Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Wor-Gar]

if the only remaining survivors (not including Rey & Chewbacca) could fit in the Falcon then the death toll for the Resistance must have been phenomenal!! HUGE loss.

Yep - Grunberg, Asian guy from Lost, that crazy alien in chartreuse, all gone.

 

[Khev]

Yep - Grunberg, Asian guy from Lost, that crazy alien in chartreuse, all gone.

I did notice that Johnson pretty much 86'd all of Abrams' bit players except for Fisher's daughter and the one guy with the white beard.

 

[Spazz]

That disputes nothing that I said. Everyone knows that there were no new Kenner SW toys between 1985 and 1995. Again, common knowledge.

Huh? You said, " So he could have immediately begun work on the prequels then if he were so inclined." That's false. You were wrong. Your entire premise was hinged on the fact that Lucas could have made the PT earlier and monetized the licensing in a way that he deemed adequate. Not true. The documentary you sighted explicitly argues that the timing of the PT revolved around licensing of toys. So your own cited references debunk your own perspective.

 

[Prime Clone]

Lucas announced the prequels in ‘91 but didn’t start filming till ‘97. The toy license expiry may have influenced the announcement but not much else.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I did notice that Johnson pretty much 86'd all of Abrams' bit players except for Fisher's daughter and the one guy with the white beard.

I wonder if the head-butting happened in real life too? Odd if Disney was so pleased with Rian that they would bring back the guy that Rian spent an entire movie erasing.

 

[klwn]

Curious who is the Leader of the First Order (i.e.. President). Is it Snoke? Also Hux must have a very high command as per his big speech in TFA on Star Killer base. Not 100% sure what Kylo’s job is in the context of the First Order. What does the sign on his Office or Business card say? Sith? Basically what I am trying to understand is that in TLJ – The First Order dispatched their President (Snoke?), Vice President (Hux?) and top advisor (Kylo?) to destroy/capture a small handful of Rebels? Aside from the expendable soldiers is Leia the “Bin Laden” of the Rebels? Even with Bin Laden, there was no need for Obama physically be on the mission. So who is the Leader of the First Order (i.e.. President)? Can't be Snoke as him and Kylo appear to have their own personal "Jedi" agenda.



On a side note if the only remaining survivors (not including Rey & Chewbacca) could fit in the Falcon then the death toll for the Resistance must have been phenomenal!! HUGE loss.

Snoke was Supreme Leader, that's pretty explicit. Now Kylo is the Supreme Leader.

Prior to that, Hux can be seen as Tarkin and Kylo as Vader. Hux is a military leader, Kylo is Snoke's weapon and as such outranks everyone although not explicitly stated.

 

[Khev]

Huh? You said, " So he could have immediately begun work on the prequels then if he were so inclined." That's false. You were wrong. Your entire premise was hinged on the fact that Lucas could have made the PT earlier and monetized the licensing in a way that he deemed adequate. Not true. The documentary you sighted explicitly argues that the timing of the PT revolved around licensing of toys. So your own cited references debunk your own perspective.

Dude you have no idea what you're talking about or even what I'm saying. Kenner lost the rights to the toys shortly after their 1985 toy line ended--FACT. Which means Lucas could have gone gangbusters with the new trilogy *as early as the late 80's* if his only hangup was the toy rights. Again this is a FACT. But clearly that wasn't the reason for the delay. Good lord are you really basing your argument on some guesses made by some toy documentary filmmakers as opposed to what George himself said in the interview I posted above?

 

[Prime Clone]

I did notice that Johnson pretty much 86'd all of Abrams' bit players except for Fisher's daughter and the one guy with the white beard.

The absence of Snap Wexley was possibly my favourite aspect of TLJ!

 

[Khev]

The absence of Snap Wexley was possibly my favourite aspect of TLJ!

His reconnaissance run over Starkiller base in TFA was what allowed the FO to track him back to the Illinium System so hopefully he died a stupid death. That loser.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Oh, Snap!

