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The PREDATOR Appreciation Thread
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Predator was in the blu-ray player 2 hours ago.Predators in the blu ray player now.
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Re: The all new PREDATOR Appreciation Thread
Well if the AvP preds were cold blooded they would most likely have died before ever getting to the pyramid lol.
I agree it was a lil weird that they chose a frozen place to base it on seeing as it was always made a point that Heat draws the predators to a hunting ground. I def dun mind trying something different and i dont think it always needs to be in a jungle. I really loved predator 2 , but i do like consistency and that does not have to stop things from being different.
anywho yea
Well if the AvP preds were cold blooded they would most likely have died before ever getting to the pyramid lol.
I agree it was a lil weird that they chose a frozen place to base it on seeing as it was always made a point that Heat draws the predators to a hunting ground. I def dun mind trying something different and i dont think it always needs to be in a jungle. I really loved predator 2 , but i do like consistency and that does not have to stop things from being different.
anywho yea
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What I'm saying is, if they can travel through space, if they can develop all of these amazing weapons, why can't they create something that can keep their temperature the same, or whatever?
Bio-masks, wrist computers, plasma casters, come on....
I remember in AvP2 the game, when the scientists or whoever tried taking the wristblade gauntlet off of a Predator, it would have killed him somehow.. Can't remember, but I think it was threatening to inject him with something.
I also think their chunkyness had something to do with the colder weather. Like they purposely gained the weight for it.
As for the "Why would they pick a cold place when they prefer the warmer climates?".
Like I said, when the pyramids were built, when they started the whole Earth Alien hunting thing, the place wasn't covered in ice..
And it's obvious they like to challenge themselves..
Bio-masks, wrist computers, plasma casters, come on....
I remember in AvP2 the game, when the scientists or whoever tried taking the wristblade gauntlet off of a Predator, it would have killed him somehow.. Can't remember, but I think it was threatening to inject him with something.
I also think their chunkyness had something to do with the colder weather. Like they purposely gained the weight for it.
As for the "Why would they pick a cold place when they prefer the warmer climates?".
Like I said, when the pyramids were built, when they started the whole Earth Alien hunting thing, the place wasn't covered in ice..
And it's obvious they like to challenge themselves..
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Re: The all new PREDATOR Appreciation Thread
relax man, it's just a discussion over something very subjective, it'd be like us fighting over coke and pepsi, some like one, some like the other, no reason to make your head explode
by my posts you probably have gathered that i'm a bigger predator than alien fan, i love them both but it's like asking me "which hand do you wanna chop off' ... well, preferably neither but i'm right handed, so predator is the right hand
you have to see it from my point of view, (like most fans) i had been waiting for a AVP film since the early 90s when they showed the damn warrior skull in Predator 2, so i was hyped up to see a collaboration of those, i didn't expect the film to as amazing as the originals but i was hoping it was somewhat engaging, with better human characters, and likable predators - also there's SO much source material to pick from and anderson claimed he was a huge AVP fan, so i had my hopes up high that he would go with something more intense than what he ended up doing [i had no issues with anderson, but after AVP i just began to hate his work]
i found AVP really weak and cheap, and by cheap i mean it lacked the "realism" the first 2 predator films had, not just what they were doing or why they were doing it, but the look of things, and i thought as bad of a film as AVP:R was, it had at least the LOOK of things in the right direction, i agree that the hybrid was terrible, but except for in the first film, i didn't care what the alien design was? the first film was horror/suspense, it was before anyone knew what an alien was, what it looked like, what it did, etc, so the entire film relies on the mystery that comes with the creature, ALIENS was an action flick, by now we know what the alien looks like, what they do, etc, just kill them and move on [except for the queen, which was the next level up for the suspense factor] ... where as with the predators, they are always mysterious, all these years and we still don't know everything about their culture and there's so much more room to expand - not saying the aliens are a total bore, but there's more mystery to the predators than aliens imo
the characters in AVP: bleh, none of them were good enough to make me care for them, in fact most of them were just annoying and i couldn't care less when they died - like the blonde dyke with the "guns are like condoms" line, so cheap
the actors in AVP: some of them hadn't even SEEN any of the original films, and had no clue what an alien queen was or what a chestburster did ... i mean come on! if you're gonna BE in a film, at least do a little research before hand
i honestly don't see anything clever about AVP or AVP:R, they were both just recycles of the original films
sacrificial chamber scene: i'm not sure what's so brilliant about that, it's borrowed from other source material and it was a bit too transparent for me - and yes, at the end, when the elder shows up and picks up the body of scar, everyone in our group groaned because they saw the HYBRID coming, because they shows the facehugger creeping around when scar took off the bio to mark himself - but what was a let down about the predators in AVP was, that an elder didn't even THINK to just put on his bio and scan scar's dead body for JUST to be on the safe side? ripley said in ALIEN, "if we let it in, the ship could be infected, you know the quarantine procedure, 24 hours for decontamination" ... you're telling me that as advanced as the predators are, they didn't think of that?
the ending for AVP was a bit cartoony, it reminded me of CRITTERS or even the 1998 version of GODZILLA, which were movies i hardly take seriously.
