Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2)

[Khev]

I will even go as far as saying that because Luke is such an integral part of SW, Lucasfilm gave Hamill way too many free passes for his comments. If he was a newer actor, he would have been booted from the next movie or taken off the press tours.

Yep. Just act Megan Fox. I guess it isn't surprising to see some people praising Hamill's classless behavior in the current era of "act as uncivilly as possible until you get your way."

Thankfully he did live to see the error of his ways and has recanted his original comments to the point of even admitting that he was wrong headed about them in the first place. Not that it will matter to those who pick and choose their own narratives based on what they like or dislike of course. Some of his revised comments even echo my own feelings but there's no way I'd ever quote a guy who's so back and forth about what he stands for on any given day as "proof" that my opinions are correct, lol.

 

[xipotec]

Yep. Just act Megan Fox. I guess it isn't surprising to see some people praising Hamill's classless behavior in the current era of "act as uncivilly as possible until you get your way."

Thankfully he did live to see the error of his ways and has recanted his original comments to the point of even admitting that he was wrong headed about them in the first place. Not that it will matter to those who pick and choose their own narratives based on what they like or dislike of course. Some of his revised comments even echo my own feelings but there's no way I'd ever quote a guy who's so back and forth about what he stands for on any given day as "proof" that my opinions are correct, lol.

So true. I love how the people who defend his actions surrounding the release, are also the first to condemn him on his political views and tell him to “just act” and keep his political opinions to himself.




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[ajp4mgs]

Nah maybe they loved the franchise and don't like the direction it's going so they have a right to say whats on ther mind. Maybe it's good to hear different opnions instead of staying in a little positivity bubble with 3 other people acting like it was great. It's fine if star wars fan hated the movie and it's fine if you like it. We can discuss the pros and cons without some super fan jumping down out throat.

And I do care about star wars....thats why im here. I love it and i can discuss it and I feel the direction it's going is killing the brand. So yea. Do you.

Also this thread isn't even being bombarded with hate. It's nothing but you,ajp and like 3 others talking about how much you like the movie. This isn't as bad as when the movie first came out so stop.

You seem like a good enough dude, but this is probably the fourth or fifth time you've brought up that this thread only has "like 3 (or 5, or however many) people in it" and called me out specifically. Guess what? No one is forcing you to keep coming back here to read what's being posted about TLJ. If all you want is to discuss the pros and cons, then why do you give a **** if a "super fan" keeps disagreeing with your negativity on this movie and posting a differing point of view? Isn't that what a discussion actually is? Or do you actually really just want to trash the movie without being challenged?

You keep making statements about how nobody cares about the ST, and you keep pointing to these threads as your context to prove that those who like it are in the minority. Do you seriously think that this thread, or this forum, is an accurate microcosm of society? I've got news for you, bro: most grown-ass adults don't buy toys and talk about them on a message board. We are on the fringe; we here are all "the minority."

There are plenty of people out there who don't take this **** as seriously as we do. They are actually the true majority. TLJ made more than $1.3 billion in theaters, then went on to be the best-selling blu-ray of 2018. And the same fans will be watching Episode IX in large numbers too, because TLJ didn't "rape their childhoods" or leave them frothing at the mouth with rage over "Ruin" Johnson. You don't need to worry, the ST isn't "killing the brand." When Ep9 opening weekend numbers come in, you'll know that for a fact.

So true. I love how the people who defend his actions surrounding the release, are also the first to condemn him on his political views and tell him to “just act” and keep his political opinions to himself.




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Hamill is an actor who hit the jackpot by being cast as a lead in Star Wars. He's not an authority on Star Wars, or Luke Skywalker, or politics. He's perfectly free to express his opinion on any of those subjects, but anyone who takes it as anything more than mere opinion is severely misguided. He's no more of an authority on SW, or on Luke Skywalker, than the fans who follow it all religiously; and he isn't more informed about politics than the average ill-informed citizen. He played an awesome character who other people created and wrote. That's it. He's likable enough, but that doesn't make him an expert on anything.

 

[YoNoSe]

So Hamill is either the unassailable messiah or a worthless, lucky hack.

#fandom

 

[Khev]

So Hamill is either the unassailable messiah or a worthless, lucky hack.

You forgot "depending on the day," lol.

