ruined Conan when everything else in that movie was perfect I can't even imagine your reaction to the PT, lol.
Yeah in a perfect world we would have had a younger Luke and Leia facing Palpatine on Exegol but unfortunately even if George did film the ST with the original actors 20 years ago he would have done just as crappy a job as he did with the PT and everything would have been low-res CGI and green screen with Ben Solo being played by Jake Lloyd, etc.
I was thinking it would have been Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman as Ben & Rey. IMO HD wouldn't have pulled off Ben's redemption arc as well as Adam Driver did (simply not as good an actor), but I could have gotten behind a bare midriff Portman wielding a lightsaber.
Yikes, lol. If we did get the exact ST but simply 20 years earlier with Han, Luke, and Leia playing their same roles then an early 2000's Joaquin Phoenix and Keira Knightley would have been nice fill ins for Ben and Rey.
I've got 4K TPM on in the background while I work right now. It really is does have a fun third act that never gets old, IMO.
Well yes, they would be good, but I thought we were assuming GL was making them and he'd make more of the same casting mistakes.
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