The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[Mister Ski]

SO now i'm a noob

Feel free to post your critique in French - google translate is a wonderful thing.

My .02

You turned it personal when you called him a troll for stating his opinion. Yes, he stated it over and over but just ignore it if you don't like it. This is a discussion thread. Not a TDKR love thread. If it was a TDKR love thread and he was making those type of posts there then yes it would be trolling, but not in an open discussion thread like this.

I get a kick out of the people who love this film having a problem with the people that didn't. I stand by my opinion that this movie is the weakest of the three. It is still a decent movie, but I can't see spending another three hours of my life watching this again.

This movie will not hold up over the test of time for repeated viewings like the first two, especially TDK do.

 

[Shai]

My .02

You turned it personal when you called him a troll for stating his opinion. Yes, he stated it over and over but just ignore it if you don't like it. This is a discussion thread. Not a TDKR love thread. If it was a TDKR love thread and he was making those type of posts there then yes it would be trolling, but not in an open discussion thread like this.

I get a kick out of the people who love this film having a problem with the people that didn't. I stand by my opinion that this movie is the weakest of the three. It is still a decent movie, but I can't see spending another three hours of my life watching this again.

This movie will not hold up over the test of time for repeated viewings like the first two, especially TDK do.

 

[Frank]

No, it wasn't. Despite the BS lies that TDKR was already mostly written before TDK was finished, Nolan's already stated that the Joker's story was to be told in the sequel to TDK. It's why he was just a plot device in TDK and not the story.

Let's look at the options shall we?

-Joker's demise/escape is merely explained.

-Joker's demise/escape is shown in flashback (with augmented CGI footage or new actor)

-Ledger Joker is recast, reappears in third film.

-New Joker is cast to reinvent the character... again.

Either you get far too little, a sad immitation, or an outright abomination.

Having to explain away such a huge character absence would have felt awkward imo, and a major distraction from the movie. I think we all would agree that recasting the Ledger Joker just would not work for anybody. A new Nolan Joker would fair much the same.

By just letting it be, I believe they did what they had to do.

the movie was perfect just the way it is, besides Nolan would have prolly taken some heat for it if he did decide to involve the Joker.

Yeah, have to agree. There's no way around it.

 

[Deckard]

Saw it, still collecting thoughts but I'm underwhelmed in virtually every way possible. Really can't believe some of you giving it a 10/10 and then calling others fanboys, I think your going to regret that in a few months when the hype is dead.

This is imo, Nolan's weakest film, not just Batman in general with the possible exception of Insomnia. The ending was the equivilant to Raimi's MJ running from the wedding perfume commericial in SM2, the way it was shot, it was like a Perrier commerical. I expected a waiter to bring a bottle to Bruce as he smiled and picked up the sweaty glass and cut to black to show "Perrier" instead of TDKR. Just so awful. Also didn't care for JGL finding the cave the way he did. Him holding the light wrapped in bats was a real roll of the eyes moment and their were plenty of those.

The biggest problem is all my initial fears came true. Bane turned out to be worthless and just a big toadey by the end. Miranda/Talias's acting was nothing compared to Liam Neeson's. In general not enough Batman, and the reverse remake BB thing is such a cop out, it indeed suffers from "The Last Crusade" syndrome. Hathaway also failed to win me over as Catwoman although her Selina was alright.

Bale and Oldman are great togeather, Modine is worthless, Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman, and Cillian Murphy save the movie. Whoever edited it was in poor form, it just feels sloppy, bad way for Wally to go out.

As a movie 6/10, as a Batman movie 5/10.

 

[cr0w]

You're wrong. Sorry.

 

[wofford29]

If this IMO had been better I'd say so. I've got no problem with doing that at all. It just wasn't for me and if that is biased for someone that's their deal not mine.

The bias isn't what happens after you've seen them it's what's in your mind before you see them. You're in love with Marvel before you watch the film so your perspective is going to be different than someone who is in love with DC while viewing. Someone who knows neither properties and watches them both to form an opinion is going to be unbiased, but like I said on a forum like this that's not going to happen. Your review of the Hobbit is going to be bias, my review of the Hobbit is going to be bias. If we both go see Beasts of The Southern Wild are review will be unbiased. It' not a negative.

 

[Darkseed]

If this IMO had been better I'd say so. I've got no problem with doing that at all. It just wasn't for me and if that is biased for someone that's their deal not mine.

Crazy people cannot believe others have a different opinion of the film.

 

[azurepred]

Saw this yesterday. I would rank them TDK, BB, and TDKR. It was a very solid movie like the other 2 and a fitting ending for sure, but Bane just didn't carry it for me like the Joker and Ras did in the first 2, that's what it came down to for me. I have nothing bad to say about this movie. Anne was a descent Catwoman, I still would have preferred someone else that looked more the part. Too bad ScarJo was busy kicking ass in the Avengers .

