The Amazing Spider Man 2 (2014)

[JAWS]

Told you this movie would be terrible. And don't say I am making a judgement in hindsight. I made a post on this thread a few months ago predicting the movie would be awful. When I made that post, I predicted spidey fans would spew and vomit in response, and soon enough, it happened.

Why are you spidey fans fighting tooth and nail in defense of this franchise? Shouldn't you be calling Sony out for making these crap spiderman films? This is a CASH GRAB, nothing else. Sony is exercising ultimate indifference in their hostile stewardship of spiderman. If you want me to translate that last sentence, spiderman is chained inside sony's house and sony is pounding on spiderman until money starts falling out of his crevices. If you want me to translate that even more, take the south park episode where indiana jones gets ***** by steven speilberg and george lucas. Replace indiana jones with spiderman and replace steven speilberg/george lucas with the board executives at Sony.

Spiderman one and spiderman two with tobey maguire was great. We can all acknowledge that. But that isn't what Sony is about anymore. They learned nothing from spiderman 3. Cram every villian they can think of into amazing spiderman 2, so they can set up sinister six and hope to get an avengers box office.

The worst part is that marvel studios is getting a bad rap for other studio's awful films. Look at the reviews for this spiderman movie. Half of those critics are not aware of the power struggle between sony and marvel. They think this is another crappy marvel film, and marvel is getting the blame. If I created an amazing product, and then a chinese knock off company made a cheap copy and flooded the market to the point that the consumer becomes sick and tired of said product, I'd be pretty pissed off. And watch, I'm probably gonna get flamed for this one too, but to me, its pointless to debate with someone who thinks this "amazing spiderman" franchise is a quality product.

I think people have to watch Spider-man 1 again. That film did not age well a year after it was released. One of the worst looking villains in the Spidey series. Some bad CGI and some lack luster action scenes. The origin part of the film is great but pretty much after he puts on the suit things start to go down hill. I mean the goblin's whole evil plan was lame and silly IMO. I did enjoy the final confrontation but that was about it as far as the last half of the film goes.... That Parade sequence..... Blah... One of the worst action scenes ever.

I thought ASM 2 was technically superior and had just as good of a story.... However there were some boring moments. But ASM2 got the Spider man character better then any other of the spider man films and it deserves credit there. I have seen comparisons to Batman Forever and Batman and Robin, and while I get the Riddler / Electro comparisons, I see no other reason for it. Well throw in the corny Evil scientist also... But other then that I have to say that people need to revisit those films again and see how bad they really are... Especially B&R.. ASM2 is an Oscar winner in comparison.

I guess I just have never thought that the Rami films were all that special. While I really enjoy part 2, I feel it has not aged as well. I have never cared for the final 15 min that takes place on Doc Oc's strange little river shack. It's still a very enjoyable film. But far from a perfect Spider-man film IMO. All the Rami Spider-man films have a "feel" to them that I have never loved. I enjoy them but none of them would be in my top 5 comic films. Now I will admit that after watching ASM 1 I left the theater going "why?" It was not different enough to warrant it's existence. Funny thing is I did not think it was better or worse then the first film. It had many of the same issues. Good actors, good beginning, bad villain and average action. After seeing the film I was angry because I would have rather seen SM 4 and 5. but after viewing it again I thought it was much better then I originally gave it credit for. Now that we have two in the can I can now get past the Rami films.

I will admit that my opinion can change after another viewing or two.

I will also say this... There has yet to be a perfect Spider man film. It does not seem like it should be that hard to make but it has yet to be done IMO.

 

[ironwez20]

Told you this movie would be terrible. And don't say I am making a judgement in hindsight. I made a post on this thread a few months ago predicting the movie would be awful. When I made that post, I predicted spidey fans would spew and vomit in response, and soon enough, it happened.

Why are you spidey fans fighting tooth and nail in defense of this franchise? Shouldn't you be calling Sony out for making these crap spiderman films? This is a CASH GRAB, nothing else. Sony is exercising ultimate indifference in their hostile stewardship of spiderman. If you want me to translate that last sentence, spiderman is chained inside sony's house and sony is pounding on spiderman until money starts falling out of his crevices. If you want me to translate that even more, take the south park episode where indiana jones gets ***** by steven speilberg and george lucas. Replace indiana jones with spiderman and replace steven speilberg/george lucas with the board executives at Sony.

