Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Star Puffs]

also, i enjoyed this article as well. i agree 100% with it.

https://bittergertrude.com/2017/12/...t-jedi-is-subversive-af-and-i-am-here-for-it/

Actual quotes from said article:

"The Last Jedi has a clear message: The nearly all-white, overwhemingly male, privilege-based way of thinking that celebrates war culture and toxic masculinity and that created the First Order has to go, both in the larger world and as it’s internalized in our hearts and minds, and in its place will be something entirely new, created by diverse young people who are walking away from war culture, walking away from toxic masculinity, walking away from systems of privilege."

"No matter how much power they accrue, no matter how many angry young white men they convince we are the enemy, the light still stands. The future is brown, and female, and brilliant, and fierce, does not give even one single **** about the way things used to be."

"Please attack cisheteronormativity in your next film."

 

[Asta]

 

[Prime Clone]

in its place will be something entirely new, created by diverse young people who are walking away from war culture

It shall henceforth be known as Star Respectful Debates!

 

[Asta]

 

[Popnfresh98]

Actual quotes from said article:

"The Last Jedi has a clear message: The nearly all-white, overwhemingly male, privilege-based way of thinking that celebrates war culture and toxic masculinity and that created the First Order has to go, both in the larger world and as it’s internalized in our hearts and minds, and in its place will be something entirely new, created by diverse young people who are walking away from war culture, walking away from toxic masculinity, walking away from systems of privilege."

"No matter how much power they accrue, no matter how many angry young white men they convince we are the enemy, the light still stands. The future is brown, and female, and brilliant, and fierce, does not give even one single **** about the way things used to be."

"Please attack cisheteronormativity in your next film."

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Game, set, and match.

 

[YoNoSe]

Rey has never flown a single thing in her life

“I’ve flown a few ships before but never left the planet”

 

[klwn]

See, that's why a healthy box office isn't enough: https://www.forbes.com/sites/luketh...-toys-selling-as-well-this-year/#1d56980c54e5

(to summarize, 47% drop on toy orders)

This video is pretty funny as well:

 

[Asta]

It's those bargain bins overflowing with TPM figures again. Back when Lucas hoodwinked the toy manufacturers into letting them think he was making a Star Wars trilogy.

 

[YoNoSe]

Star Wars is dead. Again.
Long live Star Wars. Again.

 

[Rorywan]

If the movie was good, I would be buying toys. The big problem with TLJ (for people who hate it) is that it also retroactively kills any interest in TFA and even SW as a whole.

Disney are seriously freaking out behind the scenes I would imagine. No one doubted this movie would make a tonne of cash, but it's not about this movie, but it has rattled the cage in regards to future projects. The cash cow piñata has possibly been exploded, the shroud of SW fandom has fallen. Disney may suddenly be aware that SW fans are more discerning than they thought and won't buy into any old ****. SW movies thrive on repeat tickets. Fans who go again and again.

TLJ has sent a clear message in this regards.

 

[klwn]

If the movie was good, I would be buying toys. The big problem with TLJ (for people who hate it) is that it also retroactively kills any interest in TFA and even SW as a whole.

Disney are seriously freaking out behind the scenes I would imagine. No one doubted this movie would make a tonne of cash, but it's not about this movie, but it has rattled the cage in regards to future projects. The cash cow piñata has possibly been exploded, the shroud of SW fandom has fallen. Disney may suddenly be aware that SW fans are more discerning than they thought and won't buy into any old ****. SW movies thrive on repeat tickets. Fans who go again and again.

TLJ has sent a clear message in this regards.

Yes, I'm so glad I didn't purchase anything from the TFA line. I collect statues/props so that's expensive, and I would really be pissed now.
I held off on Kylo originally because I told myself that I wanted the "final" version, after he had completed his training as mentioned by Snoke in TFA, and wasn't a big fan of his portrayal in TFA. I wanted him to mature a bit before committing.
Same with Rey, I wanted a more trained, battle-weary version. Now that none of that really happened...
Couldn't wait for an old Luke statue with green lightsaber but considering what he did in the movie, that would be more of a nostalgia purchase, just to have a Luke statue.

