Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Prime Clone]

I don't mind her physical abilities in TFA, plus Kylo was literally dying in that forest after Chewie shot him, so it's fine that she had the upper hand.
The problem is the more Force oriented stuff, like the mind control and Force pull. That's just not something you come up with without having been taught.
I mean it's clear it was her first time doing those things, she hadn't been toying with that stuff on Jakku or they would have shown some of it.

My theory is that Kylo probing her mind (and her pushing back) gave her a clue as to what was possible.

 

[higgins1989]

I know that video of Mark was cut to be even worse than things are but god is it sad. I think that look he gives Rian at the end is what Vader looked like before he tosses Palpatine, if only.

 

[klwn]

My theory is that Kylo probing her mind (and her pushing back) gave her a clue as to what was possible.

That's a pretty good theory actually.

 

[Prime Clone]

Say what you will, and it is being said, but in terms of entertainment it is absolute madness for people to tout the PT over this.

You could say the PT is more Star Wars though.

That's a pretty good theory actually.

 

[klwn]

Say what you will, and it is being said, but in terms of entertainment it is absolute madness for people to tout the PT over this.

Let's see what happens when the 'this is not the movie I wanted!!!' collective calm down.


Not discounting some of the very obvious issues I also have with this film but I did enjoy it.

I have seen ROTS enough times to say without the shadow of a doubt that I like it way more than TLJ. AOTC is mostly crap of course.
TPM... I went to the premiere, 12 years old, at the height of my discovery of this incredible universe, almost crying in my seat, no critical thinking, just in love with everything Star Wars. I know it's barely an OK movie but I still like it more than TLJ.

Even the good and great stuff in TLJ is hard to appreciate, due to how much of a giant dump Rian took on things that really mattered to me, namely Luke and Snoke. I get that it's different for everyone of course. Just heard a girl on YouTube (Hyper RPG) laughing about Snoke's death and saying that to her Star Wars was always the "normal people" and that she didn't care much about the special ones like Luke. I'm the strict opposite.

 

[Cap'n Cook]

You could say the PT is more Star Wars though.

Whilst I do not agree, I do understand your point of how others could feel that way.

For me however, problems aside, this felt more SW (like TFA) than any of the jumped up fireworks display of a toy advert that the PT was/is.

 

[Captain Clown]

I like your sig

 

[Cap'n Cook]

Oh **** sorry I didn't see you had it already!

Will change it shortly.

 

[Captain Clown]

Oh no that's not what I meant! I just uploaded it a minute ago and thought it was funny

 

[higgins1989]

Phantom Menace had Maul and incredible light saber battles, this film had a decent.... ohhh wait did it have a light saber battle....

 

[klwn]

Phantom Menace had Maul and incredible light saber battles, this film had a decent.... ohhh wait did it have a light saber battle....

It had Force illusion Luke holding a lightsaber that had just been destroyed whilst avoiding Kylo's lightsaber strikes. Be right back, I'm gonna throw up now.

 

[Futurion]

If nothing else Duel of the Fates is one of the best melee fights in the movies. Legendary. This movie has nothing memorable except infamous superman Leia scene.

 

[higgins1989]

It had Force illusion Luke holding a lightsaber that had just been destroyed whilst avoiding Kylo's lightsaber strikes. Be right back, I'm gonna throw up now.

Right I was making the joke that there wasn't really a saber vs saber fight which is a necessary staple for a Star Wars film particularly one that includes Jedi.

 

[swo77]

 

[Cap'n Cook]

Oh no that's not what I meant! I just uploaded it a minute ago and thought it was funny

Ah ok cool!

Good taste.

 

[Star Puffs]

If nothing else Duel of the Fates is one of the best melee fights in the movies. Legendary. This movie has nothing memorable except infamous superman Leia scene.

Yeah. I actually think TPM had potential to be a good film, with some obvious changes. I agree the lightsaber duel is one of the coolest things I've ever seen on film. Having a celebrity crush on Ewan helped of course.

 

[Asta]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

It's a very strange film from beginning to end. You don't know quite how you're supposed to react to it.

The OT was space opera with adventure, danger, comedy and tragedy. But throughout there was a powerful story in the manner of simplistic, comic book melodrama.

With TLJ it's hard to judge whether you're supposed to take it seriously, because neither the actors nor the script suggested that it was much more than a vehicle for one liners, slapstick, outrageous moments and cute ickle Porgs. Any chance for a simple, powerful story was lost in the confusion.

 

[MedievaL]

Re: Star Wars Episode VIII (TBA)

https://mashable.com/2017/12/14/mark-hamill-rian-johnson-talk-carrie-fisher/

"There were things in there that she pushed back on, and then she said, 'Yeah, absolutely,'" recalled Johnson, who worked with Hamill and Fisher to plot their character arcs since Return of the Jedi. "You don't get defensive. You don't argue.

"Also, because it's Carrie and Mark, they know these characters. You'd be a fool if you didn't listen to them. You say, 'What didn't make sense to you? Why?' You start getting into it and that's when the conversation begins, and that's the real work."

Really? It sure didn't look that way.

 

[Futurion]

Re: Star Wars Episode VIII (TBA)

https://mashable.com/2017/12/14/mark-hamill-rian-johnson-talk-carrie-fisher/

"There were things in there that she pushed back on, and then she said, 'Yeah, absolutely,'" recalled Johnson, who worked with Hamill and Fisher to plot their character arcs since Return of the Jedi. "You don't get defensive. You don't argue.

"Also, because it's Carrie and Mark, they know these characters. You'd be a fool if you didn't listen to them. You say, 'What didn't make sense to you? Why?' You start getting into it and that's when the conversation begins, and that's the real work."

Really? It sure didn't look that way.

I can imagine Johnson had those conversations. They he thought about it and said **** it, too much work, let's just do it my way and be at home at five.

 

[Spazz]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

It's a very strange film from beginning to end. You don't know quite how you're supposed to react to it.

The OT was space opera with adventure, danger, comedy and tragedy. But throughout there was a powerful story in the manner of simplistic, comic book melodrama.

With TLJ it's hard to judge whether you're supposed to take it seriously, because neither the actors nor the script suggested that it was much more than a vehicle for one liners, slapstick, outrageous moments and cute ickle Porgs. Any chance for a simple, powerful story was lost in the confusion.

Agreed.

I personally think TLJ is symptomatic of a culture that rewards weakness. I'm not remotely conservative, but I think our culture is finally reaching "peak victimhood", and the contempt toward TLJ is a symptom. The entire film was a pathetic therapy session, where in the midst of conflict everyone perpetually stops to talk about their feelings. "We're outnumbered!" "Oh no! We need more hope!" Where the original trilogy was about a struggle for freedom, the new trilogy is about the maintenance of self-esteem. The point of this film is that deep down, everyone is special and has potential. Past wisdom? To the flames! All you need is introspection, because all of the answers come from within.

Uh huh. That's a great message for a generation of kids who will be rendered obsolete by robotics and put on corporate welfare. Have no future? No problem! Just dig deep down inside, and find yourself some hope. Problem solved!

Most people aren't special and never will be, if by "special" we mean "accomplishing something you deem worth doing, that no one has done before". Want to be special? You'd better work really hard, and harness past wisdom to innovate. Forget hope. Do, or do not.