Spiderman one and spiderman two with tobey maguire was great. We can all acknowledge that. But that isn't what Sony is about anymore. They learned nothing from spiderman 3. Cram every villian they can think of into amazing spiderman 2, so they can set up sinister six and hope to get an avengers box office.

The worst part is that marvel studios is getting a bad rap for other studio's awful films. Look at the reviews for this spiderman movie. Half of those critics are not aware of the power struggle between sony and marvel. They think this is another crappy marvel film, and marvel is getting the blame. If I created an amazing product, and then a chinese knock off company made a cheap copy and flooded the market to the point that the consumer becomes sick and tired of said product, I'd be pretty pissed off. And watch, I'm probably gonna get flamed for this one too, but to me, its pointless to debate with someone who thinks this "amazing spiderman" franchise is a quality product.

ANNNND who are you?

 

[ironwez20]

I think people have to watch Spider-man 1 again. That film did not age well a year after it was released. One of the worst looking villains in the Spidey series. Some bad CGI and some lack luster action scenes. The origin part of the film is great but pretty much after he puts on the suit things start to go down hill. I mean the goblin's whole evil plan was lame and silly IMO. I did enjoy the final confrontation but that was about it as far as the last half of the film goes.... That Parade sequence..... Blah... One of the worst action scenes ever.

I thought ASM 2 was technically superior and had just as good of a story.... However there were some boring moments. But ASM2 got the Spider man character better then any other of the spider man films and it deserves credit there. I have seen comparisons to Batman Forever and Batman and Robin, and while I get the Riddler / Electro comparisons, I see no other reason for it. Well throw in the corny Evil scientist also... But other then that I have to say that people need to revisit those films again and see how bad they really are... Especially B&R.. ASM2 is an Oscar winner in comparison.

I guess I just have never thought that the Rami films were all that special. While I really enjoy part 2, I feel it has not aged as well. I have never cared for the final 15 min that takes place on Doc Oc's strange little river shack. It's still a very enjoyable film. But far from a perfect Spider-man film IMO. All the Rami Spider-man films have a "feel" to them that I have never loved. I enjoy them but none of them would be in my top 5 comic films. Now I will admit that after watching ASM 1 I left the theater going "why?" It was not different enough to warrant it's existence. Funny thing is I did not think it was better or worse then the first film. It had many of the same issues. Good actors, good beginning, bad villain and average action. After seeing the film I was angry because I would have rather seen SM 4 and 5. but after viewing it again I thought it was much better then I originally gave it credit for. Now that we have two in the can I can now get past the Rami films.

I will admit that my opinion can change after another viewing or two.

I will also say this... There has yet to be a perfect Spider man film. It does not seem like it should be that hard to make but it has yet to be done IMO.

Yea the raimi films had its faults but you must admit they had a good amount of spectacle and awe. I just feel as though if this were marvel it would get a pass. im sorry but its the truth. people want spidey back at marvel, they want him in the universe and I guess they are mad that sony is hogging the rights and feel its a cash grab. I mean I liked this movie and thought it was good but I dont think people will ever give this franchise a chance, if it aint marvel it wont work and I find that sad since marvel churned out some stupid movies like IM3, thor, and to me TFA bored me to tears.

 

[chewblacca]

I heard that Sony execs showed the movie to some marvel employees and even they said that they did not like it.

 

[Khev]

I thought ASM2 was like a "respectable" Schumacher film. Yes Max was like Edward Nygma but Electro was their version of Mr. Freeze. You know, falling backwards into a vat of liquid that makes his hair fall out and turns him blue. So we kind of got two Schumacher villains in one with him.

I'm surprised they went with a young Green Goblin with daddy issues. A weird well to go back to after how terrible it was in SM3.

This movie had a good amount of struggles, and it didn't overcome all of its challenges. But it gave us the best damn Spider-Man we've ever seen. People enjoy the mixed bags that are B89, BR, Superman 2, MOS, and TDKR. But NONE of those movies gave us perfectly translated versions of the title characters in design, visual execution, and behavior. And for that ASM2 deserves respect.

