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Not sure what possessed a sequel (to save Vader for) when myth has it that no one liked George's little movie.



Hobbits in Space?

Can I offer a dissenting opinion? There seems to be a profound need everywhere to admire Star Wars, and a resentment of any response other than loving affection. Star Wars, written and directed by George Lucas, is engaging, brilliantly designed, acted with real charm, full of verve and visual ingenuity. It's also totally unoriginal, feebly plotted, instantly forgettable and an acoustic nightmare - the electronic sound-wall wrapped around the audience is so over-amplified that every footfall sounds like Krakatoa.

In that case, why all the fuss? And what does the amazing success of Star Wars indicate, for good or ill, about the future of s-f cinema? Although slightly biased, I firmly believe that science fiction is the true literature of the twentieth century, and probably the last literary form to exist before the death of the written word and the domination of the visual image. S-f has been one of the few forms of modern fiction explicitly concerned with change - social, technological and environmental - and certainly the only fiction to invent society's myths, dreams and utopias. Why, then, has it translated so uneasily into the cinema? Unlike the western, which long ago took over the literary form and now exists in its own right, the s-f film has never really been more than an offshoot of its literary precursor, which to date has provided all the ideas, themes and inventiveness. S-f cinema has been notoriously prone to cycles of exploitation and neglect, unsatisfactory mergings with horror films, thrillers, environmental and disaster movies.

The most popular form of s-f - space fiction - has been the least successful of all cinematically, until 2001 and Star Wars, for the obvious reason that the special effects available were hopelessly inadequate. Surprisingly, s-f is one of the most literary forms of all fiction, and the best s-f films - Them!, Dr Cyclops, The Incredible Shrinking Man, Alphaville, Last Year in Marienbad (not a capricious choice, its themes are time, space and identity, s-f's triple pillars), Dr Strangelove, The Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Barbarella and Solaris - and the brave failures such as The Thing, Seconds and The Man who Fell to Earth - have all made use of comparatively modest special effects and relied on strongly imaginative ideas, and on ingenuity, wit and fantasy.

With Star Wars the pendulum seems to be swinging the other way, towards huge but empty spectacles where special effects - like the brilliantly designed space vehicles and their interiors in both Star Wars and 2001 - preside over derivative ideas and unoriginal plots, as in some massively financed stage musical where the sets and costumes are lavish but there are no tunes. I can't help feeling that in both these films the spectacular sets are the real subject matter, and that original and imaginative ideas - until now science fiction's chief claim to fame - are regarded by their makers as secondary, unimportant and even, possibly, distracting.

Star Wars in particular seems designed to appeal to that huge untapped audience of people who have never read or been particularly interested in s-f but have absorbed its superficial ideas - space ships, ray guns, blue corridors, the future as anything with a fin on it - from comic strips, TV shows like Star Trek and Thunderbirds, and the iconography of mass merchandising.

The visual ideas in Star Wars are ingenious and entertaining.Ironically it's only now that the technology of the cinema is sufficiently advanced to represent an advanced technology in decline. I liked the super-technologies already beginning to rust around the edges, the pirate starship like an old tramp steamer, the dented robots with IQs higher than Einstein's which resembled beat-up De Sotos in Athens or Havana with half a million miles on the clock. I liked the way large sections of the action were seen through computerized head-up displays which provided information about closing speeds and impact velocities that makes everyone in the audience feel like a Phantom Pilot on a Hanoi bombing run.

In passing, the reference to Vietnam isn't undeserved - the slaughter in Star Wars, quite apart from the destruction of an entire planet, is unrelieved for two hours, and at times stacks the corpses halfway up the screen. Losing track of this huge bodycount, I thought at first that the film might be some weird, unintentional parable of the US involvement with Vietnam, with the plucky hero from the backward planet and his scratch force of reject robots and gook-like extraterrestrials fighting bravely against the evil and all-destructive super-technology of the Galactic Empire. Whatever the truth, it's strange that the film gets a U certificate - two hours of Star Wars must be one of the most efficient means of weaning your pre-teen child from any fear of, or sensitivity towards, the deaths of others.

