The Book Of Boba Fett (December 2021)

[ajp4mgs]

Wow... be careful what you wish for.

I DO NOT want "Vader: The Empire Early Years".... please Disney, DO NOT MAKE.

I couldn't agree more. Never thought I'd want *less* Vader on screen, but every great OT character is just gonna keep getting diminished more and more. It's one of the reasons that part of me doesn't even want to watch the Kenobi show. Something tells me they'll try to make Vader seem more conflicted all along, or have less agency in general. And I guess I'm someone who can decide it "doesn't count" yet still wish I hadn't made myself watch it at all.

At some point, the "but it's Star Wars" reasoning will have no persuasive power. It's not like there aren't other avenues for entertainment. I don't understand why SW has such a hard time building something new and compelling so that certain character legacies can be at least somewhat preserved. Maybe it's impossible.

 

[Khev]

As usual, you put it a good way.

 

[loki2371]

Ultimately just feels like a different character we are mostly agreeing to call Fett (or rather replacing (especially the more the costume changes and he goes and is identified without a helmet) for better or worse he's already had more "screen" presence than the Fett we once imagined we knew from 6 min.

He does look odd without his codpiece. Wonder why they decided to do away with it?

Hmmm.. Maybe more happened down in that Sarlacc Pit than we know about. Maybe he lost his boys to that awful stomach acid and no longer needs any protection down there?

He seems to have gotten a little soft since his disintegration bounty hunter days. He now will go by the moniker of Boba "The Eunuch" Fett.. No wonder he seemed to show little interest in Fennec.

 

[Mondragon]

I couldn't agree more. Never thought I'd want *less* Vader on screen, but every great OT character is just gonna keep getting diminished more and more. It's one of the reasons that part of me doesn't even want to watch the Kenobi show. Something tells me they'll try to make Vader seem more conflicted all along, or have less agency in general. And I guess I'm someone who can decide it "doesn't count" yet still wish I hadn't made myself watch it at all.

At some point, the "but it's Star Wars" reasoning will have no persuasive power. It's not like there aren't other avenues for entertainment. I don't understand why SW has such a hard time building something new and compelling so that certain character legacies can be at least somewhat preserved. Maybe it's impossible.

On the other hand by way of these shows, they brought Luke back from being the unrecognizable created by Disney; hopeless, fear-filled, piece of crap coward, hiding from his friends and purpose, he once ran towards, betraying everything he learned and was.
To being the hope filled positive Luke we remember.
So it might just depend whose vision it is.

Don't know who is ruining the Ob-Wan show where Vader will appear.
I don't think it's the FavrOni duo, so yeah, be prepared for the worst.

 

[Khev]

I couldn't agree more. Never thought I'd want *less* Vader on screen, but every great OT character is just gonna keep getting diminished more and more.

The pragmatic side of me agrees but the fool's hope idealist in me can't help but hope they'll pull a "RO Vader" with any given OT character that they revisit.

And specifically with regard to characters tainted by the PT I'm definitely on board with them attempting to redeem them. I'm so glad that PT Yoda and "Nooo" Vader weren't the last word on those characters. To me TLJ and especially RO gave those two respective characters much better sendoffs. Speaking of TLJ you know I loved Luke in that movie but Mando Season 2 gave everyone that didn't their perfect sendoff for the character.

That's why I'm fine with them tackling Fett now and since the Kenobi (and allegedly Ahsoka) Vaders will be based on Hayden's version of the character the only direction they can really go is up IMO.

 

[ajp4mgs]

On the other hand by way of these shows, they brought Luke back from being the unrecognizable created by Disney; hopeless, fear-filled, piece of crap coward, hiding from his friends and purpose, he once ran towards, betraying everything he learned and was.
To being the hope filled positive Luke we remember.
So it might just depend whose vision it is.

If that's how you see it (as many others do), then I can understand where you're coming from. Personally, I never doubted that Luke had plenty of years as hope-filled and positive when I saw him on screen having been devastated by a return of evil destroying his family. Didn't need seeing it on screen to confirm it, but to each his own.

 

[ajp4mgs]

The pragmatic side of me agrees but the fool's hope idealist in me can't help but hope they'll pull a "RO Vader" with any given OT character that they revisit.

And specifically with regard to characters tainted by the PT I'm definitely on board with them attempting to redeem them. I'm so glad that PT Yoda and "Nooo" Vader weren't the last word on those characters. To me TLJ and especially RO gave those two respective characters much better sendoffs. Speaking of TLJ you know I loved Luke in that movie but Mando Season 2 gave everyone that didn't their perfect sendoff for the character.

That's why I'm fine with them tackling Fett now and since the Kenobi (and allegedly Ahsoka) Vaders will be based on Hayden's version of the character the only direction they can really go is up IMO.

You and I have a different approach to compartmentalizing, though. You have an ability to differentiate versions of these characters (as you put with your Bond reference) that I just don't possess. Your way is far better. But I just see the same character being revealed more with new takes on him/her, and when the reveals don't jibe, or are just lacking, it's an all or nothing where it either counts or it doesn't.

If I saw TLJ Luke as some impossible consequence of the events laid out re: Kylo, then yeah, I would trash that movie too. Instead, I saw an extension of the guy who tried to kill his father before catching himself, throwing away his weapon, and leaving himself at the mercy of the Emperor.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I don't understand why SW has such a hard time building something new and compelling so that certain character legacies can be at least somewhat preserved.

I have been wondering this for decades.

Star Wars seems destined to simply regurgitate itself into oblivion.