 

[YoNoSe]

You forgot "depending on the day," lol.

 

[Khev]

"So the moment he badmouthed TLJ he ceased to be Mark the Unassailable Messiah and became Hamill the Worthless Hack. When that happened, the good man who was your hero in the OT was destroyed."

 

[ironwez20]

It is funny how a lot of people in this forums like to think they are the vocal majority when they are barely a speck in the dust.

The numbers doesn’t lie, TLJ still made a lot of money, so much that it is the second highest grossing SW movie (and lets be frank, no matter how TLJ turned out it will never make TFA money).

So despite whatever your personal opinion is about the movie, TLJ is a financial success and that is all that matters in the business.

And yes, Mark Hamill is indeed very unprofessional with his conduct during the press tours. I will even go as far as saying that his comments did have the effect of giving fanboys more bullets to hate on the ST and it helps escalate the negative press by given them more fuel. One common justification I always hear about TLJ hate is that Hamill hates it too so I must be right!!!

I feel that there is a lot of myth about the movie business that a lot of you just want to blindly believe.

Spend a day in a movie set and it will be a severed wake up call.

I work in the industry and the saying never meet your heroes is truer than ever.

Acting at the end of the day is just a job. Actors work for a paycheck. Everything they do is so that it will lead to something else, something that pays even more.

An actor will wax lyrical about doing it for the arts and passion but let’s see RDJ do a marvel movie for free cause he is “passionate” about it.

It is so easy to forget that unless the actor is a producer, he is just a hired gun to realized the director’s vision. If an actor doesn’t understands that they won’t get very far in their career. Sure he can have feedback and input but at the end of the day it is the director’s call cause you know you accepted money to do a job like how if you accept my money, you are supposed to make the burger the way I want it not how you think I want it.

I will even go as far as saying that because Luke is such an integral part of SW, Lucasfilm gave Hamill way too many free passes for his comments. If he was a newer actor, he would have been booted from the next movie or taken off the press tours.

In the hate for Disney, it is so easy to not see the amount of respect Disney and Lucasfilm has accorded Mark Hamill. Despite not starring in the movie, he was given the spotlight, the attention, top billing, and he was featured on Celebration as THE Legend. They even gave him a Hollywood star. If anything Disney has given him everything that he never gotten from Lucasfilm back then. It is so easy to forget that the SW movies while making him popular with SW fans also typecasted him in the industry and basically hindered his career and doomed him to cameo and bit parts for much of his career. Sure he had success in voice acting but any actor will tell you they rather make it as an actor than a voice actor. You are a voice actor precisely because you didn’t make it as an actor and that is the cold hard truth.

Lol your not the majority either. It made money. So what? Doesn’t equal quality of the film. Lots of crappy things make money. And he didn’t agree with the direction so he spoke on it. Not like he said the movie straight up sucked lol

 

[ajp4mgs]

So Hamill is either the unassailable messiah or a worthless, lucky hack.

#fandom

I don't think anybody here classified Hamill as "worthless" or a "hack." I think he's a competent actor who obviously did well enough to help make Luke Skywalker one of the most iconic film characters of all time. But it'd be a stretch to say that his career has mirrored Harrison Ford's, or that he's been "in demand" for his on-screen skills.

I like Hamill, and I'm grateful to him for making Luke such an enjoyable character. But by his own admission, he's not more of an expert on SW or Luke than many of the hardcore fans. In the video with him and Johnson that was linked here yesterday, he says that explicitly. And he's said it repeatedly. And when it comes to politics, there's nothing that would make him more of an authority than any other citizen.

Not "worthless" and not a "hack," but also not an "unassailable messiah." As fun as exaggerated characterizations are, no one here has suggested that he's either of those extremes. But he's hard not to like, either way. Maybe it's just that he played Luke, or how lighthearted he is all the time, but his likability is undeniable.

 

[ironwez20]

You seem like a good enough dude, but this is probably the fourth or fifth time you've brought up that this thread only has "like 3 (or 5, or however many) people in it" and called me out specifically. Guess what? No one is forcing you to keep coming back here to read what's being posted about TLJ. If all you want is to discuss the pros and cons, then why do you give a **** if a "super fan" keeps disagreeing with your negativity on this movie and posting a differing point of view? Isn't that what a discussion actually is? Or do you actually really just want to trash the movie without being challenged?