All the same, as a technological pantomime Star Wars makes a certain amount of sense. There's the good fairy, Alec Guinness, with his laser-wand and a smooth line in morally uplifting chat; the pantomime dame/wicked witch, the Dark Lord Darth Vader, with black Nazi helmet, leather face-mask and computerized surgical truss; the principle boy, the apparently masculine robot R2D2 who in fact conceals a coded holographic image of Princess Leia, which he now and then projects like a Palladium **** Whittington flashing her thighs.

However, George Lucas has gone badly astray with his supporting cast - what looks like an attempted tour de force, the parade of extraterrestrials in the frontier-planet saloon, comes on hilariously like the Muppet Show, with shaggy monsters growling and rolling their eyeballs. I almost expected Kermit and Miss Piggy to swoop in and introduce Bruce Forsyth.

What is missing in all this is any hard imaginative core. Star Wars is the first totally unserious s-f film. Even a bad episode of Star Trek or Dr Who has the grain of an original idea, and the vast interplanetary and technological perspectives of 2001 were at least put to the service of a steadily expanding cosmic vision. The most one can hope, I think, is that the technical expertise now exists to make a really great s-f film. Star Wars, in this sense, is a huge test-card, a demonstration film of s-f movie possibilities.

20th Century-Fox's advance publicity describes the modern motion picture as 'the most magnificent toy ever invented for grown men to play with and express their fantasies' - presumably with Lucas's approval, and Star Wars may well be more prophetic than I give it credit for. In many ways it is the ultimate home movie, in which Lucas goes back into his toy cupboard and plays with all his boyhood fantasies, fitting together a collection of stuffed toys, video games and plastic spaceships into this ten-year-old's extravaganza, back to the days, as he himself says, when he 'dreamed about running away and having adventures that no one else has ever had'.

JG Ballard
Time Out
1977



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At least your mom didn't throw them away. My mother threw away all of the SW and all of the Masters of the Universe toys because of some crazy dude saying they were evil or something. Still, she had no trouble buying me Ghostbusters, Rambo, Robocop, TMNT, and Batman toys :lol

Star Wars is the Devil.

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I never went that far into it. I never bought multiples of figures unless it was Vader or Fett. I only bought what I considered "cool ones" like that Han Solo in carbonite. The red cards were my favorite.

Remember seeing this for the first time and thinking, "coooooool". C-3PO was hard as **** to find too.



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3PO, R2 and Kenobi were the only decent figures. The rest, garbage. People paid out the ass for varients: long saber, short saber, short saber with long tray. Boba Fett with 3 shoe laces. All worthless garbage.

Did you get Fruit Loops Han Solo in Stormtrooper disguise? I did and I didn't even eat that ****. :lol




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I remember that. Also remember seeing all the Proof of Purchase's ripped off of Fruit Loops boxes in the stores. lol, star wars people.
 
I never went that far into it. I never bought multiples of figures unless it was Vader or Fett. I only bought what I considered "cool ones" like that Han Solo in carbonite. The red cards were my favorite.

Remember seeing this for the first time and thinking, "coooooool". C-3PO was hard as **** to find too.



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Yep, I spent a lot of time staring at those leaflets that were being packaged with various kenner toys with those images^

Although my very first awareness that Star Wars figures were coming back was actually seeing them in store, did a double-take when I saw the Millenium Falcon, could not believe it. My older brothers' one was a discoloured and battered shell with almost everything missing but I still played with it - finally I would have a proper one. And then when I eventually got it, in my haste I put the damn stickers on wrong which pissed me off for years later until the OTC version came out.
 
I never went that far into it. I never bought multiples of figures unless it was Vader or Fett. I only bought what I considered "cool ones" like that Han Solo in carbonite. The red cards were my favorite.

Remember seeing this for the first time and thinking, "coooooool". C-3PO was hard as **** to find too.



