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Bale is in "The Fighter" with Mark Wahlburg. Bale has shed a ton of weight for the role, almost as much as he did for "The Mechanic". He also has his hair longer and kinda greasy looking. In short, he looks like 5h!t.
Amy Adams on the other hand looks scorching hot. Check the link.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowb...ristian-Bale-looks-extremely-latest-film.html
Bale is in "The Fighter" with Mark Wahlburg. Bale has shed a ton of weight for the role, almost as much as he did for "The Mechanic". He also has his hair longer and kinda greasy looking. In short, he looks like 5h!t.
Amy Adams on the other hand looks scorching hot. Check the link.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowb...ristian-Bale-looks-extremely-latest-film.html
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Yup, and if you watch the video, when he says that, he says with a tone like he and Nolan are like Depp an Burton and that basically, he's Nolan's Batman. It sounds like he thinks he'll only be Batman if Nolan's making the films and that once Nolan's out, nobody'll be asking him to play Batman again. I really don't sense that he's against playing the role more, but rather an uncertainty as to how long he'll be asked to play it. Of course if new directors take things in a direction he doesn't like I'm sure he'd stop for that, but within the Nolan style I think he's game for it.
Yup, and if you watch the video, when he says that, he says with a tone like he and Nolan are like Depp an Burton and that basically, he's Nolan's Batman. It sounds like he thinks he'll only be Batman if Nolan's making the films and that once Nolan's out, nobody'll be asking him to play Batman again. I really don't sense that he's against playing the role more, but rather an uncertainty as to how long he'll be asked to play it. Of course if new directors take things in a direction he doesn't like I'm sure he'd stop for that, but within the Nolan style I think he's game for it.
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Honestly, I wouldn't have a problem with an ongoing Batman/Spiderman/Superman/Green Lantern movie series as long as they were quality films. Problem with Spiderman and Xmen was that people got greedy and just pumped them out as fast as they could.
Honestly, I wouldn't have a problem with an ongoing Batman/Spiderman/Superman/Green Lantern movie series as long as they were quality films. Problem with Spiderman and Xmen was that people got greedy and just pumped them out as fast as they could.
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For comics, it makes even more sense since that is exactly what comics are all about. I don't think actor changes are a problem either; James Bond is the perfect example of an ongoing movie series that fans will watch even with actor changes. When comics change artists the look of the character often changes as well. That's why I really wish the new Spider-Man wasn't a reboot so much as a continuation of where the last movie left off. Well, maybe a continuation from the second movie on.
For comics, it makes even more sense since that is exactly what comics are all about. I don't think actor changes are a problem either; James Bond is the perfect example of an ongoing movie series that fans will watch even with actor changes. When comics change artists the look of the character often changes as well. That's why I really wish the new Spider-Man wasn't a reboot so much as a continuation of where the last movie left off. Well, maybe a continuation from the second movie on.
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I hope they reboot the series after TDKR. That would be cool. Maybe do a more comic booky series.
I hope they reboot the series after TDKR. That would be cool. Maybe do a more comic booky series.
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I think it could be effective if they did things as planned trilogies or pairs of films and marketed them that way. Instead of reboots or seeming like they're supposed to be related, just treat it like comics where certain artists take their crack at things for awhile.
While Schumacher's films were weak, I think their recepction might have been different if they weren't sort of meant to be continuations of Burton's work.
One thing you'd have to do is recast each series completely, not even someone like Alfred being cast the same, any ties between series will make audiences think they're supposed to go together, even if they aren't.
I think it could be effective if they did things as planned trilogies or pairs of films and marketed them that way. Instead of reboots or seeming like they're supposed to be related, just treat it like comics where certain artists take their crack at things for awhile.
While Schumacher's films were weak, I think their recepction might have been different if they weren't sort of meant to be continuations of Burton's work.
One thing you'd have to do is recast each series completely, not even someone like Alfred being cast the same, any ties between series will make audiences think they're supposed to go together, even if they aren't.
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That's what I want. Entirely new Batman series. Maybe a darker, more stylized one.
That's what I want. Entirely new Batman series. Maybe a darker, more stylized one.
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I'm sure it'll be a totally different take from Nolan's, as no filmmaker will want to follow Nolan in the same style, they'll want to distance themselves from him.
But I think from a marketing standpoint, they should make an effort to enforce that each set of films is a unique depiction. Going back to the origins with Beings helped that cause for Nolan's series, but even that film, if it weren't an origin story, probably would have been perceived as some sequel of sorts to the previous 4 films.
