The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[Khev]

Didn't we cover this ground last summer?

No we've moved on to comparing TDKR to other movies after their first year of release.

 

[The Josh]

No we've moved on to comparing TDKR to other movies after their first year of release.

Reads like the same crap I read last summer.

 

[IrishJedi]

Reads like the same crap I read last summer.

And what's going on in the IM3 thread right now.

 

[jye4ever]

 

[The Josh]

And what's going on in the IM3 thread right now.

Pretty much.

 

[DiFabio]

And if we want to play the percent card, 87% ain't an A like the Dark Knight, Spider-Man 2, Iron Man, The Avengers, etc. If it was a test in school, my parents would have nagged my *** and asked why I didn't get an A.


Batman Begins also has 265 reviews, not 300 like TDKR. So what happens there? What about negative reviews that are 3/5s that go fresh towards a review, or 3/5 that go rotten?

 

[jye4ever]

What is this:

89 70%
Returns 81%

I'm calling the police.

 

[ZaCHw117]

what happened to all teh posts!

 

[DiFabio]

I would have thought Returns would be lower for some reason.


Even then, they have what, 30, 40 reviews tops. They're also decades old and came out before the internet.

 

[ZaCHw117]

nvm. too high to realize i was on the wrong page.

 

[DiFabio]

Don't eat too much!

 

[jye4ever]

I would have thought Returns would be lower for some reason.


Even then, they have what, 30, 40 reviews tops. They're also decades old and came out before the internet.

Discovering movies those days were fun.

nvm. too high to realize i was on the wrong page.

Don't eat too much!

 

[DiFabio]

Discovering movies those days were fun.

And "critical reviews" were just friends and family, the local newspaper and Siskel and Ebert.

Not all these youtube personalities and bloggers.

 

[jye4ever]

Wait just one second here:

"Keaton, a Pittsburgh native, is a big Pittsburgh Pirates fan. He even went so far as to negotiate a break in his Batman movie contract in case the Pirates made the playoffs that year. He is also a diehard Pittsburgh Steelers fan."

Isn't DiFabio from Pitts........

 

[DiFabio]

I'm not a Pirates or Steelers fan and I'm sure Keaton probably thinks Batman is lame.

 

[Mightytrex]

^^
Same not a fan of either...

 

[batfan08]

And "critical reviews" were just friends and family, the local newspaper and Siskel and Ebert.

Not all these youtube personalities and bloggers.

Eh, to be fair, that's what it's like to me, still. The only reviewer I genuinely paid any mind to was Ebert (I'm sad that he's gone, I always loved hearing his opinion), and I'd read the newspaper's review. Other than that, it was pretty much, as you said, word of mouth and my own mind.

 

[Khev]

The argument isn't whether TDKR was better received than KOTCS, but that KOTCS was positively rated by a statistical majority of both critics and audiences and also made a ton of money. My point is that these things (RottenTomatoes ratings, audience scores, box office, etc.) are really not that indicative of how a movie is ultimately perceived. Even if KOTCS was much lower (say, 60%) that would still be a majority scoring it positively yet we all know that film is pretty damn disliked, and not just by Internet fanboys.

But we aren't talking about a mere "statistical majority" in which a 51/49 split would suffice. TDKR has an overwhelming majority of approval. 87% critical, 92% audience, or whichever website you want to go by. I don't think anyone would consider a 51% or 59% to be anything to write home about.

There's something in the zeitgeist that cannot really be measured. But you can sense it. And I've sensed for a while now that views on TDKR are pretty well mixed.

Yeah but the convenient thing about people's "senses" is that they always seem to echo the sentiments of whoever is doing the sensing. You and Difabio went and saw TDKR six times and everyone laughed and boo'd throughout every showing, I went and saw it and people cheered, and so on. Anyone can claim that their impression echoes the overall consensus, the question is does anything tangible by both parties actually support that?

Also, while you're right that Star Wars and Indy are different, Batman is still very, very huge and a pop culture phenomenon all its own. In fact, it's pretty easy to see that Batman is much more popular in the mainstream today than Indy is. That kinda bums me out, because Indy is pretty much my favorite. But it is what it is.

Its because anytime a huge Batman movie comes out (like in 1989 and 2008) Lucasfilm decides to release a mediocre/crappy Indy film that same year.

And if we want to play the percent card, 87% ain't an A like the Dark Knight, Spider-Man 2, Iron Man, The Avengers, etc. If it was a test in school, my parents would have nagged my *** and asked why I didn't get an A.

Yeah well if it was a test that was a hundred years old and only one kid in history ever got an A on it and your parents still *****ed about you getting a B+ then they'd be the epitome of nitpicking whiners. "What do you mean, Khev? Lots of movies haven't gotten A's." But only ONE movie that was ever Part 3 in a series, and that was The Return of the King. To my knowledge TDKR is the second highest rated Part 3 in cinematic history. Not too shabby.

 

[DiFabio]

To my knowledge TDKR is the second highest rated Part 3 in cinematic history. Not too shabby.

Nope, Toy Story 3 too. So that makes it third "highest". I just looked up Toy Story, it has a 90%. I bet I can find more.



EDIT:


Last Crusade is higher too.


EDIT:


And the The Good, the Bad and the Ugly




And Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban



And Goldfinger

 

[Khev]

Nope, Toy Story 3 too. So that makes it third "highest". I just looked up Toy Story, it has a 90%. I bet I can find more.



EDIT:


Last Crusade is higher too.


EDIT:


And the The Good, the Bad and the Ugly




And Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban



And Goldfinger

Nice work, but those are some pretty DAMN big guns you had to bust out to show some films rated higher than TDKR. Goldfinger? The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly? I rest my case. I suppose the Last Crusade is the only dubious entry on that list but when I think about it it took years for me to figure out that it really wasn't up to par with the first too. It's still terrific entertainment. TDKR is within a couple percentage points of all but the first two. Again, not too shabby.