Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[klwn]

I just reminded myself of the moment Rey hands the lightsaber to Luke...

He could have just let it slip slowly out of his hand and fall on the ground.
He could have fallen to his knees and shed a couple tears while looking at it.
He could even have Force crushed it.

Anything but what Rian Johnson went for... Total ****ing disrespect. He seemed like such a nice guy in all the interviews.

 

[Futurion]

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Johnson is an as*hole. That's all i learned from the movie.

 

[Otomofan]

I said that Brick and Looper sucked and Snikt told me I was full of **** cause those were great movies and Rian is an auteur.

 

[Asta]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

Agreed.

I personally think TLJ is symptomatic of a culture that rewards weakness. I'm not remotely conservative, but I think our culture is finally reaching "peak victimhood", and the contempt toward TLJ is a symptom. The entire film was a pathetic therapy session, where in the midst of conflict everyone perpetually stops to talk about their feelings. "We're outnumbered!" "Oh no! We need more hope!" Where the original trilogy was about a struggle for freedom, the new trilogy is about the maintenance of self-esteem. The point of this film is that deep down, everyone is special and has potential. Past wisdom? To the flames! All you need is introspection, because all of the answers come from within.

Uh huh. That's a great message for a generation of kids who will be rendered obsolete by robotics and put on corporate welfare. Have no future? No problem! Just dig deep down inside, and find yourself some hope. Problem solved!

Most people aren't special and never will be, if by "special" we mean "accomplishing something you deem worth doing, that no one has done before". Want to be special? You'd better work really hard, and harness past wisdom to innovate. Forget hope. Do, or do not.

Pretty much.

Luke had to go through a long period of trials and tests to achieve his goals. When it comes to Rey they actually state that she already knows more than can be taught to her. So burn those old useless books. (At least somebody thought to save them just in case).

The film renders the past meaningless. Even Yoda laughs about it.

The past is so meaningless that Luke gives his life for very little. Less of a sacrifice, and more committing suicide because there's no more point in him living. (He'll grow stronger as a force ghost, though I don't know how that worked out for Obi-Wan and Yoda).

1977 Star Wars had cliffhanger serials as its target, just as the Indiana Jones series, lifting images and complete scenes straight out of the 1930s and 1940s, because Lucas and Spielberg were paying tribute to their childhood inspirations.

There's a little of that legacy in TLJ. Leia floating in space would have been resolved the following Saturday; and Luke being blown up would be explained the following week as having been an illusion.

Thematically TLJ is at the opposite end of the spectrum to TPM. The former is preoccupied with being light-hearted and staying true to Disney's cartoon heritage, such as the 1937 Snow Whit, while the latter got bogged down with taxation, trade and the politics of creating war.

 

[Autumn Thunder]

This movie coulda been so HUGE with it being about Luke ****ing Skywalker. Repeat viewings after repeat viewings. So with it being only about $ it still baffles me as to why they did what they did.

 

[Adam1138]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

Episode 4 was filmed 40 years ago. I'm not George Lucas, maybe ramming stuff with spaceships wasn't a thing back then.

Focus on the positive, discard the rest and hope for a great Episode 9 with JJ.

So basically your saying just erase all our memories of the entire OT? Really! Come on man?!!!

 

[klwn]

This movie coulda been so HUGE with it being about Luke ****ing Skywalker. Repeat viewings after repeat viewings. So with it being only about $ it still baffles me as to why they did what they did.

Exactly. I have lost count of how many times I have rewatched the 50 seconds of Darth Vader destroying rebels in Rogue One (on my computer though).

So a movie with a couple god mode Luke Skywalker scenes... I would gladly pay to see it four times in theater, and then buy the blu ray.

 

[Autumn Thunder]

It's all very very depressing. Good news if you can take any away from this is that ep9 will be way better, cause it can't get any worse than this. (can it?)

Like i said the only way to save 9

Snoke is alive
Luke is alive
(somehow)
Rey turns dark and starts murdering with a DB saber.(and sets up another few movies or it just ends with a bad guy winning)
etc.

But i'm afraid its over.

 

[Prime Clone]

The only reason I could see KK approving this is the possibility of a "kid Jedi" spin-off trilogy. It's otherwise way too risky (which in itself is a good thing, but the risk seems to have backfired).

 

[klwn]

The question is, can Disney/JJ ignore the reactions and keep it going in that direction?

And that's a real question, because a lot of people loved the movie, and it's gonna make so much money. So really they don't have to listen to the complaints, no matter how valid and numerous they are.

Thing is, even if JJ tries to rectify it a bit, Luke is still dead, Snoke is still dead, Rose and Finn are still useless, etc...

