The Avengers: The Motion Picture Discussion Thread- Open SPOILERS -enter at own risk!

[The Mike]

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That is the filmmakers' fault. They could have made FC with all the original X-Men no problem and had it work (they own the characters) but Singer who wrote the initial script and helped in the screenwriting process wanted it to connect to his own two films and even completely negates what happened in X3 or Origins by admission. It can be done, it's just about balance which a lot of screenwriters can't do.

They refuse to use the source material and balance that way but instead write their own which usually leads to the ____ ups.

 

[jye4ever]

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I think Spiderman 3 got it 100% right

Outta here....

 

[Wake]

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Yeah... which is my point. Can you imagine how crappy Avengers would've been if Captain America was played by Will Smith, Thor was a teenager, and they'd completely omitted Iron Man?

Isn't that kinda what the first X-Men is? Tce-man a teenager? Rogue but no Gambit? Etc.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Yeah... which is my point. Can you imagine how crappy Avengers would've been if Captain America was played by Will Smith, Thor was a teenager, and they'd completely omitted Iron Man?

Isn't that kinda what the first X-Men is? Tce-man a teenager? Rogue but no Gambit? Etc.

It's about the bigger picture though. While all these little, isolated pockets work in their own right, the grander scheme of things, epic movies like Secret Invasion, Civil War, World War Hulk and Infinity Gauntlet lose a lot of the "oomph" factor when being forced into a limited scope with only a handful of "marquee" heroes to utilize vs. all the heavy hitters. Case in point, you're whining about X-Men: First Class. Imagine a Civil War with no Spider-Man to be influenced by Tony Stark. Or a World War Hulk where Hulk turns the entirety of the X-men to putty. Or Infinity Gauntlet without the Fantastic 4 and Silver Surfer.

 

[The Mike]

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Yeah... which is my point. Can you imagine how crappy Avengers would've been if Captain America was played by Will Smith, Thor was a teenager, and they'd completely omitted Iron Man? Isn't that kinda what the first X-Men is? Tce-man a teenager? Rogue but no Gambit? Etc.

Yes and no. The X-Men roster perpetually changes, making Iceman a teenager but Cyclops and Jean adults does screw with the continuity but who is on the team isn't harder to pin down. Rogue or Gambit weren't anywhere near founding members or even Giant-Size members so that wasn't too much of a problem. The biggest comes into the idea that Beast in FC, would have been much older than he was in X3 (which is one of the things Singer intentionally did) but he made Alex, the younger brother, at least 10-14 years older than Scott, the older, but by showing them briefly in cerebro he wipes out the Cyclops from Origins.

 

[Khev]

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I wonder how Jackman felt about making a cameo appearance in a movie that effectively erased the events of X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

 

[thenammagazine]

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I wonder how Jackman felt about making a cameo appearance in a movie that effectively erased the events of X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

Indifferent, I'd guess, given The Wolverine is essentially a reboot.

 

[Oscar_the_Gungan]

I think what is a bummer about the whole thing is the only chance Marvel has to buy back the rights to the properties is when Fox and Sony rebooted things into oblivion and its more profitable to sell the rights back than make another movie. At that point the properties are damaged goods. And the fans suffer because the properties will be milked bone dry. Fox and Sony are already working on Daredevil and FF reboots. If those fail they wait five more years and reboot again. I don't know how many reboots something should get before its just tired.

 

[The Mike]

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I wonder how Jackman felt about making a cameo appearance in a movie that effectively erased the events of X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

Indifferent, I'd guess, given The Wolverine is essentially a reboot.

Pretty much, it was a payday for him and nothing more. He has said that "The Wolverine" will completely ignore all of the events of X-O: Wolverine as did the crew trying to get the Deadpool film off of the ground.

 

[Oscar_the_Gungan]

Its a head scratcher to me. I can understand Fox contradicting the source material but contradicting themselves from movie to movie is insulting. They don't expect filmgoers to be invested in the story. It feels like a cheap cash grab.

