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ajp4mgs said:
Right, but TLJ and Solo have been out the least amount of time. Their rankings reflect at least two full years less than TFA's and a full year less than RO's blu-ray availability. And far less time than the OT availability. If we're talking about total cumulative sales.

Either way, I think it'd be a stretch to say that TLJ was grossly unpopular for these reasons: 1.) It made $1.3 billion in BO, 2.) its domestic totals didn't fall all that short of IW (which is widely considered FAR more popular), 3.) it sold well enough on home video to stay in line with the BO-to-blu-ray ratios for BP and IW, and 4.) we don't know how Ep9 is going to open (in terms of revenue).

If Ep9 does phenomenal numbers on opening weekend, I think it'd be silly to continue saying that TLJ was vastly unpopular and "killed the franchise." I hope you can see that.
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Here's some more data showing what you are talking about.

In 2016, TFA was released on April 5th. And that year it was also the top selling BluRay of the year. It sold 5,565,734 units compared to TLJ in 2018 with 3,025,427 units. That's a difference of 2,540,3047 copies, with only a difference of time of 1 week (TFA on April 5th 2016 vs TLJ on March 27th 2018). How do you account for that? And please, we are talking hard copies, not Digital sales.

I'm simply using the numbers of copies on BluRay sold. You were the one saying how successful TLJ was on BluRay. I'm just using sales data and numbers to compare the two. I'm not saying TLJ is hated, but these numbers show a picture that proves many fans were unhappy with TLJ. Those same fans that bough the TFA Bluray the year it was released, did not buy the TLJ BluRay. 2,540,3047 of them. Also TFA currently sits at 5,928,596. So that means in the 2 years difference between TLJ and TFA, only an additional 362,862 copies of TFA have been sold on BluRay.

But you honestly feel in the next year or 2, TLJ is somehow gonna excite nearly 3 million people to go out and the BluRay? I highly doubt that.
 
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Silly character in a silly outfit. It's as if Ice Cream Maker Guy got a speaking role and became a cast member.

Notice please outfit is similar to Baze. That's racist too.
 
loki2371 said:
Here's some more data showing what you are talking about.

In 2016, TFA was released on April 5th. And that year it was also the top selling BluRay of the year. It sold 5,565,734 units compared to TLJ in 2018 with 3,025,427 units. That's a difference of 2,540,3047 copies, with only a difference of time of 1 week (TFA on April 5th 2016 vs TLJ on March 27th 2018). How do you account for that? And please, we are talking hard copies, not Digital sales.

I'm simply using the numbers of copies on BluRay sold. You were the one saying how successful TLJ was on BluRay. I'm just using sales data and numbers to compare the two. I'm not saying TLJ is hated, but these numbers show a picture that proves many fans were unhappy with TLJ. Those same fans that bough the TFA Bluray the year it was released, did not buy the TLJ BluRay. 2,540,3047 of them. Also TFA currently sits at 5,928,596. So that means in the 2 years difference between TLJ and TFA, only an additional 362,862 copies of TFA have been sold on BluRay.

But you honestly feel in the next year or 2, TLJ is somehow gonna excite nearly 3 million people to go out and the BluRay? I highly doubt that.
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No, you're absolutely right that TLJ will never reach the sales figures of the TFA blu-ray. Not even close, actually. But you were talking about all-time *rankings,* not total sales, and that's what I was replying to. You were saying that TLJ ranks #27 in all-time sales, while the other SW movies are ranked higher. What I was telling you is that TLJ's and Solo's rankings will increase at a higher rate than the others because they're newer. TLJ is less than 100k away from RO at #23, but RO had a 1-year head start. TLJ will pass RO this year (most likely); and will likely pass many other films until it lands somewhere in the top 20 all-time. That's all I was saying.

I know that sales are not an indication of quality. I also know that TLJ will never be as lucrative as TFA. All I'm saying is that judging sales rankings right now is dubious, just from a mathematical perspective. It hasn't even been out on home video for a calendar year yet. Once it gets into the Top 20, if you still want to say that it wasn't a popular film, then you'd be arguing that anything below the Top 20 wasn't popular either. Make sense? And again, I'm not talking about quality; I'm merely addressing "popularity."

And since we're talking numbers, I'll toss this into the mix. Before anyone knew that going to watch TLJ was going to lead to their lives being ruined, the film took in $296.6 million (domestic) in its opening week (Dec. 15-21, 2017). That's based almost entirely on just the anticipation for watching the sequel to TFA. By contrast, when TFA opened based on the anticipation of nothing more than "what's this new Star Wars gonna be like?," it had an opening week (Dec. 18-24, 2015) of $390.9 million.

In other words, before anyone knew anything about the quality of TFA, it did $391M in its first week. But after TFA, and before knowing anything about the sequel, TLJ only opened to $297M. So TLJ was never going to make as much as TFA, no matter how good (or bad) it was. Much like RO, which followed what should've been a hyped audience coming off of the TFA blockbuster numbers just a year earlier! Yes, RO ended up having better legs than TLJ based on more widespread approval, but it still made less total revenue anyway.