You keep making statements about how nobody cares about the ST, and you keep pointing to these threads as your context to prove that those who like it are in the minority. Do you seriously think that this thread, or this forum, is an accurate microcosm of society? I've got news for you, bro: most grown-ass adults don't buy toys and talk about them on a message board. We are on the fringe; we here are all "the minority."

There are plenty of people out there who don't take this **** as seriously as we do. They are actually the true majority. TLJ made more than $1.3 billion in theaters, then went on to be the best-selling blu-ray of 2018. And the same fans will be watching Episode IX in large numbers too, because TLJ didn't "rape their childhoods" or leave them frothing at the mouth with rage over "Ruin" Johnson. You don't need to worry, the ST isn't "killing the brand." When Ep9 opening weekend numbers come in, you'll know that for a fact.



Hamill is an actor who hit the jackpot by being cast as a lead in Star Wars. He's not an authority on Star Wars, or Luke Skywalker, or politics. He's perfectly free to express his opinion on any of those subjects, but anyone who takes it as anything more than mere opinion is severely misguided. He's no more of an authority on SW, or on Luke Skywalker, than the fans who follow it all religiously; and he isn't more informed about politics than the average ill-informed citizen. He played an awesome character who other people created and wrote. That's it. He's likable enough, but that doesn't make him an expert on anything.

Maybe cause everytime I say something your breathing down my neck about it. Acting extremely hurt I made fun of this movie. I got news for you to bro. I can say whatever I want without you crying about how much money TLJ made or how it ruined my childhood. Could care less. I’m barely here. Stop here every now and then and see you always saying

“ well da haterz fo dis movie don’t understand. Dis movie made a lot of money so itz automatically good”

Yea I’m gonna say my piece. But you aren’t making a discussion your trying to be a smart ass most of the time. So I’ll be a smart ass back. Simple.

And I look everywhere. Not just this forum but everywhere people didn’t like the movie, this has to be the only place I’ve seen with positive vibes.

Which is a good thing but it’s still a thread.

 

[xipotec]

Lol your not the majority either. It made money. So what? Doesn’t equal quality of the film. Lots of crappy things make money. And he didn’t agree with the direction so he spoke on it. Not like he said the movie straight up sucked lol

Yeah just look at the DCU.....oh wait.


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[ironwez20]

Yeah just look at the DCU.....oh wait.


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They had no direction whatsoever

 

[loki2371]

TLJ made more than $1.3 billion in theaters, then went on to be the best-selling blu-ray of 2018..

Bringing up TLJ as the best selling BluRay to defend TLJ's popularity is a little flawed.

If we look at the top 3 titles for 2018, TLJ was released on March 27th, and had just over a 9 month sell through period. Black Panther, ranked #2, was released May 15th, approx 2 months after. Infinity War, ranked #3 was released on August 14th, and had a 4 1/2 month sell through period for 2018. Nearly exactly 1/2 the time TLJ had. We can most likely approximate, based on the number of units sold over time, that if we extended each title to the same 9 month period as TLJ or even a full 12 month sell through period those rankings would change. Infinity War would most likely move to #1, Black Panther would stay at #2, and TLJ would drop to #3.

If we look at the ALL-TIME best selling Blurays (up till end of 2018), TLJ is at #27. Way behind TFA at #4, RO at #23, the OT (EPIV-VI) trilogy boxset at #24, and only out selling the Complete SW saga (EPI-VI) at #29. Solo doesn't make the top 50, nor does the PQ (EPI-III) trilogy boxset. SO if we wan't to base how much people liked TLJ based on BluRay sales, looks like an awful lot fans of TFA (#4) were unhappy with TLJ (#27) and did not purchase the movie. Keep in mind, this is BluRay only.

I'm sure if we took into consideration DVD sales, the OT would probably still be the top selling SW title. As many people don't upgrade from DVD to BluRay.

My point is, everyone try's to find support as to prove whether more people liked or disliked TLJ. EPIX will most likely tell the final tale as to any damage TLJ truly did.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Bringing up TLJ as the best selling BluRay to defend TLJ's popularity is a little flawed.

