Sigh ...Ok, line by line then....remember this is 1977...and you just left seeing ANH.....try to forget the last 40 years....
"I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home. They're not much bigger than two meters."
Being a pilot is really the only thing Luke was really good at. He dreams of going to the Academy with his friends, but his uncle keeps putting it off. He's been told since he was a child that his father was the best star pilot in that galaxy. When he's not farming for moisture in the barren desert, he's flying around in his T-16 skyhopper.
We have one line....talking about a ship.....we have no idea what that ship is....we see him drive a land based vehicle that's all. Whats a womp rat? Any idea? is it s ground animal? If it is it makes more sense that a T-16 is a ground vehicle and he is shooting them from that.
Your really gonna tell me cause he is playing with a model we are suppose to know that a T-16 back in 77......
Hey look Rey is wearing a visor...she must know how to fly an X-wing....... thats the real deal not a model!!!!!
In 1976, there were plans to have a sequence with him flying the thing, but it got scrapped for budget and time constraints. You can see it parked outside his garage when he's cleaning the droids. He's also playing with a scaled down model of it that ILM would have used for the flying sequences had they filmed it.
uh wait a second here....are you asking me to take into considerations stuff that was not in the movie? Argument dismissed. Like we are judging TLJ anf TFA if we didn't see it it didn't happen. loads of material may come out in the next 40 years to easily explain alot of stuff. As already stated..the novel says she can fly and has done so before. She herself tells Finn when he asks "We need a pilot.." Answer "We have one".
From Wookipedia.....Essentially what the novel says....
While Rey was wary of the others at first, she came to think of them as friends as they proved their trustworthiness by keeping watch over the ship at night, and helping to protect it from a group of Teedos. Together the three scavengers restored the ship to working order, and Rey was able to pilot the craft over the desert with the skills she had learned from her flight simulator program. Once the ship was complete, Rey flew it to Niima Outpost with the others. However, as soon as she stepped out of it to barter with Plutt, Devi and Strunk stole the ship and fled the planet, leaving Rey with nothing to show for her work.
He struggles with those guns, they both do. It takes him forever to destroy a TIE fighter and he actually breaks in a sweat doing it. His shocked expression and shooting one down and his "I GOT HIM!" to Han Solo says it all. Unlike what's shown in TLJ, it's actually hard to maneuver and shoot those things down.
Compare that to Rey in TLJ that is all smiles while she easily destroys a handful of TIE fighters with efficiency and ease, boasting how much she likes it and getting more kills than Luke, Han and Finn could ever dream of.
Does this look like its easy for her?
Directly from the film;
Rey: Nice shooting.
Finn: Now that was some flying.
Rey: Thanks.
Finn: How did you do that?
Rey: I don't know.
Finn: No one trained you?
Rey: I've flown some ships, but I've never left the planet.
Finn: No one? That was amazing.
Rey: Your last shot was dead on.
Finn: You set me up for it.
Rey: You got him with one blast!
Finn: That was pretty good.
Rey: It was perfect.
They sound pretty much like Luke did .....
"I GOT HIM!!!!!"
Swinging? More like grasping for straws.
Agreed...very thin straws to make the film more exciting.....which TFA and TLJ also did.
Farmer.
Has to fend off the farm from Sandpeople with his Uncle from season to season.
Owns a rifle.
All established.
When was this established again? Because Luke says its too dark to go out with Sandpeople around? I do not recall any saying they defended anything from sandpeople in ANH anywhere. More assumptions that have grown to accepted truths over 40 years of reinforcement and new information. I know tons of modern day farmers who own guns and cannot shoot for crap..... assumption again.
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Hobbyists are often as competent as professionals, or moreso. If you want sharpshooters for your army, the best thing to do is recruit some farm kids who grew up with guns in their hands fending off their homes. Meanwhile, many real-world police and soldiers live up to the stormtrooper stereotype of being professional gun-carriers who can't hit the broad side of a barn. There's usually not much budget for target practice.
