Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[PJC618]

I am one person who has never left a RT review before - this was the first time due to my disappointment
this movie had some good parts but overall was handled poorly in the story and character development

I know some people liked the film, but I don't think the audience score on Rotten Tomato is wrong or even manipulated to the extent that people are writing articles about to give an excuse why it is so low, if it was really being manipulated, I think we would have seen the same results for Rogue One and The Force Awakens - both of which I liked a lot and have a high audience review scores

I did the exact same thing. I have never left a movie review or score before this. I actually really liked TFA even though is was essentially a remake, I felt haveing the old characters pass the torch to new ones in a familiar story line was a great way to open up the franchise to a new generation. The last scene of TFA set up the next movie perfectly. Then I got to sit down and see Luke throw the lightsaber over his shoulder. Incredible how much of a departure this film was from all the set up work done in TFA.

On one hand, TLJ was an entertaining ride and I totally understand why it works for some people, but I found way too many problems with it.

 

[SNIKT1950]

I am one of BR 2049's biggest fans and I also see genius in TLJ

 

[PJC618]

Reviews are about discussing a film's pluses and minuses, and the Ebert/thumbs thing certainly was a step that the major film corporations embraced as a more valuable marketing tool than just words.

But when a review that is clearly "I didn't like this film at all" in tone - as the Variety and CNN reviews clearly are (CNN even openly questions Disney's decision to give a new trilogy to Johnson) - is placed in the "Fresh" column, you really have to wonder if something is up.

Particularly in the context of the Disney/Fox deal, placing unprecedented, truly game-changing power in the hands of a single corporation. Most on here probably have no way of understanding the staggering ramifications of that deal - many in Hollywood are calling it the "big one'... in terms of a catastrophic earthquake.

The idea that new level of power couldn't alter RT and the broader media reaction to the backlash is laughable.

Someone told me that the critics themselves choose if their review is Fresh or not, regardless of what they say in the detailed review. If that is the case these Fresh ratings can't be believed either. These two reviewers are just ensuring they don't piss off Disney.

 

[Khev]

Ok. Let’s see if it rises when everyone’s out.

Yep until next week when Christmas Break and the momentum of negative fan reviews are thrown into the mix together we don't have the slightest idea what to expect.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Life... might find a way.

 

[PAINFORALL]

I did the exact same thing. I have never left a movie review or score before this. I actually really liked TFA even though is was essentially a remake, I felt haveing the old characters pass the torch to new ones in a familiar story line was a great way to open up the franchise to a new generation. The last scene of TFA set up the next movie perfectly. Then I got to sit down and see Luke throw the lightsaber over his shoulder. Incredible how much of a departure this film was from all the set up work done in TFA.

On one hand, TLJ was an entertaining ride and I totally understand why it works for some people, but I found way too many problems with it.

I agree - TFA left us with an emotional scene (to me similar to seeing Han and Chewie on the Millennium Falcon again) Luke receiving his father's lightsaber given to him by Obi-wan - that started his journey as a Jedi and thought to be long lost - at the end of TFA you can see the tears in Rey's eyes building and the emotion that had been built up to that moment. Then Rian reshoots the scene and make a joke out of it by having Luke throwing the lightsaber behind his back and not even saying a word to Rey

 

[spindrift]

For those that might think this will tank its second weekend... I have talked to a lot of people who are waiting for the Christmas break... So I think this thing will do very well, deserving or not.

second weekend will drop but not as much as some of you think- plus school's out this week and daily box office will jump...

 

[Popnfresh98]

 

[Wor-Gar]

It was a little jarring, the entire exciting opening, then BAM -- we're right back to Luke and Rey in the exact moment at the end of TFA, handing Luke the saber.

So was there a time-jump back in time? Did that opening battle actually happen while Rey was flying out to the island in TFA? Can anyone here who voraciously reads all the Star Wars books and dictionaries please explain that?

 

[TaliBane]

It was a little jarring, the entire exciting opening, then BAM -- we're right back to Luke and Rey in the exact moment at the end of TFA, handing Luke the saber.

So was there a time-jump back in time? Did that opening battle actually happen while Rey was flying out to the island in TFA? Can anyone here who voraciously reads all the Star Wars books and dictionaries please explain that?

I mentioned this issue to my buddy as it happened in the theater, but then forgot about it. Very strange treatment of time if you watch TFA and TLJ back-to-back.

 

[xipotec]

I agree - TFA left us with an emotional scene (to me similar to seeing Han and Chewie on the Millennium Falcon again) Luke receiving his father's lightsaber given to him by Obi-wan - that started his journey as a Jedi and thought to be long lost - at the end of TFA you can see the tears in Rey's eyes building and the emotion that had been built up to that moment. Then Rian reshoots the scene and make a joke out of it by having Luke throwing the lightsaber behind his back and not even saying a word to Rey

That moment initiated the slow death of this movie.

Feel Better now?


Wish I could find the post earlier showing he threw his saber away in ROTJ also....

So he is not to fond of lightsabers at that point.....

 

[SNIKT1950]

I agree - TFA left us with an emotional scene (to me similar to seeing Han and Chewie on the Millennium Falcon again) Luke receiving his father's lightsaber given to him by Obi-wan - that started his journey as a Jedi and thought to be long lost - at the end of TFA you can see the tears in Rey's eyes building and the emotion that had been built up to that moment. Then Rian reshoots the scene and make a joke out of it by having Luke throwing the lightsaber behind his back and not even saying a word to Rey

Another reason why I think JJ will retcon the **** outta this crapfest and actually give us a SW movie that we can take seriously.

 

[TaliBane]

Feel Better now?


Wish I could find the post earlier showing he threw his saber away in ROTJ also....

