Terminator Genisys (July 1st, 2015)
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Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
The fact of the matter is that your argument has already disproven itself with other films, though. If he had to have the bodybuilder physique from T1 to mask the endoskeleton, how did his much leaner, less "Mr. Olympia" physique mask the Endo properly in T2? The fact of the matter is that the T-800 was an infiltration unit, that means that, in The Terminator universe, these things could go for years incognito. How are you going to infiltrate a place where everyone gets older, but you stay the same age without being conspicuous? I don't know, maybe I just like the biological tissue argument because half the others I've heard are so ludicrously asinine. "Arnold is the Scientist who built The Terminators! Do you remember what happened the last time Arnold was a scientist *coughs* Batman & Robin *coughs*. "Arnold is the guy who protected Sarah Connor as a little girl!" And this inspires the look of a Terminator that's 30 years younger than he is? "The Terminator is an artificial Endoskeleton beneath an organic body of muscle and skin, which ages like any other tissue." That actually makes sense.
There's no fickleness or fare-weathering here. I'm all for Arnie reprising an age-appropriate role. You know, the roles he said he was focusing on with his return to acting. This is a desperate attempt for a cash grab by having the T800 nonsensically age and the endo to shrivel and shrink so it can be inside of a 66 year old man who's faaaaaaaaaar from where he was when we, the audience were told why the "body builder frame" was important for housing the endo. I'm sorry you can't see that. I'll defend him when people post the heart surgery photo because that's not fair. This, on the other hand, is completely ludicrous. As a matter of fact, I'd argue that this is just as bad a concept as Sergeant Candy.
The fact of the matter is that your argument has already disproven itself with other films, though. If he had to have the bodybuilder physique from T1 to mask the endoskeleton, how did his much leaner, less "Mr. Olympia" physique mask the Endo properly in T2? The fact of the matter is that the T-800 was an infiltration unit, that means that, in The Terminator universe, these things could go for years incognito. How are you going to infiltrate a place where everyone gets older, but you stay the same age without being conspicuous? I don't know, maybe I just like the biological tissue argument because half the others I've heard are so ludicrously asinine. "Arnold is the Scientist who built The Terminators! Do you remember what happened the last time Arnold was a scientist *coughs* Batman & Robin *coughs*. "Arnold is the guy who protected Sarah Connor as a little girl!" And this inspires the look of a Terminator that's 30 years younger than he is? "The Terminator is an artificial Endoskeleton beneath an organic body of muscle and skin, which ages like any other tissue." That actually makes sense.
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Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
Cash Grab is all this is. It will be terrible and no better then T3!
Cash Grab is all this is. It will be terrible and no better then T3!
Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
Yeah, I mean, we were even entertained by T2 the movie in the early 1990s, what kind of primitive subhumans were we back then?
Don't **** with Sega Genesis, a-dev.
Yeah, I mean, we were even entertained by T2 the movie in the early 1990s, what kind of primitive subhumans were we back then?
Don't **** with Sega Genesis, a-dev.
Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
They want Arnold back as a Terminator? Make him a T-1000. Problem solved. Just have Arnold be the grizzled old man that future John looks up to, he's killed, T-1000 takes his place and now we've got Arnold as an appropriately aged looking but still fearsome robotic killer. That took about five seconds to come up with. They're not even trying.
They could have even gotten really clever and messed with us by showing human Arnold about to enter the time displacement machine, he hears a noise behind him, turns, and then they cut to him arriving in the present. We all assume that it's the "good guy" old man, and whammo, turns out that that guy was killed moments before entering the time machine and now we've got a nasty old T-1000 to deal with.
They want Arnold back as a Terminator? Make him a T-1000. Problem solved. Just have Arnold be the grizzled old man that future John looks up to, he's killed, T-1000 takes his place and now we've got Arnold as an appropriately aged looking but still fearsome robotic killer. That took about five seconds to come up with. They're not even trying.
They could have even gotten really clever and messed with us by showing human Arnold about to enter the time displacement machine, he hears a noise behind him, turns, and then they cut to him arriving in the present. We all assume that it's the "good guy" old man, and whammo, turns out that that guy was killed moments before entering the time machine and now we've got a nasty old T-1000 to deal with.
Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
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In T3 he was more then "appropriately aged" looking already and hilarious to even look at, outfit aside.