Hey but at least they are selling Porgs.

 

[Autumn Thunder]

If the movie was good, I would be buying toys. The big problem with TLJ (for people who hate it) is that it also retroactively kills any interest in TFA and even SW as a whole.

Disney are seriously freaking out behind the scenes I would imagine. No one doubted this movie would make a tonne of cash, but it's not about this movie, but it has rattled the cage in regards to future projects. The cash cow piñata has possibly been exploded, the shroud of SW fandom has fallen. Disney may suddenly be aware that SW fans are more discerning than they thought and won't buy into any old ****. SW movies thrive on repeat tickets. Fans who go again and again.

TLJ has sent a clear message in this regards.

This what i've been saying is gonna happen. But people in denial on this board seem to think cause it's making $, that it wouldn't be so.
Again, all that talk about practical effects, getting back to good ol' story telling, and caring about the characters again(pre ep7 talk) and they give us THIS?

 

[jye4ever]

Star Wars is dead. Again.
Long live Star Wars. Again.

I just came here to see how the “30 guys who took down Star Wars” fantasy is moving along, quite healthy I see lol.

If the movie was good, I would be buying toys. The big problem with TLJ (for people who hate it) is that it also retroactively kills any interest in TFA and even SW as a whole.

Disney are seriously freaking out behind the scenes I would imagine. No one doubted this movie would make a tonne of cash, but it's not about this movie, but it has rattled the cage in regards to future projects. The cash cow piñata has possibly been exploded, the shroud of SW fandom has fallen. Disney may suddenly be aware that SW fans are more discerning than they thought and won't buy into any old ****. SW movies thrive on repeat tickets. Fans who go again and again.

TLJ has sent a clear message in this regards.

That’s all well and good Rory that’s what Wor-Gar also believes it’s not about the current successfull box office but about long term brand damage right.

Then explain this.

By 2005 Lucas himself killed SW with his PT.

SW fans universally coined the phrase “LUCAS ***** MY CHILDHOOD!” because of the PT Rory!

”LUCAS ***** MY CHILDHOOD!”

Should I write it again!

The JarJar backlash was HUGE!

The Jake Lloyd backlash was HUGE!

SW had become the universal laughing stock of cinema.

Red Letter Media released their EPIC Star Wars review that even Lucas and his ILM staff were said to have watched in its entirety.

Audiences were literally pointing at the screen and laughing at Hayden’s dialogue in AOTC!

SW was DEAD the PT had caused long term irreparable damage to the mother of all brands.

Then TFA came along and became the 2nd highest grossing movie in cinema history.

Therefore if SW can rebound from the disaster that were the PT it will most certainly recover from the damage the TLJ has caused AND I might add this damage from TLJ is nowhere close to the reputation damage Lucas had brought to his own creation.

Show me a universal “Kennedy ***** My SW!” outside of the 50 members here who hate it or that skewed RT score.

51% RT fan score that is more than likely 10%-15% skewed with SJW hatred does not constitute “LUCAS ***** MY CHILDHOOD!”

Sure did TLJ perform like Disney wanted of course not.

Oh well time for improvements I guess.

But SW isn’t going anywhere.

 

[Adolfo]

I just came here to see how the “30 guys who took down Star Wars” fantasy is moving along, quite healthy I see lol.



That’s all well and good Rory that’s what Wor-Gar also believes it’s not about the current successfull box office but about long term brand damage right.

Then explain this.

By 2005 Lucas himself killed SW with his PT.

SW fans universally coined the phrase “LUCAS ***** MY CHILDHOOD!” because of the PT Rory!

”LUCAS ***** MY CHILDHOOD!”

Should I write it again!

The JarJar backlash was HUGE!

The Jake Lloyd backlash was HUGE!

SW had become the universal laughing stock of cinema.

Red Letter Media released their EPIC Star Wars review that even Lucas and his ILM staff were said to have watched in its entirety.

Audiences were literally pointing at the screen and laughing at Hayden’s dialogue in AOTC!

SW was DEAD the PT had caused long term irreparable damage to the mother of all brands.

