The Blu-Ray Upcoming, News & Info Thread

[Robopredinator]

I don't even buy movies anymore because there seems to always be another format on the horizon but do you really think there will be a higher resolution format above 8K?

 

[Khev]

do you really think there will be a higher resolution format above 8K?

Such an adorable question, lol.

 

[rushmore223]

Such an adorable question, lol.

[emoji38]

No, it all ends here!

They'll keep improving as long as people keep buying.

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[jye4ever]

Disney is definitely going to release all of their 65mm (12K-18K) scenes from the MCU movies on their 8K releases this is why they’re being held back from the 4K discs.

I would gladly upgrade to 8K if they include the Imax ratios on the 8K discs.

 

[darthviper107]

The masters were done at 2K so that's not likely, and of course the VFX would have been done at 2K and won't ever be redone at a higher resolution which is most of the movie. There's only a handful of films that could be brought to 8K where it'd be worth it, like some of the films from Christopher Nolan and Quentin Tarantino.

 

[jye4ever]

So you’re saying that the entire movie making industry is incapable of evolving?

So an 8K tv will be what finally stumps Hollywood?

You know that there are 4K and 6K mastered for release in existence right and even some 8K...few but they do exist.

You are gravely mistaken if you think that everything is stuck at a 2K pipeline.

 

[rushmore223]

Re: The Blu-Ray Upcoming, News & Info Thread

I could certainly see certain special fx heavy films getting remastered, or rather upgraded to improve the digital effects. It's not like you have to reshoot the film. Something that might br considered a legacy film, like Infinity War, could see the money spent to improve it.

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[darthviper107]

So you’re saying that the entire movie making industry is incapable of evolving?

So an 8K tv will be what finally stumps Hollywood?

You know that there are 4K and 6K mastered for release in existence right and even some 8K...few but they do exist.

You are gravely mistaken if you think that everything is stuck at a 2K pipeline.

Here's the thing:
-Few theaters have 4K projectors, so they'd have to spend a ton of money to upgrade, without many places that can show 4K or higher there's not much incentive to make films at a resolution higher than what can be shown.
-VFX has been done at 2K or less 99% of the time, eventually it'll go higher but considering it hasn't really changed for so long it's not going to jump any time soon.

Eventually we can expect things to improve, but for existing films, there's not much hope and that's where a lot of the content that people want is. Netflix however is pushing for their original programming to be mastered in 4K and that's much easier to implement than the theaters, so there will be other options for 4K and higher, but that's still a very limited amount of content.

I could certainly see certain special fx heavy films getting remastered, or rather upgraded to improve the digital effects. It's not like you have to reshoot the film. Something that might br considered a legacy film, like Infinity War, could see the money spent to improve it.

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Can you imagine how much it costs to redo the VFX? It's a massive amount of money to do those renderings, and it's not even just the amount of time that it takes to do the rendering, much of the VFX work that's done on the live action shots would have to be done from scratch (things like color correction, rotoscoping, or erasing things from images would have to be redone entirely). Unless they think they can make enough profit then it's not going to happen.
Also, if they wait too long before thinking about redoing the VFX then it could be very difficult to even work with the old project files. Either they just can't be worked with on current machines or the logistics of getting everything together would be too much work.
Also, for anything that's shot digitally, the original source may not be in 4K (it rarely is, it's often 2K or 3K). For example, Star Wars Episode II and III were shot at 1080p, meaning they can never look any better than how they already look on Blu-Ray. That's due to them using early digital cinema cameras that could only go up that high.

 

[Khev]

As has been mentioned ILM can revisit all the digital effects of AOTC and re-render them at a higher resolution. Costly and time consuming yes, but doable. So much of ROTS in particular is 100% digital that it could really look quite spectacular if they wanted it to.

They're stuck with simply upscaling the live-action elements obviously but it's not like the live-action and CGI blends particularly well even now so nothing would be lost in that regard.

 

[jye4ever]

Here's the thing:
-Few theaters have 4K projectors, so they'd have to spend a ton of money to upgrade, without many places that can show 4K or higher there's not much incentive to make films at a resolution higher than what can be shown.
-VFX has been done at 2K or less 99% of the time, eventually it'll go higher but considering it hasn't really changed for so long it's not going to jump any time soon.

Eventually we can expect things to improve, but for existing films, there's not much hope and that's where a lot of the content that people want is. Netflix however is pushing for their original programming to be mastered in 4K and that's much easier to implement than the theaters, so there will be other options for 4K and higher, but that's still a very limited amount of content.



Can you imagine how much it costs to redo the VFX? It's a massive amount of money to do those renderings, and it's not even just the amount of time that it takes to do the rendering, much of the VFX work that's done on the live action shots would have to be done from scratch (things like color correction, rotoscoping, or erasing things from images would have to be redone entirely). Unless they think they can make enough profit then it's not going to happen.
Also, if they wait too long before thinking about redoing the VFX then it could be very difficult to even work with the old project files. Either they just can't be worked with on current machines or the logistics of getting everything together would be too much work.
Also, for anything that's shot digitally, the original source may not be in 4K (it rarely is, it's often 2K or 3K). For example, Star Wars Episode II and III were shot at 1080p, meaning they can never look any better than how they already look on Blu-Ray. That's due to them using early digital cinema cameras that could only go up that high.

