The Chev
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This is true.
True, but in the film hardly any time in the film passes.
The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
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True, but in the film hardly any time in the film passes.
Yeah, the time frame is totally different.
I liked it all and I didn't feel that AUJ was slow like a lot of people because I understood why it was that way. I feel both movies are great and the last one will be the best of the lot.
Richard Armitage has said that PJ is very interested in visiting Middle Earth again, so maybe something is up?
He also said that he and PJ have discussed remaking Metropolis!
After reading an in depth article about the disputes between the studio and Tolkiens son. I think this is it until the rights change hands. The studio really screwed him over on profits from the LOTR films.
According to WB, they didn't, but after the huge success of the movies, then the heirs wanted more money. Who knows though? Maybe if someone other than WB is in the picture, maybe something will come of it. And didn't PJ have a problem with studios too?
Millionaires and billionaires and their problems.
The Chev
Super Freak
I thought Tolkien was more peeved about the rape of his father's work? Or so that's the impression I got.
jye4ever
Broke and happy
According to WB, they didn't, but after the huge success of the movies, then the heirs wanted more money. Who knows though? Maybe if someone other than WB is in the picture, maybe something will come of it. And didn't PJ have a problem with studios too?
Millionaires and billionaires and their problems.
Njits
Super Freak
Listening to the Soundcast podcast, and a good point was made about the lack of Misty mountains theme.
The dwarves have passed the Misty Mountains... Which is why we hear the Erebor theme much more often. Misty Mountains theme was never a "fellowship" theme.
The dwarves have passed the Misty Mountains... Which is why we hear the Erebor theme much more often. Misty Mountains theme was never a "fellowship" theme.
Dark_Knight_89
Super Freak
The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug - 9/10
Really enjoyed this. Peter Jackson's Middle Earth saga has the potential to be the best cinematic series in history.
Really enjoyed this. Peter Jackson's Middle Earth saga has the potential to be the best cinematic series in history.
So I went to see this again today. I was thinking that I would enjoy it a bit more without my kids there to make me worry about length and them getting bored.
I hate to say it but I liked it even less. It is By far the weakest of all the films IMO.
Here is what I did like......
Smaug and how he was rendered and voiced. Some of the action. The talking Spiders... And that is about it.
What I find that I really did not care for.
1. Nothing happens. They get to Lonely Mt. and that is about it. Sure we meet a few new characters but none of them add anything to the story. The Two Towers suffered a little bit from this but nothing like this film. At least TTT benefited from introducing us to some great characters which leads me to
2. There is no character growth. Hell there is hardly any character moments at all. Does Bilbo have more then 20 lines of dialogue?? Do any of the characters. There are no real memorable new characters either. Some of this has to do with the source material being spread over three films I am sure. LOTR got to introduce us to great new characters in almost each film but each was basically it's own book. The Hobbit is one small book so it's just not filled with enough great characters to fill three films.... Though they could have at least tried a little harder with the characters they already introduced.
*** I do make an exception for Smaug.... He was a great new Character and perhaps I like Bard in the next film more.
3. The made up stuff.... I don't mind the female Elf... But all of that love story with the dwarf stuff really slows down the film and fails at making me care at all. It feels forced and I have to assume it's because it's made up. I like Legolas as much as the next guy but he has a few two many "Oh Legolas is so cool" moments.... Does it bother me because I know he was not in the actual book and this was all done for the fan boys?? I don't know but again I have trouble getting invested in the character or the action. Also as cool as Smaug is the ending just drags on way too long. The whole Forging of the Gold Dwarf looks pretty but ultimately serves absolutely no purpose.
4. This could be my biggest complaint and perhaps it does not effect many on this board but this had FAR and AWAY the worst film score of the series... Not one memorable theme appears. Lake Town has a little theme but it's nothing like The Fellowship, Rohan, Gondor, or the Lonely Mt song... But not just that LOTR was filled with many other great themes. The Mines of Moria, the bridge of khazad dum, the love themes, Into the West, and so much more.... This film was basically just background music that could have been composed by anyone.
5. I know I got into with Josh about this... But I still say that having Gandalf fight Sauron ruins some of the tone and feel of the original films... Tolkien was smart to leave all of this in the appendices. I liked the extra stuff in AUJ.... Not so much in this film. I know I can research the books and find out a lot of this history but the films should stand on their own. And I still say that because of all of this (running into Sauron) Gandalf should have been suspicious of the Ring Bilbo has whenever Bilbo finally tells him. Leave out Sauron and I have no trouble with any of this. But like I have said before this could all change for me after I see the third film.
6. No sense of Danger..... What is it with Jackson and Lucas in their prequel films... People seem like they can fall for ever and ever and never get hurt. FOTR always felt grounded in reality... It's like Jackson made KING KONG and fell in love with the Dino stampede and wanted to repeat it.... This is a lesser complaint I have but I do miss the feeling of "as outlandish as this all is it still feels real"
I will always continue to watch this film because of Smaug... But if you took him out of the film this movie would have nothing to offer.
