Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Darkseed]

Maybe Luke feeds those things ****erry and cuts out the middle man.

Diary industry is missing a great opportunity to deal with Disney....Got Milk insert Luke pic

 

[klwn]

Disney owns Collider. They have for some time. They own 90% of blogger critics.

One of the major red flags was Ken just tweeting a pic of him next to a poster after seeing the movie at the premiere, captioned "the Force is strong" or something like that. How is that even possible from someone who lives and breathes Star Wars?
And Harloff wasn't sure how he felt, but miraculously after seeing it a second time, he loved it a lot more.

good opening minus the silly "can you hear me now" attempt at humor

That would have been fine if the joke wasn't run into the ground. Just do it once, nice and short, that's it. Such a stupid moment.

 

[aa909]

Khev how can you deny this suffering '

that's brutally honest right there. can't argue with the man himself

 

[aa909]

Seeing this pic i strongly believe Phasma is alive and will comeback to cause mayhem in epIX..just wait and see
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no need for phasma to come back and cause mayhem, I'm sure KK will do it all on her own

 

[YoNoSe]

It’s amazing that Disney controls every critic but not that one actor who they actually pay.

 

[aa909]

It actually does....read the actual reviews and it’s obvious .


And the point of the post is that Disney is very happy with the profits coming from this film. So they will stay the course so long as the name Star Wars brings paying audiences.

Like it or not, the only way this will change is if people stop going to see them......

So if this is the BvsS of the SW world , things might change.....otherwise the next film will be JL.......

And I don’t think DC has learned its lesson yet either.....

Disney does have another marker.....toys and merchandise sales.


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wow so you don't even know how to interpret data

BTW it's now down to 55% on RT and likely going to trend lower over the next few weeks

 

[aa909]

I wonder if people complaining about the SJW heavy TLJ realize that their childhood hero Hamill hates with a passion right wingers and was probably a driving force himself to load the movie up with that stuff.

As he gets older he can barely contain himself anymore about his hatred towards them.

that's such a lame correlation. I'm a middle of the road independent and hated the SJW heavy messages in TLJ. I don't want to be lectured in my Star Wars movies, I want to be entertained. When you make a crap movie and then load it up with forced messages = hot freaking mess. That's not a right vs left biased, crap is crap LOL!!

 

[klwn]

It’s amazing that Disney controls every critic but not that one actor who they actually pay.

That's not surprising. Remember when Jiang Wen let out a huge spoiler regarding a character's death on the stage at Celebration?

Also, talking of Celebration, let's not forget this:



A true wtf moment.

 

[YoNoSe]

It is known.

 

[SNIKT1950]

One of the major red flags was Ken just tweeting a pic of him next to a poster after seeing the movie at the premiere, captioned "the Force is strong" or something like that. How is that even possible from someone who lives and breathes Star Wars?
And Harloff wasn't sure how he felt, but miraculously after seeing it a second time, he loved it a lot more.

Harloff hated the movie. But he'll never admit it because he likes his job and all the free Disney merchandise he gets.

 

[rushmore223]

and you missed all that from this movie? you must be a millennial

Only millennial to be old enough to remember seeing Star Wars in the theater in 1977.

Try again.

 

[aa909]

I've been reading a lot of media spin, attempting to mitigate the backlash toward The Last Jedi. From what I've read, the media would lead us to believe people dislike TLJ because:

1. The film took too many risks, deviating from convention in a way that traditionalists just can't handle,
2. Right wing Brietbart trolls are railing against the film's "diverse" cast,
3. 4Chan bots are somehow creating thousands of fake accounts to downvote the film on IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes
4. People didn't like the comedic relief, created to alleviate the "dark" undertones within the film
5. Mark Hamill "gave fans permission" to hate the depiction of Luke Skywalker, by complaining about it himself

In reality, the actual problems are:

1. The film was boring, too long, with horribly written dialogue and subplots that meandered too far from the main conflict,
2. The "risks" that the film took broke the logic of the franchise, so that aspects of the previous films no longer make sense,
3. Several of the scenes were visually off-putting, and lacked cohesion with the tone of the franchise (Space Vegas, Yoda, The Milked Space-Cow)
4. There were plot holes everywhere, breaking the internal logic of the film itself.
5. The portrayal of Luke as an aged Jedi master was bizzare, with an inadequate explanation accounting for the character departure

None of these objections involve conservatism, whether it's a reluctance to break from tradition or some sort of ideologically driven gripe with the ethnicity or gender of the cast members. The only reason why either of those issue arise, is in reacting to the bombardment of nonsense from media and apologists defending this train wreck of a film.