If we look at the top 3 titles for 2018, TLJ was released on March 27th, and had just over a 9 month sell through period. Black Panther, ranked #2, was released May 15th, approx 2 months after. Infinity War, ranked #3 was released on August 14th, and had a 4 1/2 month sell through period for 2018. Nearly exactly 1/2 the time TLJ had. We can most likely approximate, based on the number of units sold over time, that if we extended each title to the same 9 month period as TLJ or even a full 12 month sell through period those rankings would change. Infinity War would most likely move to #1, Black Panther would stay at #2, and TLJ would drop to #3.

If we look at the ALL-TIME best selling Blurays (up till end of 2018), TLJ is at #27. Way behind TFA at #4, RO at #23, the OT (EPIV-VI) trilogy boxset at #24, and only out selling the Complete SW saga (EPI-VI) at #29. Solo doesn't make the top 50, nor does the PQ (EPI-III) trilogy boxset. SO if we wan't to base how much people liked TLJ based on BluRay sales, looks like an awful lot fans of TFA (#4) were unhappy with TLJ (#27) and did not purchase the movie. Keep in mind, this is BluRay only.

I'm sure if we took into consideration DVD sales, the OT would probably still be the top selling SW title. As many people don't upgrade from DVD to BluRay.

My point is, everyone try's to find support as to prove whether more people liked or disliked TLJ. EPIX will most likely tell the final tale as to any damage TLJ truly did.

All fair points. And the sentence that I put in bold is something I could not agree more with.

Your extrapolation as to where the blu-ray sales will ultimately rank for 2018 would still be pretty much in line with how much they made at the box office. Which is to say, whatever popularity they had in theaters carried over into the home video sales. Would you agree?

 

[ironwez20]

Idk I honestly don’t think episode 9 will get the numbers.

 

[loki2371]

All fair points. And the sentence that I put in bold is something I could not agree more with.

Your extrapolation as to where the blu-ray sales will ultimately rank for 2018 would still be pretty much in line with how much they made at the box office. Which is to say, whatever popularity they had in theaters carried over into the home video sales. Would you agree?

Pretty much. The adjusted top 3 would equate to the rankings of BO standings, but again the sell through period is not equal. SO the margin of sales would most likely be greater than the BO totals (at least to how close the earnings of Black Panther & TLJ are).

But that's still a stretch for TLJ's popularity. Just by looking at the BluRay sales rankings as compared to the other SW titles.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Pretty much. The adjusted top 3 would equate to the rankings of BO standings, but again the sell through period is not equal. SO the margin of sales would most likely be greater than the BO totals (at least to how close the earnings of Black Panther & TLJ are).

But that's still a stretch for TLJ's popularity. Just by looking at the BluRay sales rankings as compared to the other SW titles.

Right, but TLJ and Solo have been out the least amount of time. Their rankings reflect at least two full years less than TFA's and a full year less than RO's blu-ray availability. And far less time than the OT availability. If we're talking about total cumulative sales.

Either way, I think it'd be a stretch to say that TLJ was grossly unpopular for these reasons: 1.) It made $1.3 billion in BO, 2.) its domestic totals didn't fall all that short of IW (which is widely considered FAR more popular), 3.) it sold well enough on home video to stay in line with the BO-to-blu-ray ratios for BP and IW, and 4.) we don't know how Ep9 is going to open (in terms of revenue).

If Ep9 does phenomenal numbers on opening weekend, I think it'd be silly to continue saying that TLJ was vastly unpopular and "killed the franchise." I hope you can see that.

 

[abake]

I do believe TLJ was wildly divisive, and thus damaged the franchise.
Did it kill it? Absolutely not.
Everybody had been hating the prequels for decades, and still TFA did monstrous numbers, so it's safe to say that EpIX will do well. Everybody will want to see how the Saga ends.

 

[Darth Skywalker]

This movie absolutely killed Star Wars for me.

If it had been great, I’d be spending money on TLJ product for the rest of my life. I will not spend a penny.

I have no faith or interest in anything SW going forward. Just the OT. TFA was off to a great start. Heartbreaking.

 

[ironwez20]

I do believe TLJ was wildly divisive, and thus damaged the franchise.
Did it kill it? Absolutely not.
Everybody had been hating the prequels for decades, and still TFA did monstrous numbers, so it's safe to say that EpIX will do well. Everybody will want to see how the Saga ends.

I think the movie will be the most pirated movie of 2019. Cause I’m not gonna be fooled again