Imagine all the nonsensical crap in MOS, TDKR, and Batman Returns if at the center of those movies were a near perfect Superman or Batman. So much would have been forgiven.

And I think the notion that everyone should hate Spider-Man is dumb. How the heck would that be possible with him saving lives in broad daylight five times a week?

The crowd cheering for him felt right.

 

[Scareb]

Another goblin, another miserable character design. They had the chance to make him truly awesome looking. Throw some awesome prosthetics on and make him look truly scary. Instead they make a kid with a bad complexion and poor oral hygiene. Plus he sounded like the wicked witch of the west with his cackle.

 

[frodotrout]

ok, so i went to see asm2 this evening, is it me or does jamie fox remind anyone of a smurf, i mean why a blue electro, why not a yellow orange,firery glow, i see the mister freeze comparison, and what the hell was with the rhino, i would have liked to see more of him in the movie, not just 5 mins, i liked the goblin, we finally got a good representation of his manic persona, a geat improvement over the willem defoe green power ranger version, again i would have liked to see more of him in the movie.

 

[PopCultKid]

I just got back from checking this out. I don't know what to think or what to say

 

[bransen2099]

To me, they overdid the foreshadowing. And the love scenes... I get it was sweet but everytime they started getting mushy, I just wanted to get thru them and put Peter back in the suit. This Spidey interpretation was spot on in my book.

In my opinion the film really struggled to find good transitions from the actions scenes to the romance and back. To much of a emotional roller coaster.

 

[quadcent]

the slow mo scenes really didn't do It for me either, I found that it felt like a Matrix rip off. Im a huge spidey fan sense I was a wee little one watching cartoons on Saturday mornings, or maybe it was afternoons....lol. either way I'd rather watch an old cartoon than this movie....

 

[lerath666]

https://www.escapistmagazine.com/vi...ng-Spider-Man-2-The-Movie-That-Broke-MovieBob

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Oh man! The spiderman sequences were utterly fantastic. Garfield is perfect as spiderman and pulls off peter as well; although I wish the character of parker was portrayed more like the comic/rami version where he is really smart and a bit more geeky/awkward- but that's not Garfields fault.

A few thoughts:

The ending was a bit abrupt but I loved the message it carried and how it played out with the kid and all. The fight with rino should have been a bit more conclusive, but then again I didn't want the movie to end because I was so enthrawled with the spidey sequences.

I am glad they explained what happened with the genetically altered spiders from the first film, and why the venom only works properly when combined with peter's blood.

I see what they were going for with the Max Dillon character,-a sympathetic, antisocial lonely, introvert who just wants to be noticed and needed, but it was a little over the top and a complete rip off of the Jim Carey Riddler. The scene where he is talking to himself in the mirror next too the picture of spiderman, made me cringe in a way I hadn't since viewing a movie with bat nipples.

If I was editing this movie I would have cut out the two plane sequences, the max Dillon scene I mentioned above, the drawn out conversation between Peter and Aunt May (where she is jealous about his love of his parents and tells him his dad left him for money), and the hospital scene involving Aunt May. All of these scenes disrupt the pacing of the film and even hurt the characters involved (I.e. Dillon and May)

I wish Harry and Peters relationship was further explored and fleshed out before his transformation into the goblin. I really didn't feel anything between the characters, so the impact of the fractured "friendship" was lost on me. They had about 2 scenes in which they actually seemed liked friends, before harry started going ape **** on peter about finding spiderman. The way he was talking to him didn't seem like they were friends at all.

The infamous glider scene was very well done, and sets up a great conflict to come between Spidey and Goblin. I am going to miss a certain character, I don't know how they will replace that aspect going forward- anything new will inevitably be compared and will fall short.

Overall it was a great time at the movies and my favorite spiderman movie since spiderman 2. Garfield is ****ing spiderman! I wasn't 100% sold on him after ASM1, but now I am believer.

2014 serving up some winners in the comic book movie department with Winter Soldier and ASM2.

