The Mandalorian (Star Wars Live Action Series)

[hellgrammite00]

I can roll with that but Cap 3rd act alone is like all of ROTJ 3rd act so freaking awesome lol

To be honest I am not sure what is better, EG or ROTJ. I have to think about it. I like the first act in ROTJ with Jabba, and the Death Star stuff. Endor is a big miss for me. I can see why Harrison Ford thought he should have died, instead of having him running around with Carebears.

 

[a-dev]

https://youtu.be/_ntrP-GQwsQ?t=143

 

[hellgrammite00]

https://youtu.be/_ntrP-GQwsQ?t=143

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79CNws71XlI

 

[jye4ever]

To be honest I am not sure what is better, EG or ROTJ. I have to think about it. I like the first act in ROTJ with Jabba, and the Death Star stuff. Endor is a big miss for me. I can see why Harrison Ford thought he should have died, instead of having him running around with Carebears.

For me easily ROTJ warts and all and boy are there plenty > EG

https://youtu.be/_ntrP-GQwsQ?t=143

That is a pure perfection of a response lol

Here you are watching the ST now:

 

[ZE_501]

Luke shooting womp rats explained his confidence in their mission but it in no way had any bearing on him making the shot since when the time came he relied on the Force and not his womp rat skills.

We saw him use the Force on-screen.

We know he murdered innocent Womp Rats off-screen, but we don't know if he was using the Force or not and have no way of knowing.

We know he flew a T-16 Skyhopper and I believe the general cockpit layout was similar to an X-Wing (based on some source I can't remember), but the similarity certainly ended there.

But surviving a barrage of fire from *Darth Vader* when career Top Gun pilots failed? The very first time he even *sat* in an X-Wing let alone piloted *any* vehicle in space?

While I agree with you that Luke is by definition a Mary Sue, looking at the film's internal logic, flying an X-Wing in space appears identical to flying it in atmosphere. They make the same maneuvers and so do aerodynamically impossible TIEs for that matter, so we can assume his reputation as a pilot which was mentioned once in the theatrical cut and twice in the SE was well-deserved. However, dog-fighting is complicated. Even the Force shouldn't help him that much on his first time out, even though spinning's a good trick.

Evading Vader's fire in a narrow trench is less complicated, if you figure the Force is giving him reflexes or limited pre-science to just barely evade target lock. Vader even commented on this, and I quote:

"***** son, the Force is strong in this mo*********er."

At least Rey was still flying the Falcon in her native environment through debris fields and tunnels she knew like the back of her hand.

I'm not saying that either gets a full pass on the "Mary Sue hero card" or whatever you want to call it but um it's a freaking space fantasy adventure film we're supposed to allow for the main heroes of the story to succeed in areas where most would fail.

Flying a giant saucer-shaped freighter for the first time at high speeds through that wreckage while being fired upon by pursuing by fighters still beats Luke having to scoot down a straight line while drifting in and out of target lock. But given he was proficiently dog-fighting just prior while evading turbolasers, I guess I'd have to call it even.

My problems with Rey didn't start there. In fact she was never an issue for me in TFA.

 

[The Buffinator]

Palps against Windu had only baby sith powers. A single light saber is enough to hold back his lightning. His lightning could really only hit one person. By the time he fights Rey, he has increased his power 10x with the dyad juiceup, and his lightning is now able to pinpoint snipe an entire fleet of enemy ships.

So it makes sense that if his power is the greatest for any Sith ever, that you would need 2x lightsabers to repel it.

It really is the best writing of our generation.

The only thing they didn't do was have Rey deflect a deathstar blast with her lightsabers...yet.

We could go back and forth on this forever. It's all a matter of personal interpretation. I could counter that he used all of that extra "dyad juice-up" when he was zapping all the ships, thereby bringing him back to his normal Sith energy level for his confrontation with Rey (Note: I'm not really proposing that - I'm actually in Khev's camp regarding their confrontation - i.e., it's all the Sith vs. all the Jedi.).

Obviously you'd already made up your mind about Rey & the ST long before she'd confronted Palpatine (nothing wrong with that), whereas I was still enjoying the character and the overall story. Let's just agree to disagree and move on.

 

[hellgrammite00]

We could go back and forth on this forever. It's all a matter of personal interpretation. I could counter that he used all of that extra "dyad juice-up" when he was zapping all the ships, thereby bringing him back to his normal Sith energy level for his confrontation with Rey (Note: I'm not really proposing that - I'm actually in Khev's camp regarding their confrontation - i.e., it's all the Sith vs. all the Jedi.).

