The Avengers: The Motion Picture Discussion Thread- Open SPOILERS -enter at own risk!

[jye4ever]

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I don't get what you're trying to say.

 

[thenammagazine]

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I don't get what you're trying to say.

 

[jye4ever]

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The robocop fapping, only with lol

However the robocop one reminds me of someone I know....oh, I remember now.

Me.

 

[Oscar_the_Gungan]

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Sorry, I didn't think that information had been brought up in our discussion and I thought it was relevant.

 

[The Mike]

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This article details that last November Sony's financial situation resulted in selling the merchandising rights of Spider-man to Disney for $278 million, while continuing to hold onto to the movie rights. While that doesn't give Marvel the right to make Spider-Man movies and keeps Sony from making money licensing and selling movie merchandise. It does put Sony and Disney in bed with each other when it comes to anything Spider-Man related. At least that's the way I'm understanding it.

All this means is that Sony makes the movies, Disney makes the toys. Sony gets the revenue from the box office receipts but Disney gets the cash from the t-shirts, hats, toys, posters, etc. Sony already pays a royalty to Marvel to use Spider-Man as stipulated in their contracts, I'm sure that Disney would have to pay one to put the Sony logo on their stuff which would be legally mandated so they might just cancel out. Has very little to do with the actual film rights at all really. They aren't in "bed" at all, those are two completely different machines with the same "label" on them.

I suppose it is possible, the deal involved a cameo, to help promote The Amazing Spider-Man.

Why would Marvel pay for a cameo to promote a Sony picture that they were getting revenue from anyway, twice over now, when if that film tanked they could have a real shot of getting the actual film rights back?

Perhaps unofficially while Marvel can't make a Spider-Man movie, Sony's Spider-Man could be part of the MCU. This is total speculation on my part not knowing what the details of the deal entail. It would just seem to me that if Disney has the merchandising rights for TASM, than they have as much or more to gain from the film's success as Sony does.

They don't. Sony NEEDS this to succeed. To help stop the bleeding from their other outlets of company issue. Marvel could care less if it succeeds because if it tanks then Disney goes to the table with a carrot to get them out of financial trouble and they get what they ultimately wanted back anyway.

I suppose if Sony pictures continues to have financial difficulties and TASM underperforms, having it already attached to the MCU continuity might sweeten the deal for Disney and Sony might get a bit more money out of them.
I could be totally wrong about how I'm understanding all this. I guess I'm thinking a Spider-Man cameo is unlikely but not impossible. Probably more likely than if we were talking about a Fox property.

Nothing is different than when it comes to a Fox property filmwise. Merchandise wise that is something different but film likeness and usage is still status quo. Now if Sony screws up and needs quick cash they will sell Spidey back to the House of Mouse just like Marvel did originally to Sony which would be ironic but until that happens it's a moot factoid to get nerds like us buzzing about the thought of Captain America running alongside Spider-Man swinging.

 

[thenammagazine]

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So essentially, the headache of getting Spider-Man into a Marvel Studios movie would be no different than say getting Predators and/or Aliens in one.

 

[The Mike]

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Worse really, the sequel would need a lot of times and funds that Sony is ponying up that Marvel has already stretched thin. Not to mention that contractually everyone in ASM wouldn't be able to cross cameo because it'd eat one of their appearances and vice versa with current Marvel Studios actors stable. The reason Samuel L. Jackson was signed to a 9 picture deal is because that small 2 minute cameo in Thor counted as 1. If they wanted Spidey even to show up in Iron Man 3 let's say that'd count as one for Garfield and kick him into automatic renegotiations which could stall or kill production and that's assuming that Marvel Studios would go the Ghost Rider route and not the Incredible Hulk route and reboot the whole thing.

 

[Oscar_the_Gungan]

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It sounds like right now Sony Pictures is in the crapper. But it would probably have to be much worse off to sell off movie rights. This article is interesting:
https://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43486360/ns/today-today_news/t/brands-wont-be-around/#.TyGnp29SQpk

It's predicting that Sony Pictures won't last another 18 months.

 

[The Mike]

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The question is whether Sony would sell it's Marvel rights back to Disney or possibly open it up for another company. Can you imagine 20th Century Fox buying Spider-Man and being able to utilize it if they see fit?

 

[thenammagazine]

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The question is whether Sony would sell it's Marvel rights back to Disney or possibly open it up for another company. Can you imagine 20th Century Fox buying Spider-Man and being able to utilize it if they see fit?

Would they have that option? I'm sure Marvel (as stupid as they were initially) would've included a buyback option if the license goes up for sale, wouldn't they?

 

[The Mike]

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There are lapse clauses but nothing I've fully seen about whether or not Sony could actually sell it somewhere or not. Strangely enough, at the time it may not have been something considered. I'm sure if Sony tanks and tried to sell it, Disney would get their lawyers on it.

 

[Oscar_the_Gungan]

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If Sony ended up selling the rights to Fox it would be as if millions of fanboys would cry out in a terror and were suddenly silenced.

It would also be like when Michael Jackson bought the rights to all the Beatles songs and whored them out in commercials.

 

[jye4ever]

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If Sony ended up selling the rights to Fox it would be as if millions of fanboys would cry out in a terror and were suddenly silenced.

It would also be like when Michael Jackson bought the rights to all the Beatles songs and whored them out in commercials.

maybe XMFC is the new fox though, redemption

Fox no worse than Ghost Rider and Spidey 3 from Sony

Although Disney...I mean Marvel is where everyone belongs anyways....

 

[The Mike]

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The path to redemption but not redeemed yet. It's a great first step but let's see their next couple of moves especially with the Daredevil reboot in full production and almost ready for casting and the FF reboot on the horizon.

 

[jye4ever]

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The path to redemption but not redeemed yet. It's a great first step but let's see their next couple of moves especially with the Daredevil reboot in full production and almost ready for casting and the FF reboot on the horizon.

I like the DD movie

 

[Oscar_the_Gungan]

I felt like if XMFC was a standalone movie and a straight up reboot I would have liked it more. I had trouble getting passed all of the contradictions with the other X movies. I feel like if we are constantly being asked as an audience to forget about what we saw in previous movies why should we care what is going on in what they are currently releasing.

 

[IXI Nick IXI]

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I like the DD movie

i do too actually

 

[jye4ever]

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i do too actually

Directors Cut though

 

[IXI Nick IXI]

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Directors Cut though

i've never seen it any other way

 

[thenammagazine]

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The path to redemption but not redeemed yet. It's a great first step but let's see their next couple of moves especially with the Daredevil reboot in full production and almost ready for casting and the FF reboot on the horizon.

The Wolverine should be pretty much ready to start filming as well.