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Seretur
Elf
Josh, you seem to have FEWER points than me!
Seretur said:
Josh, you seem to have FEWER points than me!
I have 918 currently with 818 pending. I've had a lot of orders since they announced the items that would be allowed by starting date that where phone orders. Seeing as I can't order from school I have to use the phone.
Seretur
Elf
Fie on schools that don't have internet in every classroom. :maul
Would have been nice if the lightsabers lit up, as well as the lava part of the base. I think that would have justified the rather steep MSRP.
But this piece will also follow the tried and true script of SS preorders:
1. It will sell out rather quickly (pre-order wise.)
2. Speculators will pounce because it's the first in the line.
3. Come shipping time, tons of cancellations will ensue.
4. It will later appear as a second chance offer.
5. Will later be found for under $200 on ebay.
2000 is just way too high of an ES. Taking the mighty Lurtz PF as an example, at an equal ES (including exclusive & regular) it's still available from SS.
I always get a laugh out of all of the "I'm getting it!" posts whenever a new piece is announced. Then when it's close to shipping time, the majority of the same people have ended up cancelling the piece. I rather appreciate the honest, "crap, it's too expensive." type of posts from the get-go.
But this piece will also follow the tried and true script of SS preorders:
1. It will sell out rather quickly (pre-order wise.)
2. Speculators will pounce because it's the first in the line.
3. Come shipping time, tons of cancellations will ensue.
4. It will later appear as a second chance offer.
5. Will later be found for under $200 on ebay.
2000 is just way too high of an ES. Taking the mighty Lurtz PF as an example, at an equal ES (including exclusive & regular) it's still available from SS.
I always get a laugh out of all of the "I'm getting it!" posts whenever a new piece is announced. Then when it's close to shipping time, the majority of the same people have ended up cancelling the piece. I rather appreciate the honest, "crap, it's too expensive." type of posts from the get-go.
FlyAndFight said:I rather appreciate the honest, "crap, it's too expensive." type of posts from the get-go.
I think for some people though, at preorder time, they can afford it and really like it, but when shipping time comes, life has intervened and CCs and bank accounts may not be as well off as 6 months before, but the beauty of the system is you can preorder and if there's a problem when it counts, you can opt out, I love that about SSC cuz I always want everything, lol, and sometimes when it's time to ship it to me, I have to say no cuz of what's gone on in my life, but I put my name in cuz if life favors me, then I'll get my hands on a sought after item.
Crap, it's too expensive. Not ordering.
Seretur
Elf
This is all true, Alex. Alas.
Still, I think the Sandtrooper on Dewback is a better point of comparison than Lurtz.
Lurtz is a first piece in a line that hasn't taken off yet, and collectors are scared of investing in it. It's also a minor character, however big a fan favorite.
Obi-Wan and Anakin, on the other hand, are the main characters -- and this duel is the pivotal moment in the entire saga. Also, this ES is just not large when it comes to high-end Star Wars items. Look at that Dewback: a background character, ES of 1500, SRP of $240, and it's a grail now.
I have no fear for the future of this line, especially if C4 and SDCC bring new announcements. The artistry and ambition is there, and it might be just what's needed -- especially now that GG has soured so many people up with their approach to exclusives, and high-end SW collectors might start looking for a company that treats them more fairly.
Still, I think the Sandtrooper on Dewback is a better point of comparison than Lurtz.
Lurtz is a first piece in a line that hasn't taken off yet, and collectors are scared of investing in it. It's also a minor character, however big a fan favorite.
Obi-Wan and Anakin, on the other hand, are the main characters -- and this duel is the pivotal moment in the entire saga. Also, this ES is just not large when it comes to high-end Star Wars items. Look at that Dewback: a background character, ES of 1500, SRP of $240, and it's a grail now.
I have no fear for the future of this line, especially if C4 and SDCC bring new announcements. The artistry and ambition is there, and it might be just what's needed -- especially now that GG has soured so many people up with their approach to exclusives, and high-end SW collectors might start looking for a company that treats them more fairly.
anakin1138
Super Freak
Seretur said:
Superditto!!! I'm a Gentle Giant collector since day 1 and I have the whole lineup plus exes... now seeing all these exclusives really is a bit of a problem as I see clone commanders go for more than 150 dollars each on ebay, and It will be a problem, I think, getting the 500 reserved for the collectors club as many people will wait that order instead of taking each one from ebay... we'll see, CIV is the first and we'll have 3 exclusive busts to get, at least I... I do hope to get a deal for the 3 from a trusted ebay seller.
