Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[Niltusk]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

I don't think I made it past the opening space battle on my last attempt to watch ROTS.

You should FF, because everytime I see Vader on the bridge at the end, I have an overwhelming urge to put Star Wars in. Ironically (or not surpisingly) the end of the series is the best part.

 

[a-dev]

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You should FF, because everytime I see Vader on the bridge at the end, I have an overwhelming urge to put Star Wars in. Ironically (or not surpisingly) the end of the series is the best part.

Or I could just put Star Wars on in the first place and skip that POS entirely.

For me there's no good part that could possibly redeem the overall failure that the PT was and ROTS in particular IMO.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

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RotS is my favorite because you don't have to sit through all the boring and childish crap in TPM and AotC. Straight to the Sith vs Jedi action.

Darth Maul is still the best thing about the PT though IMO. That and the score of the 3 films.

 

[DiFabio]

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I was just looking back at this,


https://www.deseretnews.com/article/654672/Phantom-Menace-Title-baffles-Star-Wars-fans.html?pg=all


Remember when everyone was pissed about the title? I love the little "maybe if the movie starred Commander Cody . . . then it wouldn't be a bad title."

 

[CelticPredator]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

ROTS is pretty childish. Especially the opening.

 

[Niltusk]

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I was just looking back at this,


https://www.deseretnews.com/article/654672/Phantom-Menace-Title-baffles-Star-Wars-fans.html?pg=all


Remember when everyone was pissed about the title? I love the little "maybe if the movie starred Commander Cody . . . then it wouldn't be a bad title."

Ok, thats a creepy typo considering that Ep.2 introduced Commander Cody based off that character the author was talking about.

 

[a-dev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

ROTS is pretty childish. Especially the opening.

Part of the reason I can't get through it. The laughable Grievious character, the R2 slapstick, the comedy battle droids...palpatine's weird faces. As bad as anything in TPM.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

I always skip straight to the kids being ****ing slaughtered, then the duel.

 

[Niltusk]

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I always skip straight to the kids being ****ing slaughtered, then the duel.

I also enjoy the Order 66 stuff.

 

[CelticPredator]

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That stuff is actually OK. But ONLY because of Williams' score.

 

[a-dev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

That stuff is actually OK. But ONLY because of Williams' score.

I just can't help but watch those bits and lament the fact that none of it is anywhere near as affecting as it should have been.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

ROTS is pretty childish. Especially the opening.

Part of the reason I can't get through it. The laughable Grievious character, the R2 slapstick, the comedy battle droids...palpatine's weird faces. As bad as anything in TPM.

Sure it has it's cheesy and childish moments sprinkled in, but it's nothing compared to TPM.

Young Anakin and Padme moments, pod race, Anakin flying around in the starfighter shouting "Woah!", "That's gotta hurt", "Uh oh!"...etc.

Oh and don't forget Jar Jar.

I don't think I'll ever be able to sit through that **** again. The only reason to watch TPM is for the duel of the fates.

Grievous might have been a bit goofy, but at least his design is very visually appealing. The retarded battle droid moments and R2 "humor" make up a very small percentage of RotS whereas in TPM young Anakin is in practically every damn scene.


I think the majority of the PT is absolute garbage, but it's not all bad. I thought Ian McDiarmid was fantastic, and we get to see a lot more of him in RotS than in the other two.

Lightsaber battles for the most part were well-choreographed. Certainly better than the OT despite what the purists might think. I love the OT, but I was never awed at the Luke vs Vader lightsaber duels. Hell, I've seen more athletic/agile sword fights. Just looks like two people trying to wack each other with sticks, very slowly.

I remember seeing the duel of the fates for the first time and thinking "THIS is what a Sith vs Jedi battle should look like". They're not just normal humans, they're galactic warriors that have the power to move objects as well as themselves, and wield weightless weapons that can cut through steel. There should be high jumps and swift spins. They should be moving much faster than a normal person could.

 

[Niltusk]

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Sure it has it's cheesy and childish moments sprinkled in, but it's nothing compared to TPM.

Young Anakin and Padme moments, pod race, Anakin flying around in the starfighter shouting "Woah!", "That's gotta hurt", "Uh oh!"...etc.

Oh and don't forget Jar Jar.

I don't think I'll ever be able to sit through that **** again. The only reason to watch TPM is for the duel of the fates.

Grievous might have been a bit goofy, but at least his design is very visually appealing. The retarded battle droid moments and R2 "humor" make up a very small percentage of RotS whereas in TPM young Anakin is in practically every damn scene.


I think the majority of the PT is absolute garbage, but it's not all bad. I thought Ian McDiarmid was fantastic, and we get to see a lot more of him in RotS than in the other two.

Lightsaber battles for the most part were well-choreographed. Certainly better than the OT despite what the purists might think. I love the OT, but I was never awed at the Luke vs Vader lightsaber duels. Hell, I've seen more athletic/agile sword fights. Just looks like two people trying to wack each other with sticks, very slowly.

I remember seeing the duel of the fates for the first time and thinking "THIS is what a Sith vs Jedi battle should look like". They're not just normal humans, they're galactic warriors that have the power to move objects as well as themselves, and wield weightless weapons that can cut through steel. There should be high jumps and swift spins. They should be moving much faster than a normal person could.

Jar Jar wasn't even the worse part of TPM,although he does make Ewoks look ****ing brilliant!

Wading through the whole crap on Tatooine, " I'm a person and I have a name", "Are you an Angel?", Lets have a gay go cart space race take up an inordinate amount of time in this film just to heap onto the suck.

 

[CelticPredator]

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Everyone knows TPM sucks. But like I said, it's a real film. And not some egomanic's lazy dream job.

 

[Niltusk]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

Everyone knows TPM sucks. But like I said, it's a real film. And not some egomanic's lazy dream job.

I know, you rightly labeled them all turds, were just discussing the texture and amount of corn in each at this point.

I believe bny cutting out about 75% of each movie you could make a damn fine... something. Guess it wouldn't make much sense as much as I'd cut out of each one.

 

[CelticPredator]

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I would keep 5 minutes from each film. There's about 5 minutes worth of decent in each one.

 

[Niltusk]

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I would keep 5 minutes from each film. There's about 5 minutes worth of decent in each one.

If I were to make a 15 minute movie then heres how I'd cut it down
TPM: Reactor fight maul vs Jedi
AotC: ObiWan vs Jango on Kamino
RotS: Order 66

I know people love the Obi/Anakin duel, but Order 66 was the ultimate for me, I love the way they carried it out, thought the music, staging, everything ws perfect.

 

[CelticPredator]

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Mine's about the same, actually. But 10 minutes less.

And with "Party's Over" somewhere in there.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

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Jar Jar wasn't even the worse part of TPM,although he does make Ewoks look ****ing brilliant!

Wading through the whole crap on Tatooine, " I'm a person and I have a name", "Are you an Angel?", Lets have a gay go cart space race take up an inordinate amount of time in this film just to heap onto the suck.

Exactly. This is pretty much what I was trying to say.

I feel that, although RotS still blows chunks, it at least gets to the point and doesn't make us suffer through all of these failed attempts at getting us to really feel for and understand the characters like TPM does. If that makes sense.

 

[a-dev]

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We should never have seen Anakin as a 9year old. It was a stupid idea and it unnecessarily postponed the real meat of the story. Having said that though he was the best actor from all those auditioned (based on what we were shown in the DVD extras at least). And he pretty much acted the way a child that age would act.