Long story short: TLJ was not as well received by hardcore fans as TFA was. No doubt about it. BUT, it's popularity at the BO was nothing to sneeze at; and then was backed up by substantial home video sales. If everyone had been as disappointed with it as many folks seem to believe, there's no way it could ever sell blu-ray copies at the clip it has. And that's with a blu-ray market that will see a decline in sales with every year that goes by as the switch to digital/streaming becomes more pronounced.
 
The BO was fanboys going to see if the bad word of mouth was true. Star Wars fanboys will go see any bad Star Wars film. But this movie is the straw that broke the camels back for them.
 
ironwez20 said:
The BO was fanboys going to see if the bad word of mouth was true. Star Wars fanboys will go see any bad Star Wars film. But this movie is the straw that broke the camels back for them.
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And yet, people will still go see IX in droves. I hear a lot of people within my circle saying they have given up on SW after TLJ and will never watch a new SW movie ever again and yet every single one of them went and watch Solo.

How I know that? Cause I see them posting on FB on how so much better Solo is compared to TLJ and that Rian Johnson suck.

The thing about being a SW fan is that you got to take the bad with the good. Only people who will never watch a SW movie ever again are those who was never a fan of the franchise in the first place and only watched TFA and TLJ out of curiosity due to the massive hype.
 
I only posted the link to sales to illustrate how silly it is to say “no one liked TLJ” . Thats simply not the case.

Did it enrage a group of fans? Clearly. But to say its not liked is obviously not the truth. Regardless of what the internet tells you.

Money is the real deciding factor here. Does making money mean a film is good? Also , the answer is “not to everyone”

All the numbers show is people clearly enjoyed the film, and bought it for their collection. I would extrapolate that into future sales for IX.

I cannot help shake the feeling that some folks were destined to hate this since it came from Disney Studios. This forum had the debate going regarding that decision many many moons ago.

Then you have the folks who see a SJW creeping behind every decision some studio makes....That alone taints any possibility of liking a film. If they feel a certain social message is being “forced” upon their beloved franchise, all the more reason to rail against it.

I remember a certain sci-fi TV show getting alot of flak for interracial decisions, not it just seems silly and overblown, but at the time it was pretty much hated by a large segment of the population.



Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....
 
noisetrigger said:
And yet, people will still go see IX in droves. I hear a lot of people within my circle saying they have given up on SW after TLJ and will never watch a new SW movie ever again and yet every single one of them went and watch Solo.

How I know that? Cause I see them posting on FB on how so much better Solo is compared to TLJ and that Rian Johnson suck.

The thing about being a SW fan is that you got to take the bad with the good. Only people who will never watch a SW movie ever again are those who was never a fan of the franchise in the first place and only watched TFA and TLJ out of curiosity due to the massive hype.
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Yea i hightly doubt they'll see it in droves but ok. Yea they said solo was better but that didn't do so hot at the BO did it? If people will see anything star wars then Solo would of done better.
 
ironwez20 said:
Yea i hightly doubt they'll see it in droves but ok. Yea they said solo was better but that didn't do so hot at the BO did it? If people will see anything star wars then Solo would of done better.
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And that goes to show that majority of the revenue comes from normal movie goers. If only SW fans all over the world watch SW, all SW movies will flop.

The problem with Solo is not that no SW fans watched it. The problem is that most casual viewers just didn’t bother with it.

That could be due to a number of reasons, the noticeably lax marketing from
Disney, the fatal mistake of releasing it in the same month as Deadpool and Avengers and also the fact that it is too close to the release of TLJ.
 
noisetrigger said:
And that goes to show that majority of the revenue comes from normal movie goers. If only SW fans all over the world watch SW, all SW movies will flop.

The problem with Solo is not that no SW fans watched it. The problem is that most casual viewers just didn’t bother with it.

That could be due to a number of reasons, the noticeably lax marketing from
Disney, the fatal mistake of releasing it in the same month as Deadpool and Avengers and also the fact that it is too close to the release of TLJ.
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Or the fact that people are getting sick of Star Wars . Deadpool or avengers shouldn’t have an effect on one of the greatest franchises of all time
 
The only reason why the force awakens made WAY too much money is ONLY because it was the first Star Wars movie in 10 years and I have to admit they got my ass into the seats with all of that, "We're going back to practical effects." bull-crap. Looking back on it I got taken.
 
ironwez20 said:
Or the fact that people are getting sick of Star Wars . Deadpool or avengers shouldn’t have an effect on one of the greatest franchises of all time
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This we agree on.

I remember this happened after ROTJ. The average person was just”done” with SW. they had enough of the marketing. This was around the time SW shampoo and cereal popped up. SW actually stopped being a world wide phenomenon and went back to something only nerds cared about.

I remember ZERO lines and sparse crowds in the 1990’s at the biggest comic show in Florida in Fort Lauderdale. Bullouch, Prowse, Davis, Danials and Baker had no waiting line and looked lonely and embarrassed to be there. Hell I remember people making fun of SW fans around that time also. Lucky for me I got all signed figures from them for FREE.

I fear this is all coming back again. Between Marvel/DC/SW/STar Trek, we are about to see nerd backlash and a drying up of these films......whats up next on the film run? Macho action star films.........

Its all a circle....



Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....
 

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