Terminator Salvation = Awesome

[laudanum09]

laudanum09

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It's just a comment. I only brought it up because I found TS to be without a single bad line. I liked about 80% of T3. John & Kate were not the actors I would have used. The attempt at humor they used in T3 missed big time. Cut that out, change the actors and a few other things, and I would have rated it an Excellent movie. I'm not attacking you or T3. Ok? Hell, I'm a big Terminator fan.

i wasnt attacking you either! I can be sardonic sometimes but it wasn't an attack! I was just trying to be funny. I didn't HATE T3, I in fact downloaded it recenty and can appreciate it for what it was. Re-read my 'joking' again in that light. i was in fact trying to play off of you mentioning the talk to the hand thing.

 

[The Chaver]

me and laudanum09 gave specific examples of cheesy lines in the other movies. which lines are you talking about in salvation?
so far, all you've got is fanboy melodrama and hyperbole. if you're gonna be a message board troll at least try to back up your point.

My point is, the movie was good until people started talking too much. Just when the dialogue started getting really bad, the action would kick in and save us from cringing ever more. Now I may have been wrong about calling the dialogue cheesy,not all of it was cheesy. What I really ment was that it was awkward and felt unnatural. One of the examples of awkwardness was when Kyle was asked his name, he replied "I'm Kyle Reese" Now why did he introduce himself as "Kyle Reese" and not just Kyle?? It felt forced and awkawrd.

Now it wasn't like this all the time, just half of the movie. I did really want to like this movie. I actually told myself half way through it that it wasn't as bad as people are saying. But then, we get to see Sky Net and connor's infiltration of it. No security. No explanation. Scenes cut to all hell. It was just all down hill from there,for me.

 

[laudanum09]

My point is, the movie was good until people started talking too much. Just when the dialogue started getting really bad, the action would kick in and save us from cringing ever more. Now I may have been wrong about calling the dialogue cheesy,not all of it was cheesy. What I really ment was that it was awkward and felt unnatural. One of the examples of awkwardness was when Kyle was asked his name, he replied "I'm Kyle Reese" Now why did he introduce himself as "Kyle Reese" and not just Kyle?? It felt forced and awkawrd.

Now it wasn't like this all the time, just half of the movie. I did really want to like this movie. I actually told myself half way through it that it wasn't as bad as people are saying. But then, we get to see Sky Net and connor's infiltration of it. No security. No explanation. Scenes cut to all hell. It was just all down hill from there,for me.

In terms of awkwardness and unnatural, I highly agree.I agree with almost all of your post, just not that things went downhill I suppose. I liked the ending, beat out T1 for me and almost T2 in terms of excitement and action. Good points though, that's exactly what kept this film from being anything more than what it unfortunately is. oh well.

 

[The Chaver]

In terms of awkwardness and unnatural, I highly agree.I agree with almost all of your post, just not that things went downhill I suppose. I liked the ending, beat out T1 for me and almost T2 in terms of excitement and action. Good points though, that's exactly what kept this film from being anything more than what it unfortunately is. oh well.

One thing I was curious about, who was the guy on the table with the red arm band that Marcus went over and looked at? He looked a little like Marcus.

And I think I may have lied to myself a couple of pages back about not giving this film a second viewing. I think I will catch the DVD release just to take a closer look at a few things,especially if it's an uncut version.

 

[SnowRaven0404]

Okay so here's some of my amateur ratings of all four movies.

T1 was an action/scifi/horror movie. Without T2 it would have stayed as just that an action/sci-fi/horror film with a small but almost missed warning of man's arrogance in giving techonology too much free reign.

T2 was an action/sci-fi/horror movie with grand philosophical questioning about humanity and machinery and their relationship, could they find peace when it's man who is the most volatile or will there always be war? Such unexpected big-scale meaning in an action movie seems almost unheard of right? And that's one of the reasons we love it to this day. It basically spoiled us for the entire franchise in good ways and bad ways.

T3 was an action/sci-fi movie that fell short in capturing anything meaningful like T2 did, the only important thing you could take from this movie was that the ending served as the mind-^^^^ of certain things like the war with machines was always inevitable because of human error and negligence, something that never changes. Something about it made it miss the mark of still be considered truly a scary movie to me it was too much action not enough...something. Bad acting, bad directing, too gimmicky it was just an intended cash cow movie to me.

T4 was an action/scifi/post-apocolyptic movie that captured some of that sense of it being horrific b/c of the ruined-emptied cities and damaged landscapes and us walking through the movie really with Marcus. As the audience we're pushed into a landscape that like Marcus we're unfamiliar with, we've only seen it in books and in movies like he probably did and we know what a nuclear weapon does to the earth and sky because of those references like him, but Marcus sees, feels and walks through it so really he's the mind, body and senses of the film in this installment. The movie basically gave us more of an average Joe's POV of it with a few twists as his existence 15 years into a barely salvageable world for humans alters the timeline yet AGAIN. And of course there's the big philo-psycho-mind-^^^^ that if a machine can be more human like in T2, then what happens to the man who becomes more machine?

So for me:

T1 is 8/10

T2 is 9/10

T3 is 5.5/10

T4 is 8/10

 

[creature4000]

I actually liked T-S better then T2

sure some things were forced.. but it was also trying to apeal to Non terminator fans and not just fan boys.

Great flick... It could have been better but I love the feel of it.

 

[Starkiller]

Okay so here's some of my amateur ratings of all four movies.

T1 was an action/scifi/horror movie. Without T2 it would have stayed as just that an action/sci-fi/horror film with a small but almost missed warning of man's arrogance in giving techonology too much free reign.