I'm sure it'll be a totally different take from Nolan's, as no filmmaker will want to follow Nolan in the same style, they'll want to distance themselves from him.
But I think from a marketing standpoint, they should make an effort to enforce that each set of films is a unique depiction. Going back to the origins with Beings helped that cause for Nolan's series, but even that film, if it weren't an origin story, probably would have been perceived as some sequel of sorts to the previous 4 films.
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I'm sick of reboots. Sure the next director should take the series in a different stylistic direction and make it more fantastical, but there's no reason the films couldn't share the same basic continuity.
I'm sick of reboots. Sure the next director should take the series in a different stylistic direction and make it more fantastical, but there's no reason the films couldn't share the same basic continuity.
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Well, depending on how one person handles the franchise, I think a reboot can be necessary, at least with properties featuring established characters. While I enjoy Nolan's take on Two-Face, I'd love to see a dramatic Batman film with a Two-Face troubled with multiple personalities like TAS. I had hopes for that in TDK just because I think Nolan's style would do well with that. I'm fine with what Nolan did, but you have to ignore the Nolan series in order to do a Two-Face film, though I'm sure people are anti-Two-Face now as he's been a villain for two films and plenty of others haven't been used once.
Well, depending on how one person handles the franchise, I think a reboot can be necessary, at least with properties featuring established characters. While I enjoy Nolan's take on Two-Face, I'd love to see a dramatic Batman film with a Two-Face troubled with multiple personalities like TAS. I had hopes for that in TDK just because I think Nolan's style would do well with that. I'm fine with what Nolan did, but you have to ignore the Nolan series in order to do a Two-Face film, though I'm sure people are anti-Two-Face now as he's been a villain for two films and plenty of others haven't been used once.
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Yes there is. The Joker.
I dont ever want to see the Heath Joker on screen again. That's HIS character. I want to see another Joker interpretation. Keep rebooting this series FOREVER!
Yes there is. The Joker.
I dont ever want to see the Heath Joker on screen again. That's HIS character. I want to see another Joker interpretation. Keep rebooting this series FOREVER!
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Agreed, I think the movies can be treated like comics, where you see the same characters through different eyes, I just think that once you go from one person's vision to the next, it'd work best if you pretty much treated it like you're doing something all new versus seeming like you just ruined someone else's vision. Like when Nolan's done, say the next person goes a Schumacher route with the style but crafts the story like it's a continuation of Nolan's work, people will feel like the new guy just ruined what Nolan started. Where if a new series is crafted with no regard for connection to Nolan's work, it'll be judges simply as new way to depict Batman and will be judged as that. Nolan has no connection to Burton's films so no one judged Nolan like he was taking Burton's stuff in the wrong direction. I'm probably confusing people with what I'm trying to say, it's hard to articulate.
Agreed, I think the movies can be treated like comics, where you see the same characters through different eyes, I just think that once you go from one person's vision to the next, it'd work best if you pretty much treated it like you're doing something all new versus seeming like you just ruined someone else's vision. Like when Nolan's done, say the next person goes a Schumacher route with the style but crafts the story like it's a continuation of Nolan's work, people will feel like the new guy just ruined what Nolan started. Where if a new series is crafted with no regard for connection to Nolan's work, it'll be judges simply as new way to depict Batman and will be judged as that. Nolan has no connection to Burton's films so no one judged Nolan like he was taking Burton's stuff in the wrong direction. I'm probably confusing people with what I'm trying to say, it's hard to articulate.
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I know exactly what you're getting at Maulfan.
I tend to view the films in the Batman movie franchise as separate films anyway. None of them really go well with each other. The closest two I can think of is Begins and The Dark Knight but even those two have trouble with canon and consistency (Rachel portrayed by different actresses, change in focus, etc.) They're not a perfect match but it's more believable than say the events of Batman and Robin coming after the events in Batman.
I don't have any problem with them "rebooting" Batman, just as long as it's good and fresh. Hell, as I stated before each film feels like a different movie in to begin with. Batman Returns doesn't feel like the sequel to Batman, it is it's own film with it's own theme and story. Batman Forever is NOTHING like Returns but more serious and dark when compared to say, Batman and Robin. I always had a problem with the idea that the audience should buy that the Schumacher films were in the same world as the Burton films. The visuals, actor changes, and direction were far too different to consider them canon. And then again, even the two films that each director made were drastic departures from one another.
