The Avengers: The Motion Picture Discussion Thread- Open SPOILERS -enter at own risk!

[Niltusk]

Ummmmmm....do you realise that this is an old article?

Sherlock Homes mode initiated:

Clue #1: They're talking as if 2010 is the future.

Clue #2: The information claims to be from Joe Simon without a tag saying "as passed along by John Edward"

 

[Viking Spawn]

That's why I say "bragging rights." They'll have to sacrifice literal profits (which I don't expect them to do) from home video sales but it will allow them to work the system to push their film to #1.

I think if neither movie was available (or was going to be available) on blu-ray/DVD The Avengers would earn much more in re-releases than Avatar.

I agree. They could release it in the summer say... Once every 3 years?! Fans of the film and their kids (who either have or haven't seen it) would flock back for an encore showing. Especially if it was never going to be released in DVD format. However, I'm sure the pirates would go absolutely nuts and probably make a fortune in the underground market because of it.

 

[The Ween]

I've got issue number one of squirrel man. Is he really going to be in this? Maybe instead of Ant man?

Could be! I think it would be great!

 

[Chapter 2099]

Can't believe they're making an Avengers movie, can't wait to see the first official pics and trailer.

I'm hoping the main villains are the Skrulls. I heard a rumor that's who it's going to be!!!

 

[jye4ever]

I'm hoping the main villains are the Skrulls. I heard a rumor that's who it's going to be!!!

I know it's 2 years out but I bet Coulson dies on the hellicarrier by a spear thru the chest.

Just a guess though.

 

[thenammagazine]

Are the people still going to see this seating in full cinemas? I'd be amazed if cinemas are still selling out tickets.

Saw it again today with my son. Theatre was about half full for the morning matinee.

The movie has been in the theaters for over 5 weeks, now. And Ant Man still hasn't shown up.

Unless you're in Japan, where it's still 2 months out.

Could be! I think it would be great!

Hotlink fail, weenie.

 

[The Ween]

Saw it again today with my son. Theatre was about half full for the morning matinee.



Unless you're in Japan, where it's still 2 months out.



Hotlink fail, weenie.

Really? I can see it just fine.

 

[Viking Spawn]

Japanese Posters for those who haven't seen them yet!

 

[Kabukiman]

Really? I can see it just fine.

Because the original is sitting in your browser cache.

 

[Frank]

(Nolancompoopy disclaimer )

I thought that fit perfectly. It further backs my point about them. Cap was part of what America was and didn't understand what it had become. And based on what he'd known, was realistically making naive assumptions about a country that doesn't exist that way anymore. Stark, representing the current America, knew what Fury was up to, knew there were ulterior motives and from what I got, wasn't so much insulting Cap as trying to give him a wake-up call that the past he so desperately clings to is long dead.

It's also one of the reasons why I really want to see Cap address our current state of war and the new enemy. I think that type of situation would help build the character and provide a better wake-up call than Stark did, so he's not running around like an antiquated hero anymore. If the modern audience can't identify with Cap, there's no way Marvel will be able to successfully sell him as the leader of the Avengers.

They'd be hard pressed to risk politicizing him either way. One of the main reasons we love to go back to WWII is because it was easier to tell the good guys from the bad guys. We do it so often, I can't help but wonder if we've mythologized it beyond recognition. It's kind of a lost cause if you ask me. Most of the progressive movements we see today would simply never fly for my grandparents' generation. Iron Man is alot simpler on the other hand because all he has to stand for is himself.

When it comes to the military conflicts we've got going today, I don't see any comic book movie doing it justice. We know that 9/11 can't exist in a world teeming with superheroes. Dealing with those realities is the opposite of wish-fullfillment and that is essentially what superheroes were made for.

Which brings me to the about the only thing America can really come together on...

Give him a better outfit.

 

[Darth Cruel]

Saw it again today with my son. Theatre was about half full for the morning matinee.



Unless you're in Japan, where it's still 2 months out.



Hotlink fail, weenie.

LOL...good point! Ant Man could easily be in the movie by the time it gets to Japan!

 

[jye4ever]

Yup, leading and army of pikachu's.

 

[The Ween]

LOL...good point! Ant Man could easily be in the movie by the time it gets to Japan!

I heard they're removing Cap and putting in Ant Man.

 

[The Ween]

Was Black Widow in that red shirt in the movie?

 

[Ultron-7]

Was Black Widow in that red shirt in the movie?

Maybe when she talks to Banner in the hut but she had a brown jacket on top

 

[The Ween]

Maybe when she talks to Banner in the hut but she had a brown jacket on top

Probably to show the tatas then.

Would've made a nicer poster in her uniform, like Hawkeye.

 

[thenammagazine]

They'd be hard pressed to risk politicizing him either way. One of the main reasons we love to go back to WWII is because it was easier to tell the good guys from the bad guys. We do it so often, I can't help but wonder if we've mythologized it beyond recognition. It's kind of a lost cause if you ask me. Most of the progressive movements we see today would simply never fly for my grandparents' generation. Iron Man is alot simpler on the other hand because all he has to stand for is himself.

