The Plastic Fett POLL

[Darth Rage]

Honestly who cares, Boba Fett was a punk @ss b*tch anyway.

 

[DannieDarKo]

Honestly who cares, Boba Fett was a punk @ss b*tch anyway.

 

[Brent72]

Honestly who cares, Boba Fett was a punk @ss b*tch anyway.

Blasphemy! :maul

 

[Batty]

Nah, they are plastic ------ they would float!

Either that, or he would magically escape like he did with the Sarlacc in the EU.

 

[tomandshell]

Dusty has been responding to this thread for over 15 minutes now ...

I'm confused...

I looked it up and she hasn't posted since yesterday.

 

[LOTRFan]

I'm confused...

I looked it up and she hasn't posted since yesterday.

She was listed as posting twice during this whole ordeal (using the "current active users") perhaps she gave way to Brant to give the explanation.

 

[tomandshell]

She was listed as posting twice during this whole ordeal (using the "current active users") perhaps she gave way to Brant to give the explanation.

Gotcha....

 

[anakin1138]

It's always about how it looks. That's the point of collecting statues.

I do see where you are coming from in terms of it feeling overpriced now. That is still a valid concern. However, I think they are just going to rationalize the "extra" cost under R&D for creating this piece. I am one of those people than don't feel Grievous PF is worth the price (if the sabers lit up then MAY BE). People justify it's price under all the technical aspect that went into it.

Not making excuses for Sideshow. Just offering a different perspective.

I kinda agree with you SolidLiquidFox... and the production piece seems to look even better than the Boba PF prototype... and this is the very first time a final production piece is that great and even better than the original... so let's see when we have him in hands... In no way I consider it a low quality statue... that is a high end statue for all the efforts and time Sideshow has spent to bring him to "life"... (I see customs star wars 12" figures on ebay went for more than 300 dollars and they are made of cheap plastic, so the time spent in researching and making the piece perfect is somewhat even more important than the materials used, if you think about this example...) and do you think somebody would have noticed about the use of abs plastic instead of polystone for the body? I don't think so than I think Sideshow has been fair to let us know about it, all the people who don't want to keep him can now cancel before the credit cards will be charged... well as I said, we'll see when we'll have him in hand but I do think Boba will be the best SW PF ever produced until now... and by the way, If they'll make a fur Chewie using an ABS body turning out to be perfect I would buy it(maybe this could be a way to cut the cost and focusing on making the fur parts perfect...:chew

 

[vespagirl]

I'm having a hard time understanding why some posters here are feeling bamboozled by SS because of the timing of the announcement of materials used. The production blog was pretty detailed and the explanation made sense to me, as a non-customizing collector. When this piece was announced, I instantly debated with another collector over the technical challenges because of the detail involved. It's a personal choice to keep or cancel and the reasons why to do either. I'm perplexed because far less detailed pieces from various manufacturers with price points all over the freakin' map have caused less of a controversy.

 

[spaceman]

They did the right thing, giving us the information early and clearly. I don't feel decieved in the least.

However, I had always assumed the armor would be metal, and would much have preferred that decision. Of course, like all fans, I get to have that preference/opinion while remaining happily ignorant of the actual manufacturing logistics.

 

[anakin1138]

The funny thing guys is that if this was made by Koto we would all be saying it looks awesome but its vinyl.....and in there lies the problem with this. It looks great but its made of plastic.

yes, but the plastic is just like a mannequin for the PF with real clothes and plastic abs parts to look and feel like the real thing... so no way to compare the Boba PF to the Vinyl Koto Boba.

 

[anakin1138]

As nobody has posted this message by Sideshow Brant in another thread I'm doing it right now, here's his explanation... so many of you will understand:

Re: Can SS clarify the PF Boba debate??

At the base of this debate, there seems to be a question of whether plastic (ABS/PVC/etc) is less expensive to produce than polystone. While it is true than ABS and PVC plastic materials are less expensive than polystone material, this is only a small part of the cost invested in the figure. In order to make castings in ABS, PVC, PP or the other plastic materials (injection plastics), we have to make very expensive steel tools. The cost to make the steel tool is the same whether we make one thousand piecs, tweny-five thousand, or one million pieces. You may expect injection plastic products to be less expensive because most injection plastic products are made in very large quantity, and that original investment in tooling is spread out (ammortized) over that large quantity, therefore having very little impact on the retail price.

Boba Fett is a very limited edition collectible, and therefore the investment in the steel tooling is not spread over very many pieces. There is no cost savings to Sideshow to produce Fett with injection plastic materials versus producing with polystone. We chose the injection plastic materials to give Fett the best possible outcome. The Boba Fett Premium Format Figure lives up to the Premium Format title (which is not called Polystone Format for a very good reason - these are meant to be mixed-mediums to capture the best of each character).

Now Guys be happy Boba is on its way to our home... I am in the EU so I have to wait more time to get him but I just can't wait!:chew

 

[IrishJedi]

I agree.