Obviously you'd already made up your mind about Rey & the ST long before she'd confronted Palpatine (nothing wrong with that), whereas I was still enjoying the character and the overall story. Let's just agree to disagree and move on.

Fair point, agree.

I will note that Palpatine still had uber-sith red lining his his cloak, which still shows Palpatine was still in Super-Saiyan Dyad mode.

I am just messing around. If people like the new trilogy, more power to them. My brother thinks ST is better than OT, and I have learned to accept peoples opinions, even if I can't always understand them.

 

[ZE_501]

[...]It really is the best writing of our generation.

They even used a sharp crayon.

 

[ZE_501]

Endgame is easily better than ROTJ.

ROTJ is the awkward cute girl next door I grew up with and I wish her well in life.

Endgame is way hotter and does that thing I like.

 

[jye4ever]

The Canto Bight scene stampede of the wealthy controlling elite is probably equivalent of what Lucas did to hollywood by coming up with SW I wonder if be instructed RJ to add that scene.

There are even 2 moons (instead of suns) as evidence lol

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[The Buffinator]

Fair point, agree.

I will note that Palpatine still had uber-sith red lining his his cloak, which still shows Palpatine was still in Super-Saiyan Dyad mode.

Or does that just mean he's a vampire? lol

I am just messing around. If people like the new trilogy, more power to them. My brother thinks ST is better than OT, and I have learned to accept peoples opinions, even if I can't always understand them.

I assumed so - same with my cheeky comparisons to Mace Windu. If it helps us find common ground, I think your brother is definitely wrong.

 

[hellgrammite00]

Endgame is easily better than ROTJ.

ROTJ is the awkward cute girl next door I grew up with and I wish her well in life.

Endgame is way hotter and does that thing I like.

ROTJ is the awkward cute girl next door that as you grew up realized was also a furry.

 

[JAWS]

To be fair, the force wasn't used to defeat Palpatine, who sucked the Dyad energy into himself, reviving him to epic levels. It was the power of two lightsabers, which can repel unlimited Sith energy, back at its user.

Rey got the courage from all the voice she heard to use two light sabers.

I thought it was that she had all the Jedi within her.. She said it herself. So I dont think it was just two sabers but the fact for a brief moment she had the power of all the jedi behind her. Wasn't that the point to her reaching out to them and her last comment to the Emperor

He basically did drain them, which explains why the force heal killed Ben. Rey was able to force heal fatal injuries with no side effects, showing force healing to heal a giant monster or major injuries carries no penalty. But Ben tried to save Ray with his force power drained, and all he had left was his life force. I mean Luke set the standard in ST showing that if you need to juice up your force powers, you can sacrifice your own life force as a resource.

Unless you want to make the argument that Ben is just weaker than Rey, because she is a Mary Sue

Rey was able to defeat the emperor with no force powers effectively.

I took it that ben died because using force powers to heal someone is one thing,, It drains you a bit but to bring a person back from the dead = death.

Obviously its never explained but its the pieces i put together.

 

[hellgrammite00]

Or does that just mean he's a vampire? lol

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I assumed so - same with my cheeky comparisons to Mace Windu. If it helps us find common ground, I think your brother is definitely wrong.

I guess he is like a force vampire....def. see the inspiration they got for the red now.

Star Wars I think any fan has to keep lighthearted. One moment Luke is getting his hand cut-off, and the next Jar-Jar Binks is working in the Senate.

Mandalorian to me is a breath of fresh air, and entertains me in a way Star Wars used too. Combining western, sci-fi and action elements. It uses modern CGI to help its narrative, not lean on it.

Does anybody argue ST is as good...or better than The Mandalorian by any chance? I imagine there are a few floating around here. For me is a stark contrast. I am rewatching the Mandalorian season 1 again, and man, its still so fresh.

 

[ZE_501]

ROTJ is the awkward cute girl next door that as you grew up realized was also a furry.

***spits coffee***

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[JAWS]

From a certain point of view LOLOLOL ... the Emperor failed to turn Luke and that is *a* defeat of sorts, but Vader killed him. Luke was totally incapable and even Vader had to surprise him and died for it. As Luke's delicate bits were frying he immediately regretted his trash talk.

Since Luke ends up not having as much training as Rey then it would make sense that he could not do as well against the emperor.