When it comes to the military conflicts we've got going today, I don't see any comic book movie doing it justice. We know that 9/11 can't exist in a world teeming with superheroes. Dealing with those realities is the opposite of wish-fullfillment and that is essentially what superheroes were made for.

Which brings me to the about the only thing America can really come together on...

Give him a better outfit.

Going back would be entirely cheating though. They fast-forwarded through time at the end of First Avenger and dropped Cap in the middle of the present in Avengers. The problem with Cap ATM is that his character is flawed. He's fighting with a mentality that doesn't exist for a nation that doesn't exist. Having Cap be frankly stupid enough to continue his WWII mindset will ruin the character, doubly so in hoping the audience will relate to him. Our Grandparents might, but us, not so much. Now unless you'd rather see them change modern America into a post-depression nation as it was during WWII, it's not gonna work. And honestly, changing the US to that is to big a leap for the audience to buy, and they won't since they're looking for a follow-up to Avengers that they won't be getting with Iron Man 3, nor Thor 2 as Feige has already stated Cap will be the next film to follow Avengers story-wise. It's time for Cap to grow up and deal with the present. Stark called him on his naivete and he got a taste of it already. Let's see how quick he learns as a soldier trained to adapt and overcome.

 

[Frank]

Going back would be entirely cheating though. They fast-forwarded through time at the end of First Avenger and dropped Cap in the middle of the present in Avengers. The problem with Cap ATM is that his character is flawed. He's fighting with a mentality that doesn't exist for a nation that doesn't exist. Having Cap be frankly stupid enough to continue his WWII mindset will ruin the character, doubly so in hoping the audience will relate to him. Our Grandparents might, but us, not so much. Now unless you'd rather see them change modern America into a post-depression nation as it was during WWII, it's not gonna work. And honestly, changing the US to that is to big a leap for the audience to buy, and they won't since they're looking for a follow-up to Avengers that they won't be getting with Iron Man 3, nor Thor 2 as Feige has already stated Cap will be the next film to follow Avengers story-wise. It's time for Cap to grow up and deal with the present. Stark called him on his naivete and he got a taste of it already. Let's see how quick he learns as a soldier trained to adapt and overcome.

Yeah it will be interesting to see where they take him from here. I don't think they'll ever really be able to reestablish his comic book preeminence but it's worth a shot. The most I'm looking forward to is a better design for the modern costume.

The basic problem here is that although it was never pushed on the viewing public, Iron Man has become the superhero that more Americans identify with. He's got tech, he likes to party, he's self absorbed but he's got style, status, and money, money, money. If there was anyone to capture the American Dream right now, it's him.

 

[thenammagazine]

Yeah it will be interesting to see where they take him from here. I don't think they'll ever really be able to reestablish his comic book preeminence but it's worth a shot. The most I'm looking forward to is a better design for the modern costume.

You and me and everybody else (except Josh).

The basic problem here is that although it was never pushed on the viewing public, Iron Man has become the superhero that more Americans identify with. He's got tech, he likes to party, he's self absorbed but he's got style, status, and money, money, money. If there was anyone to capture the American Dream right now, it's him.

That's why it was appropriate for Stark to school him on Fury's intent. They hinted at it when Cap confronted Fury about it, but I'd like to see that played out more since that moment's when the fit hit the shan and there wasn't time after that. I'm hoping that they don't rely on Coulson's accusation toward Loki as the excuse as to why those weapons were being developed. There's a great, fantastic, subplot there which I think could lead into a Cap/US Agent storyline with Rogers quitting, Walker getting juiced up to assume Cap's role, Rogers realizing the serum made Walker psychotic and that there's nobody else capable of filling the boots, and coming back with the realization that nothing's black and white anymore.

 

[Frank]

You and me and everybody else (except Josh).



That's why it was appropriate for Stark to school him on Fury's intent. They hinted at it when Cap confronted Fury about it, but I'd like to see that played out more since that moment's when the fit hit the shan and there wasn't time after that. I'm hoping that they don't rely on Coulson's accusation toward Loki as the excuse as to why those weapons were being developed. There's a great, fantastic, subplot there which I think could lead into a Cap/US Agent storyline with Rogers quitting, Walker getting juiced up to assume Cap's role, Rogers realizing the serum made Walker psychotic and that there's nobody else capable of filling the boots, and coming back with the realization that nothing's black and white anymore.

As long as Red Skull is out there somewhere, the black&white WWII morality will be there for him to tap into. I guess I'd like to see how much of his WWII self can remain authentic and relevant. It'll probably get skimmed over but if they can still manage to make it entertaining, I'm game. US Agent would be a great fit for the sequel!

Cap also might be cut some slack by Iron Man next time around. From what I'm hearing about IM3, Tony's gonna grab himself some

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and will, in all likelihood, gain new respect for Rogers. We'll see...