There have been other incidents in the past where SSC's CS reps were less than professional. I'm not going to bother sifting through all the threads on this board, but the bottom line is that the general sentiment was always to the effect of "if you're not happy, then please don't do business with us"

Even a particular SSC rep here has made that sentiment in their postings on at least one occasion. I won't name the rep because I feel it would be dragging them through the mud and I'm not trying to do that...just making a point that Sideshow can be somewhat rude at times.

And this debate is getting to be pointless because there are clearly two dominant, opposing sides of this issue, and neither will back down.

If you're fine with the situation, keep your pre-order and best of luck to you. I hope you get your money's worth.

If you're unhappy with the situation, then cancel your order and send an e-mail to Sideshow explaining your decision to cancel. Keep it professional. I think Sideshow starts seeing dissatisfied customer e-mails accompanied by CANCELLATIONS, then they may think twice in the future.

For the record, I would cancel my pre-order (if I had one) unless the price changed by at least $50. Plastic is not as high-end as polystone, and the consumer should not have to pay polystone prices. Yes, there may have been more R&D costs associated with this figure, but that's because their initial planning was apparently incorrect.

Why should the customer suffer from their design flaws? This Boba PF is not the only product Sideshow makes. They can just eat the extra R&D costs out of respect for the customer. They can spread out the costs over various other products (tack on an extra $5 or $10 on the next several PFs they make). Maybe stop giving out so many gift card codes and/or free merchandise for a little while?

Bottom line for SSC: You can lower the price because it isn't going to bankrupt you, and a "wag of the finger" to you for withholding the info for so long.

SPOT ON.

That's the whole crux of the issue in a nutshell right there. This whole thing was in bad form by SSC and I hope they at least learn from this and don't venture down the path of Gentle Giant.

That said... since it is now unfortunately apparent that SSC is not going to lower the price I have officially CANCELLED my pre-order.

And I like and respect Brant as much as anyone, but that is clearly spin control on his part. Can't say I blame him, since this is what he does for a living. But I'm sorry, I don't buy that as a clear explanation for 1) waiting until now to give us this information and 2) not lowering the price of the product out of respect for the customer at worst and out of ethics at best. Hence, at least one order cancelled.

 

[The Josh]

Despite the fact SS has given their reasons I keep reading they need to avoid going down this road. They have OUR best interest in mind so we get a very nice High End piece INTACT. They have, bring in, have made, whatever a machine that will help in this process. That adds to the price yet I keep reading the same BS. Next, time they need to do it all in poly and when they show up broke they can go we gave you what you wanted.

 

[IrishJedi]

Josh, I think you are also overlooking that it's not standard business practice to constantly pass on the cost of R&D (and even changing R&D when mistakes are made) to the consumer. This is one area where SSC really puts their foot in their mouth, imho.

Also, how about the irony of justifying the $10 price increase of the Holo Chess Set due to the use of polystone over plastic. Yet when the reverse happens on Fett there is no price decrease and the collector, as usual, gets to fit the bill. B.S. on that.

 

[The Josh]

The cost of R&D doesn't get passed on to the consumer? Please pass that on to automakers and all other businesses.

Brant gave the reasons why Fett using the ABS is more exspensive despite the lack of Poly. I believe him therefore the costs are justified IMO.

 

[MaulFan]

Also, how about the irony of justifying the $10 price increase of the Holo Chess Set due to the use of polystone over plastic. Yet when the reverse happens on Fett there is no price decrease and the collector, as usual, gets to fit the bill. B.S. on that.

Just curious, but when was there ever a public statement that the price was higher because of the material it's made with?

 

[vespagirl]

Just curious, but when was there ever a public statement that the price was higher because of the material it's made with?

https://www.sideshowtoy.com/behindtheshow/?p=2688&source=wp_news

Doesn't say the price is higher, but intimates it with the statement of keeping it "within the range..."

 

[Agent23]

I'm going to keep this simple:

When I think of polystone, I think of "statues"...

When I think of plastic I think of "action figures"...

I was under the impression that Boba Fett was going to be polystone. If he's done in plastic, my opinion is I might just wait for a 12" of him. However, since this is kinda new (Fett's format), I may still keep mine on order and see how I like it in person. If I don't like, he'll go back to Sideshow.

I'm disappointed he's not in polystone. But, I'm not going to throw things and have a fit over it either. It is what it is. If your not happy let your cancelation do the speaking for you.

It's alot easier to say how great the piece is and all that. But, when someone does express their displeasure we rip them a new one. Or say they are whining, crying, etc.

Bottom line. Don't like it. Don't buy it. Take the $350 and put it in a cd or save it for a rainy day.

Peace.

AK

 

[Shai]

MWHAHAHAHAHA...STAR WARS FOOLS !!!!!


YOUR BOBA AINT A STATUE ANYMORE.....



THIS IS A STATUE :