But we’re not talking about movie theaters

As TV’s get bigger and bigger AND BIGGER then 8K even if just upscaling native 4K-6K will come in real handy.

Like where is the crime in allowing tv’s to evolve it’s not as if 4K won’t work on an 8K tv.

Many entertainment companies remained stagnant on developing new emerging technologies for far too long it’s about time they got ahead of the curve.

The Japanese were testing 4K in the late 90’s and 8K in the early 2000’s while we were trying to download the Phantom Menace trailer using dial up modems lol

 

[Wor-Gar]

I'm looking forward to those visual tiles so I can build an entire wall as my tv.

 

[rushmore223]

As had been said, it's not a matter of recreating the visual fx, it's a matter of rendering them at a higher resolution.

They wouldn't do it for every movie, probably just the ones with enormous fan bases, that get excited over every new release. There's lots of people on here who bought the Blu, then bought the 3D, then bought (or are buying) the 4K. It's not much of a leap to believe they'd sell a ton of Infinity War, rendered in 8K.

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[Wor-Gar]

The MCU will have its lock on a generation just the way Star Wars did on its own.

But all things fade. We can see Star Wars fading now. It's not going anywhere any time soon, just like kids still watch the Wizard of Oz, but its luster is fading despite Disney trying to revive it. No one worries about upscaling FX on Wizard of Oz... or War of the Worlds... or 2001... someday, no one will care to on Star Wars either. It will just be a very old quaint movie for young kids.

 

[Prime Clone]

What's the theoretical limit before the human eye stops telling the difference?

 

[darthviper107]

As has been mentioned ILM can revisit all the digital effects of AOTC and re-render them at a higher resolution. Costly and time consuming yes, but doable. So much of ROTS in particular is 100% digital that it could really look quite spectacular if they wanted it to.

They're stuck with simply upscaling the live-action elements obviously but it's not like the live-action and CGI blends particularly well even now so nothing would be lost in that regard.

Again, they might not be able to simply re-render the CGI to a higher resolution, it's been more than 15 years since they did AOTC and some of the tools they used don't exist anymore. That's a problem with CGI if they wait too long. Take for example Episode I, they did the 3D conversion there but they did it off an existing final cut of the film rather than going back to the VFX composites where many image elements had already been separated, that's because it would have cost a lot to try and work with the old files. And again, it has to be worth it, chances are it's not worth the tens of millions it would cost to re-render the VFX.

 

[darthviper107]

But we’re not talking about movie theaters

As TV’s get bigger and bigger AND BIGGER then 8K even if just upscaling native 4K-6K will come in real handy.

Like where is the crime in allowing tv’s to evolve it’s not as if 4K won’t work on an 8K tv.

Many entertainment companies remained stagnant on developing new emerging technologies for far too long it’s about time they got ahead of the curve.

The Japanese were testing 4K in the late 90’s and 8K in the early 2000’s while we were trying to download the Phantom Menace trailer using dial up modems lol

Movies make far more in theaters than they do on home video, so the focus is going to be on theaters, if it's not going to make them more money in the theater then it's not going to translate to TV.

And again, they're not even at 4K. So the issue here is that it's too expensive to truly upgrade something that was mastered in 2K to 4K or higher. So the actual 8K content will be stuff that's entirely new, which isn't coming any time soon.
Plus, general audiences don't care that much. For example with VFX it often looks more realistic if it's a bit blurry because real images are imperfect.

 

[Wor-Gar]

What's the theoretical limit before the human eye stops telling the difference?

With kids on the phones now... about 15 years.

 

[darthviper107]

As had been said, it's not a matter of recreating the visual fx, it's a matter of rendering them at a higher resolution.

They wouldn't do it for every movie, probably just the ones with enormous fan bases, that get excited over every new release. There's lots of people on here who bought the Blu, then bought the 3D, then bought (or are buying) the 4K. It's not much of a leap to believe they'd sell a ton of Infinity War, rendered in 8K.

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Like I said, some VFX would have to be done from scratch that involves work that they do directly to the live-action footage (like erasing things or rotoscoping things). But even then, just re-rendering the CGI would take a massive amount of time which translates to a very high cost. For example it would be tens of millions of dollars to do that for Avengers. There's not necessarily enough people that want it at 8K for it to be worth it.

 

[jye4ever]

darth please tell me you’re not a high level decision maker on the advancement of electronic infrastructure technologies because you sure love to use the word can’t lol

lol if you think they’re stuck at 2K mastering believe me with the flick of a switch they can master movies with double digit K’s if they so desire it just comes down to dollars and cents and while demand always drives supply we all know they will drag their feet to squeeze out as much profit as possible from existing technologies.

It’s not that the technology isn’t there yet because it absolutely is.

 

[jimjimmyjones85]

He say this, he say that.

To have the tech is fine.
But we still have all these movies in Faux K as everyone here loves to say it regardless of the fact of having the tech.

In the end what we get depends on what studios think will get them the biggest bang for the buck in the fastest way.
Be that in theater, or trickle down effect at home.

If this were not the case, we would have a lot more real 4k at home and not be finding ourselves content with the fact that something does great with upscaling.

Get what you get cause you want it and love it, but let's not fool ourselves.

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