Glad you liked it. This certainly is shaping up to be a great CBM year.

Saw ASM2 tonight, its late so I'll keep it short. Some of the most amazing visuals and vertigo I've ever seen in a movie. I'm so in awe of how they portrayed Spider-Man. I liked the movie but I can't even critique it right now because I'm so blown away that I just lived in a world where Spider-Man actually existed for two and a half hours. Damn.

A great feeling

And I agree with jye4ever about the ending, that was one heck of an uplifting finale especially in contrast to what had happened shortly before.

I felt that too.

Told you this movie would be terrible. And don't say I am making a judgement in hindsight. I made a post on this thread a few months ago predicting the movie would be awful. When I made that post, I predicted spidey fans would spew and vomit in response, and soon enough, it happened.

So you were a hater who wanted to hate the movie and came out hating it. Shocking.

This is a CASH GRAB, nothing else.

Every blockbuster is a cash grab.

And you just provided a handful to them

The worst part is that marvel studios is getting a bad rap for other studio's awful films.

1. No they're not,
2. They get that from their own awful films.

This is EXACTLY who I compared him to when I was describing him to my friend, I'm glad I wasnt the only one who felt I was watching a rehashed version of Carrey's Edward Nigma.
His hatred towards Spidey didn't really make sense to me. He may be an introvert but he was far from being an *****, he designed that entire power station. Was he really that put off about his birthday? Seems like p!ss poor motivation for someone to become a murderous villain.

I've seen this comparison a few times. It's so face value. Of all the villain to have the same arc as Nygma ,Electro has the least similarities.

Nygma was obsessed with the Man Bruce Wayne he wanted to be appreciated by him and then a hen he became villainous he wanted to beat him at his own game, he became a business Man, dressed the same and even stole Bruce Wayne's girlfriend. In short he wanted to be Bruce Wayne

The character arc was stolen for iron Man 3 with Killian who wanted the exact same thing and even kidnapped Tonys girlfriend and destroyed his vehicles (read: Armours) like Riddler did to Wayne

Max was more like syndrome from The Incredibles. He idolised the HERO not the Man, after that Syndrome was essentially doing the Nygma/Killian role.

The difference between Max and them it's that Max was an unhinged Man who simply wanted a friend, he was saved by Spider-Man and then became to imagine a friendship between them. When he was later rejected by spider-Man after months of (imagined) friendship he lashed out.
His plan was to kill the Man who betrayed him and deprive NYC of power and give it to them to be loved. He didn't kidnap the girlfriend or start his own company or become suave looking or try to BE Spider-Man like those above

Spoiler

-In Ultimate Spidey, it was also a OSCORP-related (the OZ serum) spider that bit Parker. In 616, it was a generic radioactive spider with no links to OSCORP. OSCORP has a hand in creating Ultimate Spidey just like it does in the Amazing Spider-man series.

-A lot of the villains are "linked" to OSCORP. In Ultimate Spidey for example, when Osborn first exhibits his Goblin powers, it causes an explosion at OSCORP that also fuses Octavius's tentacles to him because he was working with them at the time, thus becoming Doc Ock. In ASM and ASM2, we see links between the villains and OSCORP.

-Ultimate Spidey has a younger, "hipper" and active Aunt May. Kind of like ASM series with Aunt May being involved in nursing, etc.

-Desire to be like Ultimate Spider-man leads Norman Osborn to become the Goblin. Somewhat similar in the movie, but essentially the same "serum" (OZ in Ultimate, Double 00 Spidey venom in ASM2) causes Harry's transformation.

-The OZ serum (Ultimate) is a prototype super soldier serum, the Double 00 serum in the Amazing Spider-man series seems to be something similar. This is alluded to when Richard Parker mentions his research was going to be used to help foreign powers with their military capabilities and further compounded by all the military "gear" we see in the OSCORP Special Projects bunker.

-This is a small similarity but could play out in the future: Ultimate Felicia Hardy has black hair just like Felicia in ASM2. Similar to her Ultimate counterpart, she also worked for a corporation that she would rob from (Fisk Enterprises in USM, OSCORP in ASM2). Considering that Felicia "knew" about the Special Projects in ASM2, it could be that she already scoped out some of what was going on in OSCORP.