Then we have all these different actors portraying the same characters, Keaton, Bale, Williams, Eckhart etc. Every movie out of the six so far have their own unique style, it doesn't matter who plays Batman, or who directs it as long as it's great and has a fantastic cast/crew and story.
I know exactly what you're getting at Maulfan.
I tend to view the films in the Batman movie franchise as separate films anyway. None of them really go well with each other. The closest two I can think of is Begins and The Dark Knight but even those two have trouble with canon and consistency (Rachel portrayed by different actresses, change in focus, etc.) They're not a perfect match but it's more believable than say the events of Batman and Robin coming after the events in Batman.
I don't have any problem with them "rebooting" Batman, just as long as it's good and fresh. Hell, as I stated before each film feels like a different movie in to begin with. Batman Returns doesn't feel like the sequel to Batman, it is it's own film with it's own theme and story. Batman Forever is NOTHING like Returns but more serious and dark when compared to say, Batman and Robin. I always had a problem with the idea that the audience should buy that the Schumacher films were in the same world as the Burton films. The visuals, actor changes, and direction were far too different to consider them canon. And then again, even the two films that each director made were drastic departures from one another.
Then we have all these different actors portraying the same characters, Keaton, Bale, Williams, Eckhart etc. Every movie out of the six so far have their own unique style, it doesn't matter who plays Batman, or who directs it as long as it's great and has a fantastic cast/crew and story.
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I see each director's films as going together, even with casting changes, the overall style and presentations stay the same. The problem with Burton and Schumacher was that Forever carries things over from '89, though a slightly different look, but the scene of Bruce's parents' murder is presented like the shot of Napier, so there's an effort at making it seem like the Batman in Forever has gone through everything in '89 and Returns, but yet the style of characters and Gotham are just so different, it feels like a failure. I think you need to sever those ties in order to seem like your own vision and have a better chance at being seen as successful.
I see each director's films as going together, even with casting changes, the overall style and presentations stay the same. The problem with Burton and Schumacher was that Forever carries things over from '89, though a slightly different look, but the scene of Bruce's parents' murder is presented like the shot of Napier, so there's an effort at making it seem like the Batman in Forever has gone through everything in '89 and Returns, but yet the style of characters and Gotham are just so different, it feels like a failure. I think you need to sever those ties in order to seem like your own vision and have a better chance at being seen as successful.
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Like I said I don't think a reboot is needed. Mainly cause we don't need to see batmans start of why everytime. Just tell a story. The one thing I'd like to see them stay away comic wise is getting back to the real goofy stuff from films like batman and robin. Keep it more a bit semi realistic.
Like I said I don't think a reboot is needed. Mainly cause we don't need to see batmans start of why everytime. Just tell a story. The one thing I'd like to see them stay away comic wise is getting back to the real goofy stuff from films like batman and robin. Keep it more a bit semi realistic.
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That's what I'm really driving at. Just jump into a new story, fresh story, no connections to anything before, no catching people, up, just jump right into things. Leave it up to the audience to rent other Batman films if they need to know who the character is.
As far as how to depict him after Nolan, I'd like to see something in an older time setting like Burton's films and TAS, but more like TAS where Batman is cunning and speedy and twarts criminals more with his physical gifts than anything technological. You can't do that in Nolan's world because the weaponry is too much, you can't have a Batman fast enough to dodge the types of guns and rockets accessible to criminals in the modern world of Nolan's story, but if you go to something like the 30's where machine guns were pretty basic and all, then you can have a Batman that doesn't need armor.
That's what I'm really driving at. Just jump into a new story, fresh story, no connections to anything before, no catching people, up, just jump right into things. Leave it up to the audience to rent other Batman films if they need to know who the character is.
As far as how to depict him after Nolan, I'd like to see something in an older time setting like Burton's films and TAS, but more like TAS where Batman is cunning and speedy and twarts criminals more with his physical gifts than anything technological. You can't do that in Nolan's world because the weaponry is too much, you can't have a Batman fast enough to dodge the types of guns and rockets accessible to criminals in the modern world of Nolan's story, but if you go to something like the 30's where machine guns were pretty basic and all, then you can have a Batman that doesn't need armor.
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I'd love to see Nolan and Bale return for Dark Knight Returns in ten, fifteen years.
I'd love to see Nolan and Bale return for Dark Knight Returns in ten, fifteen years.
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