 

[Bo Shrek]

Curious who is the Leader of the First Order (i.e.. President). Is it Snoke? Also Hux must have a very high command as per his big speech in TFA on Star Killer base. Not 100% sure what Kylo’s job is in the context of the First Order. What does the sign on his Office or Business card say? Sith? Basically what I am trying to understand is that in TLJ – The First Order dispatched their President (Snoke?), Vice President (Hux?) and top advisor (Kylo?) to destroy/capture a small handful of Rebels? Aside from the expendable soldiers is Leia the “Bin Laden” of the Rebels? Even with Bin Laden, there was no need for Obama physically be on the mission. So who is the Leader of the First Order (i.e.. President)? Can't be Snoke as him and Kylo appear to have their own personal "Jedi" agenda.



On a side note if the only remaining survivors (not including Rey & Chewbacca) could fit in the Falcon then the death toll for the Resistance must have been phenomenal!! HUGE loss.

Also the Empire must have had a great Insurance policy or the best Accountants because they sure were able to get back on their feet fast with Star Killer Base, the Dreadnaught etc after the events of ROTJ. They seem to be doing something right as opposed to the Rebels who finally “destroyed” the Empire but appeared to **** it all up in less that 30 years!! And still using the same tired old space ships.


My kids Karate association has a “Grand Master” but that means nothing in context of governing the world. Supreme Leader could have been a “mystical” title as he and Kylo appear to be on another Journey!!

 

[Spazz]

Dude you have no idea what you're talking about or even what I'm saying. Kenner lost the rights to the toys shortly after their 1985 toy line ended--FACT. Which means Lucas could have gone gangbusters with the new trilogy *as early as the late 80's* if his only hangup was the toy rights. Again this is a FACT. But clearly that wasn't the reason for the delay. Good lord are you really basing your argument on some guesses made by some toy documentary filmmakers as opposed to what George himself said in the interview I posted above?

YOU'RE WRONG. Here's another source: https://archive.fortune.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1997/08/18/230223/index.htm

"In 1991, Hasbro bought Kenner. But by then, sales of Star Wars toys were nonexistent, so a Hasbro accountant figured he could save the company $100,000 by not sending George Lucas a check. A year later a Lucas employee saw Galoob's product line at a trade show and asked the company whether it would be interested in making Star Wars toys. Galoob's management jumped at the chance, launched its own Star Wars line, and promoted it heavily. Hasbro struck back and convinced Lucas that it still wanted to make Star Wars toys after all, but Galoob had its foot in the door."

 

[Khev]

YOU'RE WRONG.

Lol, how much time did you spend digging up that article? Okay, so 1991 vs. my erroneous claim of "late 80's." You got me there.

I obviously didn't know the exact year that the royalties to Lucas stopped, my point was that George didn't wait to do the prequels because of merchandising rights. You can claim differently but forgive me if I take his word over yours.

 

[xipotec]

Also the Empire must have had a great Insurance policy or the best Accountants because they sure were able to get back on their feet fast with Star Killer Base, the Dreadnaught etc after the events of ROTJ. They seem to be doing something right as opposed to the Rebels who finally “destroyed” the Empire but appeared to **** it all up in less that 30 years!! And still using the same tired old space ships.


My kids Karate association has a “Grand Master” but that means nothing in context of governing the world. Supreme Leader could have been a “mystical” title as he and Kylo appear to be on another Journey!!

What was Vader’s title? Henchmen ton the Emperor?

My guess is Snoke was not just the political figurehead, but a spiritual one also...Hux is totally flummoxed after he is killed....like many Nazi’s were after Hitlers Suicide.

Kylo was his dog/hitman/ and spiritual student. Kylo just killed the leader and caused a coup detat.....the FO and its command will have to decide to go against him or follow him. Hux seems to see where the wind is blowing...

People seem to believe that the Death Star explosion and The death of the Emperor was the end of the Empire.