Whether or not the Avengers will be a good movie or not, I feel like its something of a miracle that it is happening.

 

[The Mike]

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It's a game changer. No one has ever done a film of this scope except maybe Watchmen and that didn't turn out well box office wise. The X-Men movies have always been pretty much Wolverine, Storm and then fill in the blank. With the majority of the films focusing on Wolverine, X3 being the difference where that didn't really work either.

If The Avengers is a success, look for companies to follow suit, you'll see more costumed heroes pop up in future Spider-Man flicks, bigger X-rosters and definitely you'll see WB trying for a Justice League flick. If they don't you'll see things pretty much run solo because the thought is that these thing of this size won't work or don't work well.

 

[Oscar_the_Gungan]

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I think what I'm most curious about the Avengers is how well they pick up the dangling plot lines of the previous five movies and how they might set everyone up for their future possible solo films. I think that is what will make the film unique is that The Hulk, Iron Man, Thor and Cap all had their moments to shine in solo movies, so the movie can take for granted that we already know who they are and can focus on how well or how crappy they work together. The character development will be more about the arc the team takes more so than the individual members.
The movie will need to explain more about Black Widow and Hawkeye. My guess is those characters are going to be the audience's point of entry. I'm hoping that Hawkeye will be the everyman of the group viewers will be able to relate to.
It definitely has potential to be a crowd pleaser.

 

[jye4ever]

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Its a head scratcher to me. I can understand Fox contradicting the source material but contradicting themselves from movie to movie is insulting. They don't expect filmgoers to be invested in the story. It feels like a cheap cash grab.

Whether or not the Avengers will be a good movie or not, I feel like its something of a miracle that it is happening.

It's a game changer. No one has ever done a film of this scope except maybe Watchmen and that didn't turn out well box office wise. The X-Men movies have always been pretty much Wolverine, Storm and then fill in the blank. With the majority of the films focusing on Wolverine, X3 being the difference where that didn't really work either.

If The Avengers is a success, look for companies to follow suit, you'll see more costumed heroes pop up in future Spider-Man flicks, bigger X-rosters and definitely you'll see WB trying for a Justice League flick. If they don't you'll see things pretty much run solo because the thought is that these thing of this size won't work or don't work well.

I think what I'm most curious about the Avengers is how well they pick up the dangling plot lines of the previous five movies and how they might set everyone up for their future possible solo films. I think that is what will make the film unique is that The Hulk, Iron Man, Thor and Cap all had their moments to shine in solo movies, so the movie can take for granted that we already know who they are and can focus on how well or how crappy they work together. The character development will be more about the arc the team takes more so than the individual members.
The movie will need to explain more about Black Widow and Hawkeye. My guess is those characters are going to be the audience's point of entry. I'm hoping that Hawkeye will be the everyman of the group viewers will be able to relate to.
It definitely has potential to be a crowd pleaser.

 

[IXI Nick IXI]

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I think what I'm most curious about the Avengers is how well they pick up the dangling plot lines of the previous five movies and how they might set everyone up for their future possible solo films. I think that is what will make the film unique is that The Hulk, Iron Man, Thor and Cap all had their moments to shine in solo movies, so the movie can take for granted that we already know who they are and can focus on how well or how crappy they work together. The character development will be more about the arc the team takes more so than the individual members.
The movie will need to explain more about Black Widow and Hawkeye. My guess is those characters are going to be the audience's point of entry. I'm hoping that Hawkeye will be the everyman of the group viewers will be able to relate to.
It definitely has potential to be a crowd pleaser.

That's what hulk is for me

 

[Spartan Rex]

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What would you do without the "Exactly" emoticon?
It's like 75% of your posts.

 

[thenammagazine]

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What would you do without the "Exactly" emoticon?
It's like 75% of your posts.

 

[jye4ever]

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What would you do without the "Exactly" emoticon?
It's like 75% of your posts.