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Didn't buy a single one. Just couldn't get past the "He-Man" body types after having most of the originals. I guess I was an elitist even before the SE's. Regarding the SE's though, the thing that frustrated me the most about them, okay two things: 1. That George never released the originals again and 2. I was really into the principle of them! After Jurassic Park it blew my mind that we were going to see "Star Wars" with THOSE kinds of effects replacing the ones from the 70's. I had total faith in Lucas and assumed that SW was going to get better in every way. But then for every "enhancement" they screwed something else up, turned them into total mixed bags, and if they were going to be mixed bags then I might as well just go back to the originals because at least everything was consistent throughout.
 
3PO, R2 and Kenobi were the only decent figures. The rest, garbage. People paid out the ass for varients: long saber, short saber, short saber with long tray. Boba Fett with 3 shoe laces. All worthless garbage.



I remember that. Also remember seeing all the Proof of Purchase's ripped off of Fruit Loops boxes in the stores. lol, star wars people.

:lol

I believe Boba Fett had different gloves...or something on the gloves was different on certain figures. :lol
 
In the early 80's there was a guy saying He-Man, SW, the Smurfs and a bunch of other stuff were evil, and my mother who wasn't very religious thought, I don't want that stuff in my house. She took all his stuff, put them in a bag, and out they went. By the early 80's my brother wasn't into figures anyway, he was more interested in the early 80's "devil" music, heavy metal...ironically, my mom had no problems with that either :dunno :lol

Moms are so weird.
 
Hobbits in Space?

Can I offer a dissenting opinion? There seems to be a profound need everywhere to admire Star Wars, and a resentment of any response other than loving affection. Star Wars, written and directed by George Lucas, is engaging, brilliantly designed, acted with real charm, full of verve and visual ingenuity. It's also totally unoriginal, feebly plotted, instantly forgettable and an acoustic nightmare - the electronic sound-wall wrapped around the audience is so over-amplified that every footfall sounds like Krakatoa.

In that case, why all the fuss? And what does the amazing success of Star Wars indicate, for good or ill, about the future of s-f cinema? Although slightly biased, I firmly believe that science fiction is the true literature of the twentieth century, and probably the last literary form to exist before the death of the written word and the domination of the visual image. S-f has been one of the few forms of modern fiction explicitly concerned with change - social, technological and environmental - and certainly the only fiction to invent society's myths, dreams and utopias. Why, then, has it translated so uneasily into the cinema? Unlike the western, which long ago took over the literary form and now exists in its own right, the s-f film has never really been more than an offshoot of its literary precursor, which to date has provided all the ideas, themes and inventiveness. S-f cinema has been notoriously prone to cycles of exploitation and neglect, unsatisfactory mergings with horror films, thrillers, environmental and disaster movies.

The most popular form of s-f - space fiction - has been the least successful of all cinematically, until 2001 and Star Wars, for the obvious reason that the special effects available were hopelessly inadequate. Surprisingly, s-f is one of the most literary forms of all fiction, and the best s-f films - Them!, Dr Cyclops, The Incredible Shrinking Man, Alphaville, Last Year in Marienbad (not a capricious choice, its themes are time, space and identity, s-f's triple pillars), Dr Strangelove, The Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Barbarella and Solaris - and the brave failures such as The Thing, Seconds and The Man who Fell to Earth - have all made use of comparatively modest special effects and relied on strongly imaginative ideas, and on ingenuity, wit and fantasy.

With Star Wars the pendulum seems to be swinging the other way, towards huge but empty spectacles where special effects - like the brilliantly designed space vehicles and their interiors in both Star Wars and 2001 - preside over derivative ideas and unoriginal plots, as in some massively financed stage musical where the sets and costumes are lavish but there are no tunes. I can't help feeling that in both these films the spectacular sets are the real subject matter, and that original and imaginative ideas - until now science fiction's chief claim to fame - are regarded by their makers as secondary, unimportant and even, possibly, distracting.

Star Wars in particular seems designed to appeal to that huge untapped audience of people who have never read or been particularly interested in s-f but have absorbed its superficial ideas - space ships, ray guns, blue corridors, the future as anything with a fin on it - from comic strips, TV shows like Star Trek and Thunderbirds, and the iconography of mass merchandising.

