Watching the TROS again, I can see why it has so much blacklash. It felt like the flow was so rushed .
Even though Rey was the main focus of the trilogy , even her parts and scenes seemed like everything was moving too fast with no substance .
I wonder why Abrams felt he had rush the plot
Watching the TROS again, I can see why it has so much blacklash. It felt like the flow was so rushed .
Even though Rey was the main focus of the trilogy , even her parts and scenes seemed like everything was moving too fast with no substance .
I wonder why Abrams felt he had rush the plot
And "up to the viewer" is perfect. Everybody gets whatever version of Vader they think works best at the end of ESB.
For me, it's not even so much a "softening" of Vader at that point as it is simply the *beginning* of an inner conflict. In my mind, Vader didn't do anything nearly as dramatic as flipping a switch and start abandoning his connection with the dark side. But I think he was confronting feelings he wouldn't have been conflicted by for two decades.
I know that this is going to seem like I'm making way too much out of it, but I'll say it anyway. When Luke chose to fall (perhaps to his death) rather than join the dark side, Vader/Anakin was literally watching his son going to a complete extreme to make the opposite choice from what Anakin did 20 years earlier. I imagine somewhere in Vader's head he was thinking, "my kid is stronger/better than I was."
Whatever Vader thought of Luke before their Bespin duel *had* to change by the end of the film, IMO. And I think it made him reflect introspectively when comparing himself to his son. Seeing his own flesh and blood choose another path wouldn't "soften" Vader, but I think it would cause him to recognize what might've been had his own choices gone a different way. He could've raised that son who had just earned his respect (presumably).
Vader was sincere in ROTJ when he told Luke, "it's too late for me, son" but he knew that it wasn't too late for Luke. So for me, that last scene in ESB is Vader questioning how hard he should try to bring Luke into the dark side. That bit of conflict is a new wrinkle in the Vader persona. Just my take, of course.
And totally understandable. Apart from film quality, even just the increasing level of mental gymnastics it takes to make everything cohesive is aggravating.
Your consistent and steadfast rejection of the non-OT movies is unshakable.
Palpatine also had a "skunkworks" where he experimented with cybernetic beings to find a worthy replacement for Vader - including this Mon Cal/Grievous hybrid:
And when Vader hired Fett, the comics had their own "rhyming moment":
Watching the TROS again, I can see why it has so much blacklash. It felt like the flow was so rushed .
Even though Rey was the main focus of the trilogy , even her parts and scenes seemed like everything was moving too fast with no substance .
I wonder why Abrams felt he had rush the plot
If you believe the new canon as shown in the comics (many don't) the conflict begins immediately after ANH when Boba Fett tracks down Luke's identity. Vader then returns to Tatooine, locates Ben's hut, kills some more Sandpeople...
Yes. Another contradiction in the comics: Vader's armor was designed by a cybernetics expert who attained immortality through a series of clone bodies. If he had that technology, why didn't Palpatine? (Well, you could argue he did in TROS, though wasn't it more the work of the Sith Eternal?)
Palpatine also had a "skunkworks" where he experimented with cybernetic beings to find a worthy replacement for Vader - including this Mon Cal/Grievous hybrid:
And when Vader hired Fett, the comics had their own "rhyming moment":
And when Vader hired Fett, the comics had their own "rhyming moment":
Lucas' own "rhyme" with Luke's entrance was much better.
Yeah, there's a good bit of difference between even a Lucas "rhyme" and just a blatant copy-and-paste without any subtlety whatsoever.
When Lucas said the infamous "it's like poetry, they rhyme," he was using the comparison between Anakin blowing up the control station and Luke blowing up the Death Star. But if you took the approach of that comic, it'd be little Anakin going through a trench run and having Qui-Gon's voice tell him to use the Force before firing a shot into a small exhaust port.
I bet Vader followed up his beat-for-beat return to Tatooine and visit to Jabba's palace by then landing on Endor for the first time and having to jump onto the back of a speeder bike for a tandem chase through the woods.