Most people wanted innovation with this new film, myself included. The Force Awakens wasn't a horrible film, but it was mediocre because it rehashed too much of ANH. It was safe. Sure, TLJ took risks, but when you do that, you risk failure. Unfortunately, these risks lead to failure. Taking a chance isn't an accomplishment, in and of itself.

Every time I hear someone say, "You complain when the new trilogy doesn't take risks, THEN you complain when the new trilogy DOES take risks", I'm reminded that people are being taught there's no such thing as failure. Everyone gets a gold star, just for showing up. All you need is hope, and everything will be great. This movie is the product of that mentality. It's a Space Cow, being milked at you.

damn that was spot on!

 

[Wor-Gar]

Spazz is smart.

 

[aa909]

To be fair, if the director wants to depict a time in history where women lead because men are almost unanimously weak, that's entirely up to him. Complaining about that as "wrong" or "unjust", is no different than what SJW's do. You can't have it both ways. If one finds SJW's annoying, they should refrain from sounding exactly like them.

My take: When people applaud a movie for its diversity, even going so far as to describe an individual as diverse (which sounds as if they have multiple personalities), I don't care. But when people defend the quality of a film for its "diverse" cast, they're making an empirically false statement. Is it true that Hollywood is prejudiced? Yes, it is more difficult for an Asian woman to get a role than a non-Asian woman. Absolutely. Telling me that a movie is great because the cast is diverse, is like telling me that a bowl of ice cream will taste amazing specifically because there are 31 flavors in it. If that's your sales pitch, it's not convincing.

As for the subtext of TLJ, there did seem to be a radical feminist subtext, particularly involving Poe's mutiny and desire to barrel forward violently as opposed to taking a more "compassionate" approach to... war. And yes, the men in this film were consistently and inexplicably weak, but hey, I'm not righteously indignant about it. I just find it annoying. You could argue that this is Johnson's way of saying, "Ha! See! How does it feel when men are portrayed as weak?!" To which I'd reply, "It feels like you're portraying a radical feminist's utopia. In space." That irony is lost on Johnson.

I agree with you to a certain extent. RJ and KK's feminist message felt forced and unnatural, like I've said before you can have strong female leads like in WW and Atomic Blonde without going out of your way to drive home a contrived "girl power" message. TLJ was just trying so hard at this aspect of social justice that it came across as an "in your face lecture" vs being a natural fabric of the storyline.

 

[Uncle Bingo]

Only millennial to be old enough to remember seeing Star Wars in the theater in 1977.

Try again.

You were old enough to see SW in 77 and you still liked this thing?

 

[aa909]

I genuinely used to think that the whole paid off critics thing was complete non-sense. Really.

Then I listened to Kristian Harloff's and Ken Napzok's review from the Collider YouTube channel. Two of the biggest Star Wars fans I "know", huge lore nerds who read and know everything about canon and even a big part of Legends.
First thing I noticed is, they didn't look happy whatsoever. If you are a huge fan and just saw a Star Wars movie you loved, there is no way you can hide the happiness.
But then they started really talking about the movie, and it felt like they were trying to criticize certain aspects, but not too much, while hiding major disappointments (Luke, Snoke...). And then, they gave it a 9/10.

Now, I'm really not so sure anymore. That's really disturbing. Are they afraid they won't be invited to the premieres anymore?

and there's your insight. When there's profit to be made (and that comes in many forms including gaining access to premiers so you can feed your youtube channel) you should question everything. That's why I've discounted critic's reviews for years and focused on fan feedback.

 

[Adolfo]

Bring back George Lucas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Adolfo]

Gollum,Clint Howard, Marty Feldman, Jack Elam > TFA+TLJ

 

[aa909]

Only millennial to be old enough to remember seeing Star Wars in the theater in 1977.

Try again.

LOL!! there are some of you guys in our Gen X ranks, god bless you're a millennial at heart

 

[Adolfo]

for me best part was Hamill...you could feel his IRL conflict...and I thought his acting was superb...