So he is not to fond of lightsabers at that point.....

And CONTEXT for actions is of no consequence whatsoever?

Just that he "threw a lightsaber away." Same-same.

 

[crows]

But by the logic others have been using in regards to this film, the hardcore fans are (supposedly) the ones that are the most critical of it.

Yeah those fans are talking online and voting on online forums.
Sure. Hardcore fans arguing online.

Im still talking about cinemascore going to theaters friday and asking fans across the country,

But i wonder did cinemascore had people on every theater in the country?
Did they ask one showing? All showings that friday?

Are the people that camp out in line outside the theater in a darth vader costume really the best judges for a rating?

If this was any other franchise i wouldnt question it, but star wars has a lot of looney tunes fans that will even defend the christmas specials

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

TLJ was an entertaining movie but it was a terrible star wars movie it broke all the rules and logic that was established in the last 7 movies. Nobody knows what the force is anymore after TLJ. How can they... I can believe Kylo using the force to stop bullets but now the force can do any thing. You need to breath in space, or fly (force pull) yourself back to safety no problem use the force. You want to survive a massive explosion, again not a problem just use the force. You need to talk to someone light years away, no problem, just use the force for interstellar communication by projecting an image of yourself at anytime. You want to fight battles while levitating (force grants you this power too) on a rock galaxies away, no problem, just use the force. You want to comfort your long lost sister but your too lazy to get your *** off that rock to meet her in person, no problem just send your force projection to hold and comfort her since it can apparently interact with real matter as it sees fit. Your force projection will also have lightning fast reflexes, will make you look 10-20 years younger and can manifest inanimate objects such as lightsabers at will. Your force projection doesn't need to dodge though, since it can be transparent whenever the plot, err I mean situation calls for it. You want to kill an apparently all powerful, all knowing villain that can read your mind and plant thoughts and feelings in it, no problem just use the force to somehow block this power, so that when he takes possession of a lasersword and sets it down next to him you can use the force to ignite it and cut him in half without even touching it. The force is no longer a birthright, your do not need to be born force sensitive, anyone can possess these powers at any time, going to the jedi training academy at disney parks may facilite this process but it is not necessary. It helps to have alcoholic parents that abandon you or if you are born into poverty. Then you need a broomstick, upon receiving your broomstick, the new jedi training weapon, you will no longer need to use your hands, you will just use the force to move that stick with your mind. But be warned if you use to much force power and your past a certain age, you may just vanish into thin air.

 

[rushmore223]

Why are so many going on and on about the kid with a broom?

Ok, so he was inspired by the actions of the Resistance, now he is likely going to "rebel".

What's the big deal? What's the problem with that?

Some of you will just latch on to anything to complain about this movie.

 

[jye4ever]

I would love to get this break down:

% who hated because TFA arcs were not fulfilled
% who hated because of forced SJW
% who hated because of poor structure and not because of ignored TFA arcs or forced SJW
% who hated because of Luke treatment
% who hated because of Leia treatment
% who loved because TFA arcs were not fulfilled
% who loved because of forced SJW
% who loved because of Luke treatment
% who loved because of Leia treatment

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Why are so many going on and on about the kid with a broom?

Ok, so he was inspired by the actions of the Resistance, now he is likely going to "rebel".

What's the big deal? What's the problem with that?

Some of you will just latch on to anything to complain about this movie.

Ah maybe because they ended the movie on a random kid with a broom who used the force to grab the broom while zooming in on his hand to show that he had Rose's ring/amulet. It was just another wtf moment in a movie full of them. What is so significant about broomkid that they had to end the movie on him? Its a dumb way to end the movie regardless.. We all know everyone has force powers now thanks to rian… maybe he is the new luke skywalker in some new saga Rian is planning. He will use the force to fly, shoot fire from his eyes and freeze people with his breath. He will also be faster than a speeding bullet and more powerful than a locomotive. He will wield lightsabers using the force, without touching them with his hands. He will have sex with girls using his force projection implanting his seed across the galaxy that will become the new jedi order

 

[Wor-Gar]

I would love to get this break down:

% who hated because TFA arcs were not fulfilled
% who hated because of forced SJW
% who hated because of poor structure and not because of ignored TFA arcs or forced SJW
% who hated because of Luke treatment
% who hated because of Leia treatment
% who loved because TFA arcs were not fulfilled
% who loved because of forced SJW
% who loved because of Luke treatment
% who loved because of Leia treatment

You're missing some thing, Jye:

% who hated because of Porgs
% who hated because of del Torro
% who hated because of Laura Dern
% who hated because of forced comedy
% who hated because of Broom Boy finale
% who hated because of green-milk ***** monster
% who hated because green milk was not milk
% who hated because of back-and-forth subplots that went nowhere
% who hated because of stupidity of Casino Planet
% who hated because salt is not snow
% who hated because of strange time-jumps
% who hated because of impossible Jedi tricks
% who hated because of terrible Yoda puppet
% who hated because of Leia shooting Poe
% who hated because of Rose
% who hated because of Finn still wasted
% who hated because of Phasma's 3-second return
% who hated because of Kathleen Kennedy's lies
% who hated because Snoke wasn't a vampire
% who hated because no Knights of Ren

 

[jye4ever]

You're missing some thing, Jye:

% who hated because of Porgs
% who hated because of del Torro
% who hated because of Laura Dern
% who hated because of forced comedy
% who hated because of Broom Boy finale
% who hated because of green-milk ***** monster
% who hated because green milk was not milk
% who hated because of back-and-forst subplots that went nowhere
% who hated because of stupidity of Casino Planet
% who hated because salt is not snow

I filed all that under “structure” even made an extra line for it