It definitely started a stronger rebellion, but clearly the strength of the Empire thou the galaxy was formidable and they reformed under the FO to attempt to regain the lost power....

Too many people believe that the end of ROTJ all the bad guys were dead and freedom was instant for everyone...

But when your a child what’s easy to believe.
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[Spazz]

Lol, how much time did you spend digging up that article? Okay, so 1991 vs. my erroneous claim of "late 80's." You got me there.

I obviously didn't know the exact year that the royalties to Lucas stopped, my point was that George didn't wait to do the prequels because of merchandising rights. You can claim differently but forgive me if I take his word over yours.

So you made up facts... sorry, FACTS... that contradicted the sources that you yourself were citing in defense of your own argument. Yes, I got you there. Lucas DID wait to do the prequels until after he regained, then renegotiated the licensing for the toys. It's a billion dollar industry. Every source discussing the deal claims that Georges timing was likely more than a coincidence. The timing is hilariously suspect. There's a conflict of interest. George pitches his timing as if it was the result of innovation, which is a great way to promote your film studio, but obviously bs. Hey, believe what you want. However, to suggest that a billion dollar licensing industry in no way influences creative decisions? You've got your head buried in the sand.

 

[Khev]

I'm right and George Lucas is wrong.

Sorry but I'm going to side with him on this one. Sure he's changed his story on various items over the years but he's always maintained that the primary reasons for making the prequels so late was needing a break from SW and that he didn't want to do them unless VFX technology advanced dramatically. Was there overlap with toy rights? Sure, that's not in question but it was never the primary or even secondary reason that he waited as long as he did.

 

[Spazz]

Sorry but I'm going to side with him on this one. Sure he's changed his story on various items over the years but he's always maintained that the primary reasons for making the prequels so late was needing a break from SW and that he didn't want to do them unless VFX technology advanced dramatically. Was there overlap with toy rights? Sure, that's not in question but it was never the primary or even secondary reason that he waited as long as he did.

What happened to all those FACTS that you felt were important? They're not important anymore, now that they no longer validate your argument? What was it that you said?

"Dude you have no idea what you're talking about or even what I'm saying. Kenner lost the rights to the toys shortly after their 1985 toy line ended--FACT. Which means Lucas could have gone gangbusters with the new trilogy "

He couldn't have. You were wrong. Lucas contradicts himself and has a conflict of interest, so he's not reliable. Empirical evidence suggests that he made the PT to sell toys. The PT itself suggests that he made the PT to sell toys! You just can't face reality.

 

[Khev]

What happened to all those FACTS that you felt were important? They're not important anymore, now that they no longer validate your argument? What was it that you said?

"Dude you have no idea what you're talking about or even what I'm saying. Kenner lost the rights to the toys shortly after their 1985 toy line ended--FACT. Which means Lucas could have gone gangbusters with the new trilogy "

He couldn't have. You were wrong. Lucas contradicts himself and has a conflict of interest, so he's not reliable. Empirical evidence suggests that he made the PT to sell toys. The PT itself suggests that he made the PT to sell toys! You just can't face reality.

So your entire thesis is that George Lucas has been openly lying for about two decades about the reason for the delay and that if he only had the toy rights that he wanted back in the day that after ROTJ he would have immediately jumped into the PT and in 1987 or 1988 we would have gotten The Phantom Menace with "Willow" era visual effects? Get real.

I said from the beginning that I was basing the toy line royalty checks timeline off that Netflix documentary. They said that after 1985 Kenner stopped sending Lucas the checks and so I incorrectly guessed "late 80's" as the year they stopped which apparently was proven wrong by whatever article you linked (assuming it was correct.) But so what. The basis for my argument was always George's own words so chill out. Sheesh, lol.

 

[medicomsucks]

I have no idea what's going on, it's like republicans vs democrats.

 

[Khev]

I have no idea what's going on

That makes two of you then.