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Darth Caedus
Formerly Congerking
Seretur said:
Yea, I was goign to say pretty much the SAME thing you said. I will add, that because of all the competition, great products are being released. Nothing bad to say about that, except that I need to get more money to pay for them all...:chew :chew
IrishJedi said:Crap, it's too expensive. Not ordering.
MaulFan, I'm in complete agreement regarding SS's fantastic policy. The problem I see with a lot of the high-priced items is that because of SS's lenient policy, an inflated interest appears for a piece and then comes crashing down come time to fork over the cash. I'm willing to bet that a large number of preorders on higher priced items are cancelled because they, the purchaser, never intended to buy in the first place. So for the several months between the time the item was available for pre-order until the time it's ready to ship, it provides these people with the chance to post as if they are indeed getting it, then we start seeing the, "I'm thinking of cancelling the xxxxxx" type of posts. Same ol', same ol'.
Vlad, you bring up an excellent point regarding the Dewback but I think Lurtz makes a good example as well because we've received nothing but super-positive reviews and yet it's still available. Sure, the lack of new announcements in the LOTR PF line has soured the line big-time, but Lurtz has been available since September, if not mistaken.
The bottom line is that these are very high-priced collectibles and there is a smaller market for them and the ES should take that into account. I still say 2000 is just too big of an ES. I think the piece looks fantastic and I would love to get it, but I'm not ready to pay $300 (with shipping) for it.*
*Though why am I getting flashbacks of the original Balrog running through my mind?...
Seretur said:
Well, they do but the Firewall here blocks certain sites for shopping etc.
MaulFan said:
Yup, I think it's a bit of an assumption to say well most of the people ordering never intended to buy it. I would say a percentage yes but to say most probably a tad bit of a stretch. I've had to cancel several pieces over the last few months I had every intention of getting but had to cancel because of money and factoring other pieces I know I would want a little more.
FlyAndFight said:
I don't think there's a great deal of validity to what you're saying. Since we have no clue who legitimately orders and receives these items but for those who post pictures that are clearly their own, anyone could easily BS their way around these threads about ordering and cancelling without ever pulling the trigger and actually putting an order through. I also don't think the interest is persay inflated, but rather a realistic representation of fan interest, but many of us have bigger eyes than financial backup, but because some of these things can be hard to find and what not, we put our name in for one to secure it on the chance we will be able to afford it and if we can't when the time comes, you just say cancel and end of story. I have many items I've had to cancel due to recent financial and life choices I'm making, but if life hadn't changed on me, I would have received them all, and I think most people who preorder are the same way. Not to mention at 2000 pcs, I would wager maybe 200, if that, unique people will post in threads about the item, so you're talking a 10th of the total ES, so where does the "I want to post about the item and have something to say" logic fit because in that scenario 1800 other orders would be made without posting in forums.
swabie2424
Super Freak
I agree that with a $280 price point that 2000 is too high of an edition size. That is a major commitment to a collectible. There will be a high percentage of cancellations (compared to maybe what the norm is for Sideshow) on this piece once the "new" WOW factor wears off.
I really love this piece... and until I saw the price I was really considering ordering. But I think I'm gonna pass for now. If I can get it cheaper later... then I may do that.
I really love this piece... and until I saw the price I was really considering ordering. But I think I'm gonna pass for now. If I can get it cheaper later... then I may do that.
jlcmsu said:
I actually wrote that a large number pre-order with the intent of not going through with it in the end. I never wrote "most". But that's just semantics. It costs nothing to dream and by pre-ordering without risk of penalty, it allows all of us to do just that. I'd be curious to see the number of cancellations received by the online dealers that do charge a percentage in penalty. I'm willing to bet that it's significantly lower. The same unknown variables apply, but when you know ahead of time that there IS a penalty, you tend to be more serious in your preorders.
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