Then TFA came along and became the 2nd highest grossing movie in cinema history.

Therefore if SW can rebound from the disaster that were the PT it will most certainly recover from the damage the TLJ has caused AND I might add this damage from TLJ is nowhere close to the reputation damage Lucas had brought to his own creation.

Show me a universal “Kennedy ***** My SW!” outside of the 50 members here who hate it or that skewed RT score.

51% RT fan score that is more than likely 10%-15% skewed with SJW hatred does not constitute “LUCAS ***** MY CHILDHOOD!”

Sure did TLJ perform like Disney wanted of course not.

Oh well time for improvements I guess.

But SW isn’t going anywhere.

I never said any of that....proudly

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

If they say they won't see Episode IX, they're lying

 

[Adolfo]

EXACTLY!

You totally nailed why I hate it. Everyone gets a ******ing trophy.

The Force has become Entitlement.

Exactly.....100% ...cowards are afraid to see it, to say it, make excuses for it or just plain dumb

 

[Rorywan]

I just came here to see how the “30 guys who took down Star Wars” fantasy is moving along, quite healthy I see lol.



That’s all well and good Rory that’s what Wor-Gar also believes it’s not about the current successfull box office but about long term brand damage right.

Then explain this.

By 2005 Lucas himself killed SW with his PT.

SW fans universally coined the phrase “LUCAS ***** MY CHILDHOOD!” because of the PT Rory!

”LUCAS ***** MY CHILDHOOD!”

Should I write it again!

The JarJar backlash was HUGE!

The Jake Lloyd backlash was HUGE!

SW had become the universal laughing stock of cinema.

Red Letter Media released their EPIC Star Wars review that even Lucas and his ILM staff were said to have watched in its entirety.

Audiences were literally pointing at the screen and laughing at Hayden’s dialogue in AOTC!

SW was DEAD the PT had caused long term irreparable damage to the mother of all brands.

Then TFA came along and became the 2nd highest grossing movie in cinema history.

Therefore if SW can rebound from the disaster that were the PT it will most certainly recover from the damage the TLJ has caused AND I might add this damage from TLJ is nowhere close to the reputation damage Lucas had brought to his own creation.

Show me a universal “Kennedy ***** My SW!” outside of the 50 members here who hate it or that skewed RT score.

51% RT fan score that is more than likely 10%-15% skewed with SJW hatred does not constitute “LUCAS ***** MY CHILDHOOD!”

Sure did TLJ perform like Disney wanted of course not.

Oh well time for improvements I guess.

But SW isn’t going anywhere.

The prequels were too far removed from Star Wars to have any lasting effect. They were like a spin off TV show or Clone Wars cartoon- take or leave them.
And even though then the backlash was nothing like this. This movie has Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia in it for gawds sake.
This was the movie trilogy that SW fans wanted to love, far more so than the prequels.

Apples and rotten oranges.
Surprised you think the RT score isn't representative though. A large number of my real world SW buddies thought it was **** too. I mean look at this forum? It's too easy to dismiss people dissapontment and actual outrage as a skewed RT score.
That's Disney talk... tut tut.

 

[Adolfo]

EXACTLY!

You totally nailed why I hate it. Everyone gets a ******ing trophy.

If they say they won't see Episode IX, they're lying

gonna see it...for free if possible...only once too...my 19 yr old son has not seen TLJ yet...I'm proud of that

 

[klwn]

But SW isn’t going anywhere.

Absolutely, but now that it's part of the big Disney machine, revenues matter a lot more than when it was just Lucas's who was already a happy billionaire simply looking to make more movies (and whose motivation was smashed by the reactions to the PT).

Star Wars has a long life ahead of it and I'm really happy that's the case. I don't want it to die. What kind of fan wants Star Wars to die?
They just need to make better movies that don't generate such a huge split in the fanbase and that don't damage the brand further.
Of course Star Wars isn't gonna die but the potential can gradually decrease from movie to movie, to a point that they are 'only' making $700-900 million each, with proportionately lower and lower merch sales, etc...

 

[noface]

Thought some of you might find this funny