Terminator Genisys (July 1st, 2015)
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Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)
Confusing, but when understood:
Not THAT bad of an idea, Khev.
Yep!
Not that I think that Cameron subscribes to that theory (I'm sure he always intended future John without Reese's dad to be the same John conceived by Reese) but I'd still like to see it anyway.
If I remember correctly:
Skynet is developed by humans independently, evolves into future war, John Connor is the son of Sarah and some other guy, he's a total badass.
First T800 and Reese go back in time, Reese impregnates Sarah, destroys original John (and shockingly succeeds in Skynet's original mission.)
New John (Edward Furlong) is born and is a bit of a ******, Skynet is now formed by humans who reverse engineered the original T800's CPU.
Future war happens again, grown up Furlong Connor reprograms another T800, sends him back.
Second T800 goes back, saves young John and prevents alternate Skynet from being formed based on the first CPU.
Now Reese isn't sent back to impregnate Sarah (since there's no war), original John and original Skynet are restored, endless loop is created where John 1 and Skynet 1 are destroyed by John 2 and Skynet 2 only to have Skynet 2 destroyed so that the loop can begin again.
I thought a cool idea for a "Terminator 3" would be somehow, some way, a human (possibly original John) figures out that they are in this endless loop where no future for the human race is ever enjoyed, and tries to enter the circle with that knowledge so that they can defeat the machines AND have everyone live past the war. It would be a real brain teaser though because anyone who acts on any knowledge of "the loop" would undo that knowledge that allowed them to overcome it if they used that info to undo the loop that inspired them to act in the first place.
Confusing, but when understood:
Not THAT bad of an idea, Khev.
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Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)
Unfortunately, most of the moviegoing public wouldn't get it.
Unfortunately, most of the moviegoing public wouldn't get it.
Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)
Well like I said I was a little redundant in my explanation which actually only served to make it harder to understand.
But here's how the movie might open with my premise:
I'd basically pull a Brian Singer and have this sequel only acknowledge the first two movies.
Then open with an awesome future war, John Connor and Reese smashing the defense grid and locating the time displacement equipment. We see John send Reese back, reprogram the T800, and send him back as well. One of John's men says, "That's it then. We're all still here. It's over." Everyone cheers, John solemnly nods because only he knows the details of the fates of Reese and the robot that would eventually become his "friend."
John then gives the order to fan out and prepare to blow the time displacement equipment. It's then that he notices a flashing light at a nearby terminal. He walks over to it and opens a video message. On the screen he witnesses a man that he doesn't recognize, dressed in his gear. The man says, "This is Commander John Connor of the human resistance, I just sent Sergeant Reese back in time to the year 1984 to prevent Skynet's assassin from killing my mother and me in the process. If by some chance they succeed in destroying me then whoever gets this message, assuming it somehow, some way still exists in what would have been my time then you've got to listen to me, because I know how the machines can be defeated. The access codes to their defense grid are...."
And at that point the man on screen's voice grows faint as we close in on the other, living John Connor. He is in total shock. Now we cut to Sarah in her jeep recording her one line to her future son, "If you don't send Reese back you can never be." Cut back to future John. "You can never be, you can never be," we hear his mother's voice in his mind over and over.
John takes a step back and looks up solemnly. His men have gathered around him at the sound of the voice on the screen. "Your orders sir? Shall we destroy it."
"No," says John, removing his shirt. "Turn it back on."
"What, why sir? We won."
"Yes, but I've got to save JOHN CONNOR."
Cut to sweet ass music and opening credits.
Now here's where it gets tricky. Reese's son John has to go back to save the man that his mother tried so hard to keep alive with her recordings, the man that Kyle Reese would die for, the man, he realized, that was not him. So I picture this to be more of a "thinking man's" Terminator, not one about blowing up police stations and making national news with mayhem. John has to go back and basically prevent his mom dying (obviously) but also prevent events from playing out that cause her and Reese to hookup. Assuming that John was told most of the details of that fateful couple of days by his mother he would know that the T800 would go after two Sarah's before his mother.