Of course we are going to get Force ghost Luke, but that's just not the same. And I doubt they will bring back Snoke, so they need to find a way to make Kylo Ren way more awesome, because to me he just doesn't feel like a main Star Wars villain at the moment.
Yes he managed to kill Snoke but it was super sneaky, Rian Johnson made it very clear that Snoke's knowledge and power were far beyond Kylo Ren's. It would take him a good decade to get there, at least.

 

[Autumn Thunder]

The question is, can Disney/JJ ignore the reactions and keep it going in that direction?

And that's a real question, because a lot of people loved the movie, and it's gonna make so much money. So really they don't have to listen to the complaints, no matter how valid and numerous they are.

Thing is, even if JJ tries to rectify it a bit, Luke is still dead, Snoke is still dead, Rose and Finn are still useless, etc...

Of course we are going to get Force ghost Luke, but that's just not the same. And I doubt they will bring back Snoke, so they need to find a way to make Kylo Ren way more awesome, because to me he just doesn't feel like a main Star Wars villain at the moment.
Yes he managed to kill Snoke but it was super sneaky, Rian Johnson made it very clear that Snoke's knowledge and power were far beyond Kylo Ren's. It would take him a good decade to get there, at least.

What i posted above is one of the only way to fix things Rian did too much damage. Also i think the backlash is going to be TREMENDOUS. (internet has a lot of power these days) Only the fake news media critics really gushed. From what i can tell MOST hate this movie. They are gonna pay! But like you said question is will they care?

Disney and Rian just said **** YOU! To the entire SW fanbase (99% of them anyway) bad move!

 

[Captain Clown]

 

[klwn]

I would love to get JJ's honest opinion right now.
I said it a few posts ago but I am convinced that's not what he had planned in his mind.

Rian did so much damage, the list is simply monumental. From the Leia scene to small details like where the **** is Luke's green lightsaber?
And I am all for Force ghosts controlling the weather but not introduced like this, all of a sudden, after 8 movies, two TV shows, and all the books/comic books where it never happened (to my knowledge at least).

 

[Prime Clone]

I just reminded myself of the moment Rey hands the lightsaber to Luke...

He could have just let it slip slowly out of his hand and fall on the ground.
He could have fallen to his knees and shed a couple tears while looking at it.
He could even have Force crushed it.

Anything but what Rian Johnson went for... Total ****ing disrespect. He seemed like such a nice guy in all the interviews.

Yes, it was totally out of kilter with the raw emotion Luke showed at the end of TFA.

As I said to my cinemagoing buddy, "We waited two years for THAT!?"

 

[Adam1138]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

Agreed.

I personally think TLJ is symptomatic of a culture that rewards weakness. I'm not remotely conservative, but I think our culture is finally reaching "peak victimhood", and the contempt toward TLJ is a symptom. The entire film was a pathetic therapy session, where in the midst of conflict everyone perpetually stops to talk about their feelings. "We're outnumbered!" "Oh no! We need more hope!" Where the original trilogy was about a struggle for freedom, the new trilogy is about the maintenance of self-esteem. The point of this film is that deep down, everyone is special and has potential. Past wisdom? To the flames! All you need is introspection, because all of the answers come from within.

Uh huh. That's a great message for a generation of kids who will be rendered obsolete by robotics and put on corporate welfare. Have no future? No problem! Just dig deep down inside, and find yourself some hope. Problem solved!

Most people aren't special and never will be, if by "special" we mean "accomplishing something you deem worth doing, that no one has done before". Want to be special? You'd better work really hard, and harness past wisdom to innovate. Forget hope. Do, or do not.

Exactly this. These new films contradict everything the OT stood for. People may think this is a sad thing for me to say, but as a kid and to this day my whole life / morality ethos was built around the OT. These new films are mocking all that I took from the original films from a morality perspective. It feels like Disney are just taking the piss out of Star Wars and making some detached “throw away” space movie franchise. DISNEY this is STAR WARS you *****king idiots!!!

 

[Spazz]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

Pretty much.

Luke had to go through a long period of trials and tests to achieve his goals. When it comes to Rey they actually state that she already knows more than can be taught to her. So burn those old useless books. (At least somebody thought to save them just in case).

The film renders the past meaningless. Even Yoda laughs about it.

The past is so meaningless that Luke gives his life for very little. Less of a sacrifice, and more committing suicide because there's no more point in him living. (He'll grow stronger as a force ghost, though I don't know how that worked out for Obi-Wan and Yoda).

1977 Star Wars had cliffhanger serials as its target, just as the Indiana Jones series, lifting images and complete scenes straight out of the 1930s and 1940s, because Lucas and Spielberg were paying tribute to their childhood inspirations.

There's a little of that legacy in TLJ. Leia floating in space would have been resolved the following Saturday; and Luke being blown up would be explained the following week as having been an illusion.