The visual ideas in Star Wars are ingenious and entertaining.Ironically it's only now that the technology of the cinema is sufficiently advanced to represent an advanced technology in decline. I liked the super-technologies already beginning to rust around the edges, the pirate starship like an old tramp steamer, the dented robots with IQs higher than Einstein's which resembled beat-up De Sotos in Athens or Havana with half a million miles on the clock. I liked the way large sections of the action were seen through computerized head-up displays which provided information about closing speeds and impact velocities that makes everyone in the audience feel like a Phantom Pilot on a Hanoi bombing run.

In passing, the reference to Vietnam isn't undeserved - the slaughter in Star Wars, quite apart from the destruction of an entire planet, is unrelieved for two hours, and at times stacks the corpses halfway up the screen. Losing track of this huge bodycount, I thought at first that the film might be some weird, unintentional parable of the US involvement with Vietnam, with the plucky hero from the backward planet and his scratch force of reject robots and gook-like extraterrestrials fighting bravely against the evil and all-destructive super-technology of the Galactic Empire. Whatever the truth, it's strange that the film gets a U certificate - two hours of Star Wars must be one of the most efficient means of weaning your pre-teen child from any fear of, or sensitivity towards, the deaths of others.

All the same, as a technological pantomime Star Wars makes a certain amount of sense. There's the good fairy, Alec Guinness, with his laser-wand and a smooth line in morally uplifting chat; the pantomime dame/wicked witch, the Dark Lord Darth Vader, with black Nazi helmet, leather face-mask and computerized surgical truss; the principle boy, the apparently masculine robot R2D2 who in fact conceals a coded holographic image of Princess Leia, which he now and then projects like a Palladium **** Whittington flashing her thighs.

However, George Lucas has gone badly astray with his supporting cast - what looks like an attempted tour de force, the parade of extraterrestrials in the frontier-planet saloon, comes on hilariously like the Muppet Show, with shaggy monsters growling and rolling their eyeballs. I almost expected Kermit and Miss Piggy to swoop in and introduce Bruce Forsyth.

What is missing in all this is any hard imaginative core. Star Wars is the first totally unserious s-f film. Even a bad episode of Star Trek or Dr Who has the grain of an original idea, and the vast interplanetary and technological perspectives of 2001 were at least put to the service of a steadily expanding cosmic vision. The most one can hope, I think, is that the technical expertise now exists to make a really great s-f film. Star Wars, in this sense, is a huge test-card, a demonstration film of s-f movie possibilities.

20th Century-Fox's advance publicity describes the modern motion picture as 'the most magnificent toy ever invented for grown men to play with and express their fantasies' - presumably with Lucas's approval, and Star Wars may well be more prophetic than I give it credit for. In many ways it is the ultimate home movie, in which Lucas goes back into his toy cupboard and plays with all his boyhood fantasies, fitting together a collection of stuffed toys, video games and plastic spaceships into this ten-year-old's extravaganza, back to the days, as he himself says, when he 'dreamed about running away and having adventures that no one else has ever had'.

JG Ballard
Time Out
1977



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I actually read that. He's probably right.

One thing Ballard got wrong was his title. Rather than "Time Out" it should be "Time Will Tell"... and boy has it.
 
Hobbits in Space?

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I wasn't going to read all that, until I saw Ballard's name at the bottom.

He was right, of course. Compared to his own thought provoking science fiction Star Wars is a pile of garbage.

But it's good garbage. It's our garbage.
 
I actually read that. He's probably right.

One thing Ballard got wrong was his title. Rather than "Time Out" it should be "Time Will Tell"... and boy has it.


The title of his review is "Hobbits In Space?"

Time Out was the name of the publication source.

In Ep. 7, Anakin/Luke's lightsaber literally calls out to Rey just like the Ring to Frodo . . .