The idea of old Arnold to represent a fearsome cyborg is stupid and nothing can't help it.
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In T3 he was more then "appropriately aged" looking already and hilarious to even look at, outfit aside.
The idea of old Arnold to represent a fearsome cyborg is stupid and nothing can't help it.
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Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
Nope. T-1000's assume the appearance of whatever age of their victim. And a killer robot that looks like an old Arnold can sure as hell be fearsome. It doesn't matter obviously, since I'm sure it'll be campy and stupid just like T3 with Arnold allowing tons of demystifying jokes at his own expense.
Nope. T-1000's assume the appearance of whatever age of their victim. And a killer robot that looks like an old Arnold can sure as hell be fearsome. It doesn't matter obviously, since I'm sure it'll be campy and stupid just like T3 with Arnold allowing tons of demystifying jokes at his own expense.
Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
There was a guy on eBay selling an naked Arnold custom and gave him this big *** peen. Please, don't be one of those guys
That's what my collection is missing
There was a guy on eBay selling an naked Arnold custom and gave him this big *** peen. Please, don't be one of those guys
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Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
The Austrian actor they used - Roland Kickinger, actually looks like a younger Arnold (body / chest shape aside) & sounds like him, have you not seen him? Their first names are even anagrams of each other! I keep saying they should USE HIM for a new T-800 - he'd be ***ing perfect! He's the elephant in the room for Chrisakes!! 
Why he's seldom mentioned in these discussions is beyond me.
The Austrian actor they used - Roland Kickinger, actually looks like a younger Arnold (body / chest shape aside) & sounds like him, have you not seen him? Their first names are even anagrams of each other!
I keep saying they should USE HIM for a new T-800 - he'd be ***ing perfect! He's the elephant in the room for Chrisakes!! Why he's seldom mentioned in these discussions is beyond me.
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It doesnt matter that the endo doesnt "age". Living tissue would. It's not that hard to accept the premise that the living tissue surrounding the endo would deteriorate over time. Is it the best idea ever? No. Is it the worst? No. Why isn't it believable, but time traveling killer robots are?
It didn't go unnoticed that you completely ignored the point about the endo.
It doesnt matter that the endo doesnt "age". Living tissue would. It's not that hard to accept the premise that the living tissue surrounding the endo would deteriorate over time. Is it the best idea ever? No. Is it the worst? No. Why isn't it believable, but time traveling killer robots are?
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Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
No it hasn't, Nam's argument still stands.
The Terminator and T2 Judgement Day were 6-7 years apart, NOT . . . . 32. That's three decades. During The Terminator, he was 36 years old. In T2, he was 43. That's not a huge difference at all. Apart from the hair style, glasses, clothing, and leaner physique, it was believably the same guy. He barely aged so it's negligible.
Again, negligible.
There's a difference, sure. In T1 he's a little "fatter" and in T2 he's more lean. Still nothing to question considering it's 6 years vs. 32. Let's not forget his face. Look at T3, even then he was too old to play the character. The wrinkles around the eyes, the plastic surgery looking face, etc. Arnold's Terminator should have ended with T2 when the franchise (and Arnold) were at the top of their game.
If you're making a cyborg wrapped in flesh to blend in as an unrecognizable person, why would you use one that looks like Arnold every time for every instance? Doesn't make much sense.
Atleast T2 could have the excuse that John sent it back because A. that's what he remembers from his youth or B. he thought it would be ironic that he'd send his protector in the very image of the cyborg that was sent to kill his mother, C. he noticed the missing 1984 Terminator from the rack. That whole "freezing chamber storage room of different T-800s in racks of 10" that Cameron and William Wisher created was/is a lot more plausible. These new movies make it seem like all Skynet pumps out are ARNOLD Terminators (from the very first "T-RIP prototype to the very last "T-850" from T3). That's just stupid.
How does a Terminator get all hunched over and wrinkly when it's a ****ing metal cyborg, machinery? If the skin "gets old" and ages, it'll fall off his face, not wrinkle up with age spots like human beings. Then we get into the weird *** territory of eating. If he can age, then that must mean he eats to nourish himself for 30+ years. That's ridiculous.