Thematically TLJ is at the opposite end of the spectrum to TPM. The former is preoccupied with being light-hearted and staying true to Disney's cartoon heritage, such as the 1937 Snow Whit, while the latter got bogged down with taxation, trade and the politics of creating war.

Yeah, if the OT was about overcoming tyranny, the prequels were about overcoming bureaucratization. I understand why Lucas felt compelled to address the issue, as the Iraq war was an abomination. However, it didn't work for the SW franchise. Lucas should have stuck to the Flash Gordon formula via Joseph Campbell, and kept the bureaucratic conflict to a minimum.

You're right; Rey doesn't need instruction because, we're to believe, she can achieve knowledge of the world via self-awareness. It's nauseating. I'm 40, so from my perspective this is the same nonsense my parents' hippy generation crammed down our throats, growing up. It's the "self-esteem movement" that we all made fun of, in our teenage years. Feel good, flower power "be your authentic self" nonsense, for millennials. It's narcissistic pandering.

 

[Spazz]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

Exactly this. These new films contradict everything the OT stood for. People may think this is a sad thing for me to say, but as a kid and to this day my whole life / morality ethos was built around the OT. These new films are mocking all that I took from the original films from a morality perspective. It feels like Disney are just taking the piss out of Star Wars and making some detached “throw away” space movie franchise. DISNEY this is STAR WARS you *****king idiots!!!

Edit: * I know what you mean. The OT had a HUMAN element to it, where the "dark" and "light" side of the force focused on compassion and cruelty. It was about how you regard others. The new trilogy is self-obsessed, in keeping with the rampant narcissistic identity culture infesting education and the media. It's propaganda.*

I'm probably going to be taken out of context in saying this, but 'here goes.

I dislike conservatism, if by "conservative" one means "an adherence to tradition". I feel that currently, self-proclaimed liberals are conservatives wrapped in a veneer of tolerance. I bring it up, because I feel that there's a well documented history of moralist conservatism rampant at Disney, which is why we're seeing a lot of liberal nonsense in both Marvel and Star Wars movies.

Conservatives think that culture has value. It doesn't. Star Wars actually transcended culture, appealing to SCIENCE. Science isn't cultural. It's not subjective. Science is an attempt to transcend our subjective experiences, by appealing to falsifiable evidence. One needs only look at the influence Star Wars has had regarding technological innovation around the globe. Star Wars (and Star Trek) sparked the imagination of millions of kids who went on to invent new technologies, to create a world where, if we're lucky, one day we'll be able to eliminate the need for labor to subsist, cure all diseases, travel into space, alter our physiology, enhance our cognitive abilities and expand our species throughout the cosmos. These dreams are universal. They unite us as a species, regardless of what you are or where you're from.

Idealism, on the other hand, is a very tribal thing. The current liberal climate wants to entrench ethnic culture in the name of tolerance. It performs Orwellian double-think, where we're to be united by our mutual divisiveness. It's completely irrational. Science and real individualism go hand-in-hand, as we attempt to falsify our own perspective without ever reaching certainty. I'll spare you my lengthy tirade, but it bothers me that Disney has their Mickey Mouse gloves on an important piece of art that transcends culture, now being used to peddle irrational normative beliefs regarding "justice" and identity.

 

[Jabba]

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Whats good in all this disaster I will save money from not buying any figure from this episode.
My only wish was for episode 7,8 and 9 to Nolan make this movies and music from Hans Zimmer.
But now its all over another triology can go to recycle bin.
Good old Vader days!!!

P.S.
Also i blame computers in many ways. Just look OT and how much love and pain was included to make OT. Same as Indiana Jones, just look episode 4.

 

[jye4ever]

You sir slong with those clowns in that theater are the ones who should take the blame put down Star Wars to its current ***ed up stage. Not Disney fault, but it was your crime instead for forcing thr SW creator himself to quit.

Maybe you’re right the PT are just misunderstood masterpieces that the 8 of you on here that truly love them are the only ones fully able to grasp the genius behind them.

The rest of us have failed GL.

I hope one day to grow up to possess the sort of intelligence needed to love the PT.

God please can you do that for me the PT deserve no less from me.

Can I let you in on a little secret?

I’m not a huge fan of these new movies either the OT are the only ones that truly matter to me BUT they’re still better than what GL himself came up with, I know that hurts to hear doesn’t it.

 

[jye4ever]

I look at it as a warm-up to IW. Hope the Russos got hazard pay.

Plus, some of the rants are hilarious. Also finding out that if I have positive feelings about TLJ it must be that I'm a millenial non-SW fan.
That was hurtful. I mean, I paid extra for a souvenir popcorn bucket.

That made me lol