When one looks up "prescient" in the dictionary, there should be a picture of Ballard . . . :lecture
(looking forward to the upcoming High Rise)







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PotF2 and that 1995 VHS boxset are my favorite pieces of Star Wars merchandise ever. Thanks for the memories.

EDIT - Oh I need to include Dark Forces and Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II in my list of most important Star Wars merchandise ever. Love those games.
 
PotF2 and that 1995 VHS boxset are my favorite pieces of Star Wars merchandise ever. Thanks for the memories.

EDIT - Oh I need to include Dark Forces and Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II in my list of most important Star Wars merchandise ever. Love those games.

I thought this was going to be the ultimate boxset :lol

In a way it was, since it lacked all the extra CGI stuff.

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I didn't know there was film coming.


Been in development hell since the 70s.





Snowpiercer may have stolen some thunder, but this could still be a masterpiece. The book certainly is.



"The future is already here, it's just not evenly distributed." -- William Gibson

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Oh I need to include Dark Forces and Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II in my list of most important Star Wars merchandise ever. Love those games.

I remember getting frustrated with that The Falling Ship level in Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II. Some of the environments in those levels were a pain in the ass to get through, especially if you tried to get all the secret areas.
 
I never bought that interpretation of movie making though. Almost any movie looks like incoherent crap if you just look at dailies. You have to know on set what you need to get and get it. Not easy. If they got good stuff in the can that day, then it was no accident.
This is why Editors are always paid so much respect when Oscar time rolls around......

-Main Mcguffin-like character who is a pivotal point in the existence of main antagonist and who is implied could aid in fixing the situation is revealed at the very end of the movie.
-One of the co-protagonists is left in a comma with a halfassed goodbye from the other protagonist and an unfinished arc.
-The other protagonist also has an unfinished arc.
-Movie literally states main antagonist still has development left, another unfinished arc.

As opposed to:
-All protagonists in ANH complete a personal arc

Yeah no, totally.
Well you are comparing a movie never intended to have a sequel to a movie that is part of a trilogy. Thats why I am fine with unanswered questions and plot hole to ruminate over....the arcs will carry over 6 hours instead of 2. I am happy with that, should provide for much more depth and interest. Very few movies achieve a huge level of character development in 2 hours (like JaWS) . Most audienced would not stand for that much exposition ....they want sex , laughs and action in a movie.

Compareing Apples and Oranges here...
Went to see all the SE at the NYC Ziegfeld, oh man was that incredible leading up to 99.

SE are not 100% garbage.

Most noticeable added scenes are terrible....filled with that Lucas humor. The best thing done with the SE was the effects cleanup. Hoth battle looks so much better without all those black lines. ROTJ missing all that matte boxes during second death Star fight.

But some things are unforgivable.

Greedo shot first
Jabba and the tail crush.
The "NO !" Added to Luke electro shock therapy.
The scream added to Luke's bungie dive in Bespin.
The new Jabba band.


At least your mom didn't throw them away. My mother threw away all of the SW and all of the Masters of the Universe toys because of some crazy dude saying they were evil or something. Still, she had no trouble buying me Ghostbusters, Rambo, Robocop, TMNT, and Batman toys :lol

Just finished selling off my original collection for over 10K. The entire PT collection didn't bring in as much as my single opened but complete Imperial Shuttle. Collecting as investments is over even for Hot Toys...if it ever existed.

Did you get Fruit Loops Han Solo in Stormtrooper disguise? I did and I didn't even eat that ****. :lol

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Yes had all the cereal offers....ghost shaw figure included.

I think I have almost every VHS variant from Day 1. Now, I don't even have a VHS player. :lol

Yeah I keep wondering what gonna replace my PLEX server. I would love to have the original SW and SE on it.
 
Just finished selling off my original collection for over 10K. The entire PT collection didn't bring in as much as my single opened but complete Imperial Shuttle. Collecting as investments is over even for Hot Toys...if it ever existed.

I didn't buy a single figure from the PT, just two lightsabers, and the Taco Bell R2D2 and Yoda "collectible" cups. Those are pretty cool.
 
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