Just like the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Sony has blended elements of the 616 Spider-man along with Ultimate Spider-man. So they adapt elements here and there.

 

[AIR]

https://www.escapistmagazine.com/vi...ng-Spider-Man-2-The-Movie-That-Broke-MovieBob

Someone must have pissed in that guys beer, jeez

 

[jnmx2000]

The more I think about this film, the more I dislike it. When I reflect on a movie and all I can think of is "what could have been" it's not a good feeling. So much wasted potential on this film, it's really to bad, spider-man used to be one of my favorite characters but these films are starting to ruin him for me.

 

[lerath666]

Someone must have pissed in that guys beer, jeez

lol, nah , he's just a movie critic, and a little animated, but he makes most of the same points that everyone else is making.

This was another one he put up last week.

https://www.escapistmagazine.com/vi...-movies/9143-You-Are-Wrong-About-Spider-Man-3

 

[RedAlert]

Someone must have pissed in that guys beer, jeez

Wow--that's one heckuva review from a ex-Spidey fan!

 

[PopCultKid]

The more I think about this film, the more I dislike it. When I reflect on a movie and all I can think of is "what could have been" it's not a good feeling. So much wasted potential on this film, it's really to bad, spider-man used to be one of my favorite characters but these films are starting to ruin him for me.

Totally agree. After seeing Fox continue to produce great movies (90% of the time) I'm starting to wish that Sony would release its grip on the Marvel license. Just hand it over to the folks who are doing it well and step away...

There are things that I like about both ASM 1 & 2 so I do see the pros, but there are too many things for me to complain about so the downsides greatly outweigh the upsides for me. The perfect Spiderman trilogy would be a formula of trimming the fat and a hybrid of the best aspects from both the original movies and the new ones. Perfect world scenario

I don't hate the first one but it nowhere near blew me over like the Avengers saga has. Both Spidey and X-men movies are growing to be let downs and I was a MUCH bigger fan of both of those titles growing up as a comic kid. Spidey & X-everything were top of my list as a comic fan but the tables have turned years later when it comes to the movies

 

[karamazov80]

Totally agree. After seeing Fox continue to produce great movies (90% of the time) I'm starting to wish that Sony would release its grip on the Marvel license. Just hand it over to the folks who are doing it well and step away...

I don't know if I agree on this.

Fox comic movies:
Fantastic Four
Fantastic Four 2
Daredevil
Elektra
X1
X2
X3
Wolverine: Origins
X-Men: First Class
The Wolverine
X-Men: Days of Future Past

Of those, I think two are exceptional, 2 are OK, and the rest are better off being forgotten. Jury still out on DOFP, of course. I would say Sony has a better track record, hitting about .500 for me (I liked Spider-Man 1, 2, and ASM 2 actually).

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

For me

X-Men Franchise = 4/6
Spider-Man Franchise = 4/5
Avengers Franchise = 4/9

 

[PopCultKid]

I don't know if I agree on this.

Fox comic movies:
Fantastic Four
Fantastic Four 2
Daredevil
Elektra
X1
X2
X3
Wolverine: Origins
X-Men: First Class
The Wolverine
X-Men: Days of Future Past

Of those, I think two are exceptional, 2 are OK, and the rest are better off being forgotten. Jury still out on DOFP, of course. I would say Sony has a better track record, hitting about .500 for me (I liked Spider-Man 1, 2, and ASM 2 actually).

Oh, whoops. I stand corrected. I thought that Sony was involved in all the Marvel movies before Disney bought them, and Fox took the wheel for the most part thereafter. Electra & Daredevil were travesties. FF's were ok for the time but have aged to be meh. You already know how I feel about the X-flicks. They blew me over when they first hit the screen (putting flaws aside) but the advancements that the Avengers saga made make me wish they were more

My mistake...

https://www.escapistmagazine.com/vi...ng-Spider-Man-2-The-Movie-That-Broke-MovieBob

... but I do wish I can say this guy is all wrong.

And I don't disagree with him about SP3, but I'm one of the few people who liked it for the most part