Cameron was toying with that idea back in 1983 in one of the script treatments. The Terminator ate little things like candybars (without unwrapping or taking the foil off by the way) to help sustain his little heart and organs that were the size of a chicken's. But it was a TEMPORARY deal. These things aren't sent on missions that take years, they go out infiltrating for a couple of days. T1 and T2 aren't even a week long. Cameron and Wisher's idea that the skin wouldn't last very long makes perfect sense. It's machine made flesh over metal, it ain't going to last 5 years, let alone 3 decades.
No it hasn't, Nam's argument still stands.
The Terminator and T2 Judgement Day were 6-7 years apart, NOT . . . . 32. That's three decades. During The Terminator, he was 36 years old. In T2, he was 43. That's not a huge difference at all. Apart from the hair style, glasses, clothing, and leaner physique, it was believably the same guy. He barely aged so it's negligible.
Again, negligible.
There's a difference, sure. In T1 he's a little "fatter" and in T2 he's more lean. Still nothing to question considering it's 6 years vs. 32. Let's not forget his face. Look at T3, even then he was too old to play the character. The wrinkles around the eyes, the plastic surgery looking face, etc. Arnold's Terminator should have ended with T2 when the franchise (and Arnold) were at the top of their game.
If you're making a cyborg wrapped in flesh to blend in as an unrecognizable person, why would you use one that looks like Arnold every time for every instance? Doesn't make much sense.
Atleast T2 could have the excuse that John sent it back because A. that's what he remembers from his youth or B. he thought it would be ironic that he'd send his protector in the very image of the cyborg that was sent to kill his mother, C. he noticed the missing 1984 Terminator from the rack. That whole "freezing chamber storage room of different T-800s in racks of 10" that Cameron and William Wisher created was/is a lot more plausible. These new movies make it seem like all Skynet pumps out are ARNOLD Terminators (from the very first "T-RIP prototype to the very last "T-850" from T3). That's just stupid.
How does a Terminator get all hunched over and wrinkly when it's a ****ing metal cyborg, machinery? If the skin "gets old" and ages, it'll fall off his face, not wrinkle up with age spots like human beings. Then we get into the weird *** territory of eating. If he can age, then that must mean he eats to nourish himself for 30+ years. That's ridiculous.
Cameron was toying with that idea back in 1983 in one of the script treatments. The Terminator ate little things like candybars (without unwrapping or taking the foil off by the way) to help sustain his little heart and organs that were the size of a chicken's. But it was a TEMPORARY deal. These things aren't sent on missions that take years, they go out infiltrating for a couple of days. T1 and T2 aren't even a week long. Cameron and Wisher's idea that the skin wouldn't last very long makes perfect sense. It's machine made flesh over metal, it ain't going to last 5 years, let alone 3 decades.
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Vitus
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Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
This movie needs chick terminators showing up naked too!
Yeah I liked T3!
This movie needs chick terminators showing up naked too! Yeah I liked T3!
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Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
It's..... Movie Magic folks!
If it's a good movie, great! If not.... To hell with it!
It's..... Movie Magic folks!
If it's a good movie, great! If not.... To hell with it!
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Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
Exactly. Just because Arnold has experienced some shrinkage in our world, that doesn't mean he has to be shorter I the film. There are old dudes who still have big frames.
Exactly. Just because Arnold has experienced some shrinkage in our world, that doesn't mean he has to be shorter I the film. There are old dudes who still have big frames.
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Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
wonder if it was the same guy selling this one
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There was a guy on eBay selling an naked Arnold custom and gave him this big *** peen. Please, don't be one of those guys
wonder if it was the same guy selling this one
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Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
Man this new plot sounds absolutely woeful.
The dross that was T3 and Salvation has not affected the original two's legacy so this one won't either but come on Arnold the time is right to play King Conan and get it as close as possible to the '82 version or even play a veteran Dutch in a new Predator movie but the Terminator movies should be left alone.
If Cameron were to be involved then maybe they could work with something but this new movie sounds bad. Mind you nothing will top/be as bad as the Elton John glasses scene so that is something at least.
Man this new plot sounds absolutely woeful.
The dross that was T3 and Salvation has not affected the original two's legacy so this one won't either but come on Arnold the time is right to play King Conan and get it as close as possible to the '82 version or even play a veteran Dutch in a new Predator movie but the Terminator movies should be left alone.
If Cameron were to be involved then maybe they could work with something but this new movie sounds bad. Mind you nothing will top/be as bad as the Elton John glasses scene so that is something at least.
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