 

[Oscar_the_Gungan]

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I know we've beaten the Spider-Man rumor into the ground but I just remembered something.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/joshw24/news/?a=49312

This article details that last November Sony's financial situation resulted in selling the merchandising rights of Spider-man to Disney for $278 million, while continuing to hold onto to the movie rights. While that doesn't give Marvel the right to make Spider-Man movies and keeps Sony from making money licensing and selling movie merchandise. It does put Sony and Disney in bed with each other when it comes to anything Spider-Man related. At least that's the way I'm understanding it.
I suppose it is possible, the deal involved a cameo, to help promote The Amazing Spider-Man. Perhaps unofficially while Marvel can't make a Spider-Man movie, Sony's Spider-Man could be part of the MCU. This is total speculation on my part not knowing what the details of the deal entail. It would just seem to me that if Disney has the merchandising rights for TASM, than they have as much or more to gain from the film's success as Sony does. I suppose if Sony pictures continues to have financial difficulties and TASM underperforms, having it already attached to the MCU continuity might sweeten the deal for Disney and Sony might get a bit more money out of them.
I could be totally wrong about how I'm understanding all this. I guess I'm thinking a Spider-Man cameo is unlikely but not impossible. Probably more likely than if we were talking about a Fox property.

 

[jye4ever]

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I know we've beaten the Spider-Man rumor into the ground but I just remembered something.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/joshw24/news/?a=49312

This article details that last November Sony's financial situation resulted in selling the merchandising rights of Spider-man to Disney for $278 million, while continuing to hold onto to the movie rights. While that doesn't give Marvel the right to make Spider-Man movies and keeps Sony from making money licensing and selling movie merchandise. It does put Sony and Disney in bed with each other when it comes to anything Spider-Man related. At least that's the way I'm understanding it.
I suppose it is possible, the deal involved a cameo, to help promote The Amazing Spider-Man. Perhaps unofficially while Marvel can't make a Spider-Man movie, Sony's Spider-Man could be part of the MCU. This is total speculation on my part not knowing what the details of the deal entail. It would just seem to me that if Disney has the merchandising rights for TASM, than they have as much or more to gain from the film's success as Sony does. I suppose if Sony pictures continues to have financial difficulties and TASM underperforms, having it already attached to the MCU continuity might sweeten the deal for Disney and Sony might get a bit more money out of them.
I could be totally wrong about how I'm understanding all this. I guess I'm thinking a Spider-Man cameo is unlikely but not impossible. Probably more likely than if we were talking about a Fox property.

There will be a Spiderman comic book on the shelf or him on a billboard, there's your Spiderman in Avengers.

 

[thenammagazine]

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I know we've beaten the Spider-Man rumor into the ground but I just remembered something.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/joshw24/news/?a=49312

This article details that last November Sony's financial situation resulted in selling the merchandising rights of Spider-man to Disney for $278 million, while continuing to hold onto to the movie rights. While that doesn't give Marvel the right to make Spider-Man movies and keeps Sony from making money licensing and selling movie merchandise. It does put Sony and Disney in bed with each other when it comes to anything Spider-Man related. At least that's the way I'm understanding it.
I suppose it is possible, the deal involved a cameo, to help promote The Amazing Spider-Man. Perhaps unofficially while Marvel can't make a Spider-Man movie, Sony's Spider-Man could be part of the MCU. This is total speculation on my part not knowing what the details of the deal entail. It would just seem to me that if Disney has the merchandising rights for TASM, than they have as much or more to gain from the film's success as Sony does. I suppose if Sony pictures continues to have financial difficulties and TASM underperforms, having it already attached to the MCU continuity might sweeten the deal for Disney and Sony might get a bit more money out of them.
I could be totally wrong about how I'm understanding all this. I guess I'm thinking a Spider-Man cameo is unlikely but not impossible. Probably more likely than if we were talking about a Fox property.