If you want to look at it from that point of view

A key ingredient in defeating Palpatine if you aren't the Chosen One seems to be asking for help.

Mace arrogantly refused Anakin's assistance and lost.

Yoda arrogantly refused to let Obi-Wan assist him and lost.

Ben Solo tried to stand alone against Palps and lost.

Interestingly enough all three fell great distances as a result too.

But Luke asked for the help of the Chosen One and prevailed. Rey asked for the help of the Chosen One (and a whole mess of other Jedi) and prevailed.

I believe that only Anakin was capable of defeating Palps by himself.

TROS Palps was channeling the power of all the Sith but Rey was able to defeat him by channeling not her own power but rather the power of all the Jedi, which actually made her exponentially stronger than Palps.

Because the self-serving "only two" rule became his greatest weakness in that moment. If you consider two Sith at a time for a thousand generations (25,000 years) that's 50,000 Sith. Whereas Rey was channeling the power of *millions* of Jedi (a mere 200 Jedi per generation times 1,000 generations is 5 million right there.) Palps had no chance and was toast. A nice overlap with "but there are more of us Poe, there are more of us..." taking place above.

It was never Rey's power or the power of her lightsabers if you listen to the dialogue.

I basically said the same thing. Its right there in the movie.

Oh btw I rewatched EG lastnight thinking the 3rd act was not going to hold up and totally disappoint me JAWS style BUT NOPE it totally held up and still kicked ass hell it actually improved some!

I still have not gotten around to watching EG again since my last "preview" of it when I thought I might like it (I had just got done watching parts of JL and then put in EG and could not get over the quality of it in comparison) I dont know if the end will hit me still... I never thought it was that great.. Hulk or not. I am hoping to enjoy the rest of the film more.

 

[jye4ever]

I thought it was that she had all the Jedi within her.. She said it herself. So I dont think it was just two sabers but the fact for a brief moment she had the power of all the jedi behind her. Wasn't that the point to her reaching out to them and her last comment to the Emperor




I took it that ben died because using force powers to heal someone is one thing,, It drains you a bit but to bring a person back from the dead = death.

Obviously its never explained but its the pieces i put together.

True look what force healing does to Grogu it makes him sleepy.

 

[jye4ever]

Since Luke ends up not having as much training as Rey then it would make sense that he could not do as well against the emperor.

If you want to look at it from that point of view





I basically said the same thing. Its right there in the movie.



I still have not gotten around to watching EG again since my last "preview" of it when I thought I might like it (I had just got done watching parts of JL and then put in EG and could not get over the quality of it in comparison) I dont know if the end will hit me still... I never thought it was that great.. Hulk or not. I am hoping to enjoy the rest of the film more.

It’s all Cap porn the movie should be called Cap-hub.

 

[JAWS]

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Does anybody argue ST is as good...or better than The Mandalorian by any chance? I imagine there are a few floating around here. For me is a stark contrast. I am rewatching the Mandalorian season 1 again, and man, its still so fresh.

I might have after season 1. I just was not that much a fan. I liked parts of it but not all. I was not much of a fan of the ST either but liked parts of it. The ST highs for me were just higher then Season 1 of Mando.

Season 2 was epic with only two Episodes that reminded me of season 1 (the 1st two) and the 1st one had such epic FX I could not be too angry with it.

Season 2 even made me like the Fish Alien guy from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.. I hated him in the first episode of season 1.. Thought he was pretty funny in season two with his whac a mole shooting style.

I need to watch season 1 again.. I figure I will start up after Christmas

 

[The Buffinator]

I guess he is like a force vampire....def. see the inspiration they got for the red now.

Star Wars I think any fan has to keep lighthearted. One moment Luke is getting his hand cut-off, and the next Jar-Jar Binks is working in the Senate.

Mandalorian to me is a breath of fresh air, and entertains me in a way Star Wars used too. Combining western, sci-fi and action elements. It uses modern CGI to help its narrative, not lean on it.

Yes, it's fresh and new and you can tell it's made by people who are first and foremost fans. Also, It reminds me of Firefly with the way they've successfully created the "western in space" vibe, and thinking of that show always brings a smile to my face.

Does anybody argue ST is as good...or better than The Mandalorian by any chance? I imagine there are a few floating around here. For me is a stark contrast. I am rewatching the Mandalorian season 1 again, and man, its still so fresh.

No one that I know. And if anyone argues the PT is as good or better than Mando, well...you know what they say about opinions.