 

[Deckard]

For me BB > TDK > 89 Batman > TDKR > Batman Returns

and Returns would have beat TDKR if not for the completely retarded strapping of missles to penguins.

 

[JAWS]

How many times did he escape over the course of the 3 films? He was still loose when TDKR ended.



I disagree. Something like this that might potentially destroy the future of the franchise should be looked at with the bigger picture in mind. Heath would've wanted the show to go on. Not be stopped. Honestly, JGL could easily doubled as Heath and Joker (and many of us thought he was gonna), and is easily good enough to have carried the role through TDKR. Unfortunately, Nolan just couldn't deal with it and TDKR pays the price (though really TDK since it's now disjointed).

I agree for the most part. Joker should not have been ignored. He should have been mentioned or recast. The Joker was here long before Heath and will be here long after. The character is bigger then any one actor. I am not saying base the whole film on him or give him a huge role but make some sort of acknowledgement.

I don't mind that he had no major role. As the Batman files book I have states (not a direct quote) "There is no reason to Joker's madness. One day he may let you live because he likes your shoes. The next day he might kill you because he likes your shoes"

In my mind Joker could have escaped but felt no need to act since Bane told the truth of Dent and the city was in chaos. Joker is a loner/sometimes leader and never a follower. But there needed to be some sort of mention. SOMETHING!! Because, yes it sort of wipes a big part of TDK away. Like most of it never happened. Even if they gave us a flashback of him in the cell when Rachel died.

Oh well. I still enjoyed the film. Not as greatly as many here and I don't see it holding up as well with repeat viewing but I did really enjoy it and will be seeing it again in the theaters at some point.

 

[creature4000]

I wouldn't say it sucked.. but Shai's right.. it will be forgotten in a years time. There were many flaws that I can't get over. That said. I really enjoyed the experience.. but its far from the best out of the 3 latest BM films. I can't wait for a more comic version of BM to hit the Big Screen!

Many Nolan fanatics will prase this to no end so that they may perhaps get a fourth film???

 

[Voorhees27]

I think some of you need to see it again, I really was an excellent movie.

 

[azurepred]

forgot to mention I hated the Bat. Even with the other tech in these movies, it just never felt right every time it was on screen.

 

[The Josh]

The bias isn't what happens after you've seen them it's what's in your mind before you see them. You're in love with Marvel before you watch the film so your perspective is going to be different than someone who is in love with DC while viewing. Someone who knows neither properties and watches them both to form an opinion is going to be unbiased, but like I said on a forum like this that's not going to happen. Your review of the Hobbit is going to be bias, my review of the Hobbit is going to be bias. If we both go see Beasts of The Southern Wild are review will be unbiased. It' not a negative.

What was in my mind was I wanted this to kick ass. I wanted at worst this to be as good as TDK and hoped it could reach the avengers. What I didn't like about the movie had everything to do with Nolan's execution not me liking marvel.

Crazy people cannot believe others have a different opinion of the film.

That's why I didn't and won't go indepth on things. I don't care to be ripped apart by the nolanites.

 

[Deckard]

forgot to mention I hated the Bat. Even with the other tech in these movies, it just never felt right every time it was on screen.

The Bat was really odd to me, because I love the design but didn't like it in action. It's strange, its like the opposite of the new Spidey suit.

 

[intothevoid]

I think some of you need to see it again, I really was an excellent movie.

Yeah most people appear to enjoy it more the 2nd time around

I think it's really densely packed so hard to appreciate it all in the first viewing

 

[jye4ever]

Why can Rachel be recast in a heart beat but not Joker?

Just because he overdosed?

That's his problem, not ours, but now the fans have to deal with the makers of TDKR being forced to write a movie set 8 years after TDK just because Heath Ledger couldn't control himself and some misguided self righteous respect for the actor.

That's crap if you ask me.

Anyways, TDKR was between good and great, which means it wasn't bad!

 

[azurepred]

The Bat was really odd to me, because I love the design but didn't like it in action. It's strange, its like the opposite of the new Spidey suit.

Idk, can't put my finger on exactly what it is I didn't like about it. It was extremely boxy looking, and just didn't look like something practical to me. I had a hard time believing something that boxy could move through buildings the way it did during the missile chase scene.

 

[Irvy]

The batwing was way overused, I was wanting that thing shot down so he would be forced to actually do some creative thinking to save the day.

Tumbler is still my favourite I wish they had just refined it like the batsuit over the course of the films.

 

[jye4ever]

The batwing was way overused, I was wanting that thing shot down so he would be forced to actually do some creative thinking to save the day.

Tumbler is still my favourite I wish they had just refined it like the batsuit over the course of the films.

I would sadly have to agree.

I wanted to see some Batmobile vs Camo Tumbler action plus more Batman on his feet prowling.

There were some awesome uses of the Bat though.

I like when Batman and Catwoman escaped the rooftop onto the Bat.