I would rate the films like this
FOTR EX- 10 out of 10
ROTK EX- 8.5 out of 10
AUJ EX - 7 out of 10
TTT EX - 6.5 out of 10
TDOS - 5 out of 10
Of course all of this is just my opinion and I realize that I am in the minority. Perhaps an EX version of this movie will greatly help the film for me.
I hate to say it but I liked it even less. It is By far the weakest of all the films IMO.
Here is what I did like......
Smaug and how he was rendered and voiced. Some of the action. The talking Spiders... And that is about it.
What I find that I really did not care for.
1. Nothing happens. They get to Lonely Mt. and that is about it. Sure we meet a few new characters but none of them add anything to the story. The Two Towers suffered a little bit from this but nothing like this film. At least TTT benefited from introducing us to some great characters which leads me to
2. There is no character growth. Hell there is hardly any character moments at all. Does Bilbo have more then 20 lines of dialogue?? Do any of the characters. There are no real memorable new characters either. Some of this has to do with the source material being spread over three films I am sure. LOTR got to introduce us to great new characters in almost each film but each was basically it's own book. The Hobbit is one small book so it's just not filled with enough great characters to fill three films.... Though they could have at least tried a little harder with the characters they already introduced.
*** I do make an exception for Smaug.... He was a great new Character and perhaps I like Bard in the next film more.
3. The made up stuff.... I don't mind the female Elf... But all of that love story with the dwarf stuff really slows down the film and fails at making me care at all. It feels forced and I have to assume it's because it's made up. I like Legolas as much as the next guy but he has a few two many "Oh Legolas is so cool" moments.... Does it bother me because I know he was not in the actual book and this was all done for the fan boys?? I don't know but again I have trouble getting invested in the character or the action. Also as cool as Smaug is the ending just drags on way too long. The whole Forging of the Gold Dwarf looks pretty but ultimately serves absolutely no purpose.
4. This could be my biggest complaint and perhaps it does not effect many on this board but this had FAR and AWAY the worst film score of the series... Not one memorable theme appears. Lake Town has a little theme but it's nothing like The Fellowship, Rohan, Gondor, or the Lonely Mt song... But not just that LOTR was filled with many other great themes. The Mines of Moria, the bridge of khazad dum, the love themes, Into the West, and so much more.... This film was basically just background music that could have been composed by anyone.
5. I know I got into with Josh about this... But I still say that having Gandalf fight Sauron ruins some of the tone and feel of the original films... Tolkien was smart to leave all of this in the appendices. I liked the extra stuff in AUJ.... Not so much in this film. I know I can research the books and find out a lot of this history but the films should stand on their own. And I still say that because of all of this (running into Sauron) Gandalf should have been suspicious of the Ring Bilbo has whenever Bilbo finally tells him. Leave out Sauron and I have no trouble with any of this. But like I have said before this could all change for me after I see the third film.
6. No sense of Danger..... What is it with Jackson and Lucas in their prequel films... People seem like they can fall for ever and ever and never get hurt. FOTR always felt grounded in reality... It's like Jackson made KING KONG and fell in love with the Dino stampede and wanted to repeat it.... This is a lesser complaint I have but I do miss the feeling of "as outlandish as this all is it still feels real"
I will always continue to watch this film because of Smaug... But if you took him out of the film this movie would have nothing to offer.
I would rate the films like this
FOTR EX- 10 out of 10
ROTK EX- 8.5 out of 10
AUJ EX - 7 out of 10
TTT EX - 6.5 out of 10
TDOS - 5 out of 10
Of course all of this is just my opinion and I realize that I am in the minority. Perhaps an EX version of this movie will greatly help the film for me.
The Chev
Super Freak
unfortunately I don't think I agree with a single thing you said. Nothing happens when they get to the Lonely mountain? Smaug? Shame, well maybe the next one will be more to your liking.
TT is actually my favorite film to watch out of all the LOTR films.
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The Chev
Super Freak
I feel the LOTR trilogy made plenty of changes from the books. I don't seem much difference in the choices made in LOTR and the Hobbit films.
There almost seems to be a double standard going on.
jye4ever
Broke and happy
Smaug was cool... But nothing happened leading up to it. In fact you could have just had them walk right up to the Mt at the end of the first and meet Smaug and we would have been none the wiser. I blame that it is the middle film in what should not be a three part series.
Oh well. I hope part three is more to my liking.
Oh and you stated you did not agree with anything I said.... Did you think the film score added anything to the film??? I love the Middle Earth Scores and they add so much to the films for me.. This film score added nothing. I am starting to thing that Howard Shore is getting bored.
jye4ever
Broke and happy
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The Chev
Super Freak
Hmmm. Yes, I felt the score added to parts of the film. It's a very Good score, but where FotR, TT, and ROTK's scores had almost every single track be powerful, DoS only had a few. If I was ranking scores though, this would be last.
Well, I don't feel nothing happened leading up to it, but you seem to not be a fan of the middle chapter of TT as well, unless you just didn't care for the EX cut of TT.
A few things that happened on the way to meet Smaug that set-up things in the next film.
I will be very interested in your thoughts on TABA next year.
P.S I was hugely disappointed with TT when I first saw it back in 02, but over time my opinion has changed.
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