T2 was an action/sci-fi/horror movie with grand philosophical questioning about humanity and machinery and their relationship, could they find peace when it's man who is the most volatile or will there always be war? Such unexpected big-scale meaning in an action movie seems almost unheard of right? And that's one of the reasons we love it to this day. It basically spoiled us for the entire franchise in good ways and bad ways.

T3 was an action/sci-fi movie that fell short in capturing anything meaningful like T2 did, the only important thing you could take from this movie was that the ending served as the mind-^^^^ of certain things like the war with machines was always inevitable because of human error and negligence, something that never changes. Something about it made it miss the mark of still be considered truly a scary movie to me it was too much action not enough...something. Bad acting, bad directing, too gimmicky it was just an intended cash cow movie to me.

T4 was an action/scifi/post-apocolyptic movie that captured some of that sense of it being horrific b/c of the ruined-emptied cities and damaged landscapes and us walking through the movie really with Marcus. As the audience we're pushed into a landscape that like Marcus we're unfamiliar with, we've only seen it in books and in movies like he probably did and we know what a nuclear weapon does to the earth and sky because of those references like him, but Marcus sees, feels and walks through it so really he's the mind, body and senses of the film in this installment. The movie basically gave us more of an average Joe's POV of it with a few twists as his existence 15 years into a barely salvageable world for humans alters the timeline yet AGAIN. And of course there's the big philo-psycho-mind-^^^^ that if a machine can be more human like in T2, then what happens to the man who becomes more machine?

So for me:

T1 is 8/10

T2 is 9/10

T3 is 5.5/10

T4 is 8/10

I agree about most things, except T2 being a horror film as well which it wasn't. The T1 formula felt almost like a cyborg in place of a slasher flick and we just went around shooting people instead of stabbing them.

T3 to me wasn't a cash cow to me. I loved it.


My ratings:

T1 is 10/10

T2 is 9/10

T3 is 8/10

T4 is 8/10

 

[ONEYE]

i wasnt attacking you either! I can be sardonic sometimes but it wasn't an attack! I was just trying to be funny. I didn't HATE T3, I in fact downloaded it recenty and can appreciate it for what it was. Re-read my 'joking' again in that light. i was in fact trying to play off of you mentioning the talk to the hand thing.

Ok.

 

[azurepred]

i just saw this yesterday and i thought it was pretty good. i am not a die hard term fan or anything, but i enjoyed the point of view from marcus and how the t800 first came into existence. after seeing all of the movies i think this one was just as good as t2, t1 i do agree seemed more like a cerial killer kind of movie and didnt really appeal to me too much and t3 was a little too corny, but still liked it. the ending of t4 was very good, and i look forward to seeing another film being made. all i need now is some SS endos

 

[Kibishii]

Wife and I saw the morning showing today and we both really enjoyed it. I avoided all Terminator threads since the release and I was really shocked when Arnold's T-800 came out. The CGI on that was amazing. I also really enjoyed the character of Marcus.

My only gripes would be some of the cheesy dialogue, that Conner was able to get into Skynet's main base VERY easily, and that they did a heart transplant in the middle of the desert; I thought all of the machines hunted better at night because they see infrared?

I would give it an 8.5/10

 

[rivera2171]

I saw it today as well and thought it was very enjoyable.From what I saw the reason Connor got pastt the defensive perimeter was that Marcus deactivated one of the HK's.It showed that during his interface with Skynet.Also that ws skynets main base in that area not the whole world.Heart transplant in the desert is a stretch,but hell its 2018.

 

[Darth_Pain]

Just got back from seeing this and I REALLY liked it.
The only WTF? thing was the heart transplant in the dessert. So, I just figured they had some kind of sterile bubble to put up before the surgery.

 

[Chapter 2099]

Just got back from seeing this and I REALLY liked it.
The only WTF? thing was the heart transplant in the dessert. So, I just figured they had some kind of sterile bubble to put up before the surgery.

There are a lot of sterile, surgical bubbles in the desert. Duh.

Just kidding! I didn't mind that part, but I didn't expect to see

Spoiler

Marcus sacrifice himself. I hope he comes back in a sequel.

 

[Platty]

Spoiler

What do people mean when they talk about Marcus 'sacrificing himself'? does Marcus 'Die?' Or what ever the term is for machines

 

[Darth_Pain]

There are a lot of sterile, surgical bubbles in the desert. Duh.

Just kidding! I didn't mind that part, but I didn't expect to see

Spoiler

Marcus sacrifice himself. I hope he comes back in a sequel.

Of course, in 2018 it's standard to have a sterile bubble in every med kit. How could you have open heart surgery in the desert without one. ..lol

Spoiler

Marcus had to die. He already took the spotlight off Connor in this one.

 

[obxbarb]

saw the movie over the week end; it was great

 

[Centrocal]

They could always give Marcus that artificial heart from 'Crank 2'

 

[The Mike]

Spoiler

What do people mean when they talk about Marcus 'sacrificing himself'? does Marcus 'Die?' Or what ever the term is for machines

Spoiler

Yes, because he was a hybrid, he had no power cell, his heart pumping was keeping the whole thing running. Remove his heart and you remove the batteries. Now John Connor has a bit of Marcus Wright in him.

 

[laudanum09]

It could be potentially cool and f-ed up if

Spoiler

Skynet used Connor's newfound attachment to marcus, both literally and emotionally, to screw with him even more by using a Marcus infiltrator again. It'd be interesting to see the reverse of T1 and T2 with Marcus starting as a good guy and in the sequel he returns as a full fledged terminator. just some thoughts.

and oneeye that's going to give me nightmares.

 

[sewbacca]

Spoiler

What do people mean when they talk about Marcus 'sacrificing himself'? does Marcus 'Die?' Or what ever the term is for machines

Spoiler

He would die if there were no air and blood circulation to keep the human brain alive. So an artificial heart would be need immediatly or at least kept on life support