 

[Mondragon]

If I saw TLJ Luke as some impossible consequence of the events laid out re: Kylo, then yeah, I would trash that movie too. Instead, I saw an extension of the guy who tried to kill his father before catching himself, throwing away his weapon, and leaving himself at the mercy of the Emperor.

The fact that he "caught himself" is his story arc. By recognizing the futility of the fight and instead no longer fear what was a part of him, allowed him to switch off his saber, thus transforming himself and ultimately his father. His next was to pass that on.
That character growth and epic arc, is exactly what the Disney vision betrayed,.
They (and you) have him, regressed back to the tree cave, as if he learned nothing, and thus has nothing to pass on.
They failed the character. You can praise it all you want, but it wasn't new, or forward moving, or interesting story telling, it's a complete regression and betrayal of the character's arc.

 

[ajp4mgs]

I have been wondering this for decades.

Star Wars seems destined to simply regurgitate itself into oblivion.

Every "new" direction does seem to inevitably end up that way, yes.

Maybe the problem is that Star Wars (the first movie) had a genuine inspiration to bring back a serialized feel to fantasy storytelling with a modern spin. Then Empire and Return were a genuine reframing of the story to touch on universal themes of good versus evil, fathers and sons, redemption, etc. But that story is done, and those themes explored. Time to make something new (it's been 40+ years! ) and mimic Lucas not in his character arcs and themes of his saga, but in his vanguard ways and innovative spirit.

 

[ajp4mgs]

The fact that he "caught himself" is his whole story arc. By recognizing the futility of the fight and instead no longer fear what was a part of him, allowed him to switch off his saber, thus transforming himself and ultimately his father.
Is exactly what the Disney vision betrayed,.
They (and you) have him, regressed back to the tree cave, as if he learned nothing.
You can praise it all you want, but it's not forward moving, or interesting story telling, it's a complete betrayal and regression of the character.

I get what you're saying, but I don't believe in perfection of what is an inherently flawed creature (human). I don't think Luke would ever have conquered fear completely. So to think that he'd be able to have become the perfect version of himself in the climax of ROTJ, never subject to the same emotions and potential failures ever again is a bit silly to me. But that's just me it wouldn't resonate with, and I understand that.

Also keep in mind that EU stories had Luke again tempted by the dark side. And the Lucas ST treatment allegedly had Luke turning into an exiled Kurtz-like figure from Apocalypse Now. He's a human, not a god; it's what makes him relatable and interesting as a character. Flaws aren't a flaw if he's shown to overcome them and teach with them, IMO.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Time to make something new

Couldn't agree more.

It's one of the reasons I have some hope (though not much) that Cassian could be an interesting show... as a Bondian spy-thriller-style Star Wars would be epic to me.

But then, we get what people seem to like: repetition. I mean, first Mando and now Fett... as if Mando wasn't already the Fett-lite show.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Couldn't agree more.

It's one of the reasons I have some hope (though not much) that Cassian could be an interesting show... as a Bondian spy-thriller-style Star Wars would be epic to me.

But then, we get what people seem to like: repetition. I mean, first Mando and now Fett... as if Mando wasn't already the Fett-lite show.

YES!! Totally agree about Cassian and the potential. But "potential" is the operative word.

 

[Wor-Gar]

YES!! Totally agree about Cassian and the potential. But "potential" is the operative word.

Yeah. I'm not super happy about the actor carrying the show... now if Pedro Pascal had played a new spy character in the vein of Cassian, that would have been great.

The spy genre is perfect for the Empire years -- James Bond style super bases with a Guns of Navarone feel.

 

[darth dennis]

YES!! Totally agree about Cassian and the potential. But "potential" is the operative word.

Will they resist shoe-horning known ANH characters into the show? It can't be Jyn or anyone from Rogue One really, but who else might they plug in? I'm excited for it for sure though!

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

Cassian himself was a weak character though and poorly cast. I never believed that guy was a gritty spy capable of the things he tried to say and do.

 

[Khev]

Will they resist shoe-horning known ANH characters into the show? It can't be Jyn or anyone from Rogue One really, but who else might they plug in? I'm excited for it for sure though!

Hopefully Dr. Evazan can return to tell a new generation of Rebel spies to watch themselves!

 

[ajp4mgs]

Will they resist shoe-horning known ANH characters into the show? It can't be Jyn or anyone from Rogue One really, but who else might they plug in? I'm excited for it for sure though!

They probably won't resist.

Natural and organic references and inclusion of characters should be the goal; just use only what you need to set the context of the show, then focus on telling your own story. Make *new* compelling characters along the way. New designs, new agendas, new dynamics, etc.

I'm gonna stay optimistic as well. It has Gilroy involved, I believe, and I think his not being a SW fan is actually advantageous when it comes to shoehorning or not.

 

[Mondragon]

I get what you're saying, but I don't believe in perfection of what is an inherently flawed creature (human).

His whole arc was fraught with failure, missteps and imperfection
And he wore his failure permanently as one of the greatest visual narrative symbols on his hand.
It's you who now needs to pretend that arc didn't happen, to instead argue he's perfect.
Recognizing and living with his flaw, and imperfection is why he's a great beloved character, and transformed those around him. And had some thing to pas on.
Regressing him back to relive that and deny what he learned, is not moving the character forward. or transformative.
Which Lukes arc actually was. It's you who are denying his evolution, experience and arc which transformed him.
Ask your same question about Rey?

 

[Khev]

Anyone who claims that Rey was depicted as being "perfect" either didn't pay attention to the films or willfully ignored them.