Luke flew through tight canyons and shot small animals with basic unguided weapons for fun.
Top shot is a production shot...invalid.
......and again all these assumptions you made back in 77 in a lighting quick response to you hero and his need to be explained. Your real world explanations mean nothing in this film if they didn't expressly show it or explain it...that's the standard we are holding ST to isn't it? nothing we see shows that this kid knows one end of a gun from another....he can shoot cause hes a farmboy and carries a gun....lemme tell you I live in the south...everyone who carries a gun around here ....and most would probably shoot themselves first.
He's obviously not much of a fighter or defender if he lets someone sneak up behind him and waylay him.
Yes you are. You and your ilk consistently do this to prop up the lame Disney movies.
Lets not get personal....I do so like to play devils advocate....
Possibly, but your argument with Luke is a poor one.
Compared to Rey, Luke is a loser, but also a well written character that struggles.
His Uncle holds him back from going into the imperial academy, his friends mock him and call him "wormy". The droids have no respect for him. He loses R2. He gets knocked out and beaten by the Sandpeople, who proceed to steal his stuff. He's saved by Obi-Wan. His aunt and uncle are killed. He gets threatened and shoved by Cantina patrons, needing Obi-Wan's help. He's constantly mocked and ridiculed by Han and Leia. He almost gets crushed to death in the trash compactor. He struggles to take down Stormtroopers and TIE fighters. He loses his best friend Biggs as well as his wingmen. He almost gets shot down by Vader and Co. until Han and Chewbacca help at the last minute. And this is just film one.
In film two, within a minute of his first appearance he's attacked and disfigured by a snow creature. He almost dies out in the cold until Han saves him again. He gets his co-pilot in the landspeeder killed. He doesn't recognize a Jedi Master in front of his face. He fails his training. He finds his greatest demon is himself. He's reckless and arrogant. He fails to save his friends (in fact, they end up saving him). Vader beats and batters him to a bloody and bruised pulp. He loses his hand and lightsaber after a traumatic defeat and finds out that his arch nemesis may really be his father. The only victory he achieves is by jumping into the abyss.
Now what obstacles does Rey face? In the span of a week she goes from a junk trader to a battle ready Jedi. She bests every enemy she faces. She owns Chewbacca and the Millennium Falcon. She's a better fighter than Finn, a better pilot than Poe. She doesn't need a family, she doesn't need to train with a Jedi Master. The only time she fails is when she is trying to mind trick an opponent, but even then, she gets it on a second try.
As stated multiple times on this forum, other than growing up on a desert planet, they have nothing in common. What took Luke three films (or 4 years in the timeline of the OT story) of character development. Rey has done in one film in a matter of days. It's ridiculous. The explanation is that the force just "awoke" inside her.
To many rebuttals to do line by line but here they are.
Thanks for the uneeded Luke Skywalker history
Rey was a slave...just like Little Ani.....we know shes working for food and it being used for her skill at finding and fixing parts, sound harder than a whiny farm boy life to me.
When is it said she owns he Falcon? She flies the Falcon....like other people.
Does this guy now own the Falcon ...hell he is even wearing his frozen friends clothing...
Everyone is a better fighter than Finn....Finn is an automaton....he know one thing...how to shoot a blaster...He ALSO manages to shoot down some TIE's on his first try...like Luke ...like Rey.....
There are zero scenes that show Rey is a better pilot than Poe. On the contrary we get a shot of just how great Poe's flying is...and ther is not a single thing Rey does that is comparable to that....she was barley holding the Falcon aloft and was running into stuff the whole time she flew it.....it does not compare even remotely to what we see Poe do.
Raiders of the Lost Arc is a national treasure. Even having it in the same discussion as TLJ should be a crime.
I only bring it up to show how selective we can be when we really want to excuse/explain things away....
Well its been fun changing no one mind....that not my intention anyway. But there it is line by line.....
Just trying to point out that there will never be a film series like OT again...not because OT is perfect...but because it came to us at a perfect age.
all respect to those who love a debate...