And THAT's where he would enter the story. I know they'd have to get tricky with CG or an Arnold look-alike but what they could do is re-enact that first Sarah Connor murder where Arnold pulls up, looks at the little dog, and walks to the door. The woman answers and he pushes it open, puts the red dot on her head and BLAM Connor jumps out of hiding and knocks the Terminator on his ass with a well placed blast. The Terminator, trying to prevent the existence of John Connor *recognizes* its arch enemy, and gives chase. And from there you really do have the "final battle" of John Connor vs. Machine promised in the opening text of the original Terminator so many years ago.
Well like I said I was a little redundant in my explanation which actually only served to make it harder to understand.
But here's how the movie might open with my premise:
I'd basically pull a Brian Singer and have this sequel only acknowledge the first two movies.
Then open with an awesome future war, John Connor and Reese smashing the defense grid and locating the time displacement equipment. We see John send Reese back, reprogram the T800, and send him back as well. One of John's men says, "That's it then. We're all still here. It's over." Everyone cheers, John solemnly nods because only he knows the details of the fates of Reese and the robot that would eventually become his "friend."
John then gives the order to fan out and prepare to blow the time displacement equipment. It's then that he notices a flashing light at a nearby terminal. He walks over to it and opens a video message. On the screen he witnesses a man that he doesn't recognize, dressed in his gear. The man says, "This is Commander John Connor of the human resistance, I just sent Sergeant Reese back in time to the year 1984 to prevent Skynet's assassin from killing my mother and me in the process. If by some chance they succeed in destroying me then whoever gets this message, assuming it somehow, some way still exists in what would have been my time then you've got to listen to me, because I know how the machines can be defeated. The access codes to their defense grid are...."
And at that point the man on screen's voice grows faint as we close in on the other, living John Connor. He is in total shock. Now we cut to Sarah in her jeep recording her one line to her future son, "If you don't send Reese back you can never be." Cut back to future John. "You can never be, you can never be," we hear his mother's voice in his mind over and over.
John takes a step back and looks up solemnly. His men have gathered around him at the sound of the voice on the screen. "Your orders sir? Shall we destroy it."
"No," says John, removing his shirt. "Turn it back on."
"What, why sir? We won."
"Yes, but I've got to save JOHN CONNOR."
Cut to sweet ass music and opening credits.
Now here's where it gets tricky. Reese's son John has to go back to save the man that his mother tried so hard to keep alive with her recordings, the man that Kyle Reese would die for, the man, he realized, that was not him. So I picture this to be more of a "thinking man's" Terminator, not one about blowing up police stations and making national news with mayhem. John has to go back and basically prevent his mom dying (obviously) but also prevent events from playing out that cause her and Reese to hookup. Assuming that John was told most of the details of that fateful couple of days by his mother he would know that the T800 would go after two Sarah's before his mother.
And THAT's where he would enter the story. I know they'd have to get tricky with CG or an Arnold look-alike but what they could do is re-enact that first Sarah Connor murder where Arnold pulls up, looks at the little dog, and walks to the door. The woman answers and he pushes it open, puts the red dot on her head and BLAM Connor jumps out of hiding and knocks the Terminator on his ass with a well placed blast. The Terminator, trying to prevent the existence of John Connor *recognizes* its arch enemy, and gives chase. And from there you really do have the "final battle" of John Connor vs. Machine promised in the opening text of the original Terminator so many years ago.
Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)
I am curious as to why Jason Clarke is in a full suit and tie, cleanshaven as John. Looking forward to it, a new Terminator flick, new figures, Dark Horse tie-ins...good times.
I am curious as to why Jason Clarke is in a full suit and tie, cleanshaven as John. Looking forward to it, a new Terminator flick, new figures, Dark Horse tie-ins...good times.
Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)
Hey thanks. I figured only one or two of you might appreciate it because really, what's the point in spending any time musing about how an alternate Part III might go at this point.
Hey thanks. I figured only one or two of you might appreciate it because really, what's the point in spending any time musing about how an alternate Part III might go at this point.
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Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)
Why would John Connor #2 (or #3), care about John Connor #1. The war is over, he exists, that's it. If he somehow got a tape (which couldn't even exist), it'd just be an anecdote to him.
Why would John Connor #2 (or #3), care about John Connor #1. The war is over, he exists, that's it. If he somehow got a tape (which couldn't even exist), it'd just be an anecdote to him.
Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)
Because his mom cared. And his dad. And John #2 would always know that he was enjoying glory provided by a man eradicated by his own existence. How could the video of an erased man exist? I theorized that since all changes to the timeline are brought about by the existence of the time displacement machine then it would always be immune to alternate "presents." I'd see it as being surrounded by a globe of energy and inside the globe there is only one timeline. Outside the globe everything can be changed. Hence John #1 being able to leave a message viewable by John #2. I honestly thought you'd like that idea. Oh well.
Because his mom cared. And his dad. And John #2 would always know that he was enjoying glory provided by a man eradicated by his own existence. How could the video of an erased man exist? I theorized that since all changes to the timeline are brought about by the existence of the time displacement machine then it would always be immune to alternate "presents." I'd see it as being surrounded by a globe of energy and inside the globe there is only one timeline. Outside the globe everything can be changed. Hence John #1 being able to leave a message viewable by John #2. I honestly thought you'd like that idea. Oh well.
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Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)
No doubt it's interesting, but if I found out about alternate reality versions of myself, I wouldn't really care enough to risk my own skin to help a "possible" me. Besides, if he screws around, he might destroy his own existence and create a John Connor #12!
I'd just start with original John Connor in the beginning of the film. Different person, different actor, then by the end of it, there's a new John. The sad thing would be nobody would remember that original John Connor or even that Kyle Reese.
No doubt it's interesting, but if I found out about alternate reality versions of myself, I wouldn't really care enough to risk my own skin to help a "possible" me. Besides, if he screws around, he might destroy his own existence and create a John Connor #12!
I'd just start with original John Connor in the beginning of the film. Different person, different actor, then by the end of it, there's a new John. The sad thing would be nobody would remember that original John Connor or even that Kyle Reese.
Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)
And that's why John Connor would be a cooler hero than you. Think about it, if you knew that you ONLY exist because your arch-enemy built a machine to kill you, and that you WERE wiped from existence indirectly by that machine, you wouldn't feel the slightest sense of obligation or duty to try and help your former self if you found the means to do so? The machine isn't natural, it shouldn't exist. Original John should still be around. You might not care but I could see a movie hero not being able to live with himself if he didn't try ESPECIALLY since this would be the grown up Furlong Connor. You know, the one who wouldn't let Dyson die even if by doing so would prevent the entire war. That John didn't abandon people because "winning the war" was more important to him.
And that's why John Connor would be a cooler hero than you.
Think about it, if you knew that you ONLY exist because your arch-enemy built a machine to kill you, and that you WERE wiped from existence indirectly by that machine, you wouldn't feel the slightest sense of obligation or duty to try and help your former self if you found the means to do so? The machine isn't natural, it shouldn't exist. Original John should still be around. You might not care but I could see a movie hero not being able to live with himself if he didn't try ESPECIALLY since this would be the grown up Furlong Connor. You know, the one who wouldn't let Dyson die even if by doing so would prevent the entire war. That John didn't abandon people because "winning the war" was more important to him.
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Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)
First Look!
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Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)
A lot of times trying to explain the whole time paradox thing can be a bit much and go over someone's head, but the narrative you set up there worked perfectly. It was something I was actually able to picture in my head as I read it, down to the Terminator music playing at your "que badass music part" lol.
Hey thanks. I figured only one or two of you might appreciate it because really, what's the point in spending any time musing about how an alternate Part III might go at this point.
A lot of times trying to explain the whole time paradox thing can be a bit much and go over someone's head, but the narrative you set up there worked perfectly. It was something I was actually able to picture in my head as I read it, down to the Terminator music playing at your "que badass music part" lol.
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Ha ha, right on Jack D.
Ha ha, right on Jack D.
Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)
No doubt that game will own this new movie
As curious as I am about Terminator: Genisys, I am equally curious about its two additional sequels, Terminator: The Retyrn and Terminator: Finyl Byttle
No doubt that game will own this new movie
As curious as I am about Terminator: Genisys, I am equally curious about its two additional sequels, Terminator: The Retyrn and Terminator: Finyl Byttle
Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)
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I wonder why they didn't announce Terminators 8-10? Surely they can't end it on an odd number.
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I wonder why they didn't announce Terminators 8-10? Surely they can't end it on an odd number.
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