as for the action scenes, some of it was decent, most of it not so good
thing is, aliens hunt as a pack, and predators, from what we've seen so far hunt alone, so if you're gonna have a "vs" film, a 1 on 1 fight is gonna look ridiculous, especially if you're gonna grab the alien by it's feet and swing it around in circles, that looked like something out of bugs bunny to me
AVP:R had the same issues, it had some of the worst acting i have seen in a mainstream film in a long time, the plot was paper thin and the story was just FLAWED! the only saving grace of that film was that it was ONE badass predator who went in alone and killed a crapload of aliens and whatever stood in his way [including humans, humans making friends with predators just doesn't sit right with me]
the whole thing with the hybrid impregnating already pregnant women was garbage, and so was the attempt at telling this back story of some guy named "dallas" [ha ha, yea very clever, we get it] was just a big freakin mistake, it added NOTHING to the film cause you honestly don't care who lives or dies except for wolf [if you're a predator fan]
AVP:R action scenes: they weren't "dynamic" like in AVP, they were basic and primal, which is what i liked better, cause to me the predators are more primal hunters than martial artists, like in the original films where the first 2 predators didn't do any flip moves or cartwheels, they approached their enemy slowly while scaring the crap out of them - but i guess paul anderson really thought the whole "bullet time predator" thing was a good idea which didn't sit well with some of us
going back to what i said earlier, i dislike both movies, like i love both species (which hand do you wanna cut off example), but i dislike AVP a little more than AVP:R just because it has a more respectable predator in the film, not these goons who are useless without their shoulder canons, a predator needs to be able to make do with whatever and still be able to kick ass
BUT, after everything is said and done, i have to say that i think it's damn near impossible to make a successful AVP film, not to mention please both fandoms - if one director makes it, they will always lean towards favoring one spices and make the other look bad, something like this needs TWO very amazing directors who understand the material and can collaborate on this evenly.
Okay, I'm not going to read the previous posts because my head will probably explode with anger like it has in the past with these "AvP: Good, or Bad?" discussions.
I read the first part of yours, herzograven, about them having no skill.
THEY SHOWED 100X MORE SKILL THAN WOLF.
The movie wasn't terrible. It was really, a great movie. Some things, maybe several, were annoying and major fans didn't want to see. But overall, it was a really well-made movie.
I loved the actors, especially Raul Bova (<--spelling). The story was beyond brilliant, so freaken unique and interesting. The movie is just very comfortable and clever.
Like when the eggs pop up in the Sacrificial chamber.. Brilliant.
"Vwhat did you say this room was called?" "...Sacrificial chamber..."
WOOSH!
Was anybody expecting the Predalien at the end? No, don't say you were. BRILLIANT. We see it pop out, hear that wonderful hybridy screech, then the movie ends! Perfect.
Action/fighting scenes don't make a horrible movie amazing. AvP had the small details, the incredibly unique story, those awesome twists and turns.. By small details I mean things like the Queen head at the beg...oh, wait it's a Satellite.
Now, the action scenes played a HUGE part in this movie. They were literally, just magnificent. They were so well-done. If you hated Celtic to death, if you hated Grid to death, if you hated the Alien and Predator franchises to death, you were still amazed when Celtic picks up Grid by his leg and starts swinging him in circle bashing his head through the stone walls.. Then the toss and roar, orgasmic.. Scar doing that flip/jump thing and stabbing the Queen with the combi-stick? Scar leaping from ledge to ledge (my favorite scene, btw) while being shot at, and while cloaking? Amazing.
When I watched the movie in the theater, at age 8 or whatever.. I was definitely more of a Predator fan than Alien. But when Grid killed my favorite AvP Pred design, Chopper, I was amazed. Sure, Grid didn't really use any effort, but the way the scene was set up was just pure gold.
I mean, come on.. What did Wolf do that was beyond brilliant? Strip naked at the end? Poor blue ____ on dead bodies? Hold up two squirmy wormies by their necks only to get wacked into a wall because he's a complete ____ing moron? SKIN A GUY AND HANG'M IN A TREE WHEN HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE RIDDING COLORADO OF ALIEN EVIDENCE!!!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!
Phew, head almost exploded there...
And on top of that, you can't even see anything in AvP:R
Please don't respond to this post saying how AvP was horrible, etc.....I might have to shoot myself.
relax man, it's just a discussion over something very subjective, it'd be like us fighting over coke and pepsi, some like one, some like the other, no reason to make your head explode
by my posts you probably have gathered that i'm a bigger predator than alien fan, i love them both but it's like asking me "which hand do you wanna chop off' ... well, preferably neither but i'm right handed, so predator is the right hand
you have to see it from my point of view, (like most fans) i had been waiting for a AVP film since the early 90s when they showed the damn warrior skull in Predator 2, so i was hyped up to see a collaboration of those, i didn't expect the film to as amazing as the originals but i was hoping it was somewhat engaging, with better human characters, and likable predators - also there's SO much source material to pick from and anderson claimed he was a huge AVP fan, so i had my hopes up high that he would go with something more intense than what he ended up doing [i had no issues with anderson, but after AVP i just began to hate his work]
i found AVP really weak and cheap, and by cheap i mean it lacked the "realism" the first 2 predator films had, not just what they were doing or why they were doing it, but the look of things, and i thought as bad of a film as AVP:R was, it had at least the LOOK of things in the right direction, i agree that the hybrid was terrible, but except for in the first film, i didn't care what the alien design was? the first film was horror/suspense, it was before anyone knew what an alien was, what it looked like, what it did, etc, so the entire film relies on the mystery that comes with the creature, ALIENS was an action flick, by now we know what the alien looks like, what they do, etc, just kill them and move on [except for the queen, which was the next level up for the suspense factor] ... where as with the predators, they are always mysterious, all these years and we still don't know everything about their culture and there's so much more room to expand - not saying the aliens are a total bore, but there's more mystery to the predators than aliens imo
the characters in AVP: bleh, none of them were good enough to make me care for them, in fact most of them were just annoying and i couldn't care less when they died - like the blonde dyke with the "guns are like condoms" line, so cheap
the actors in AVP: some of them hadn't even SEEN any of the original films, and had no clue what an alien queen was or what a chestburster did ... i mean come on! if you're gonna BE in a film, at least do a little research before hand
i honestly don't see anything clever about AVP or AVP:R, they were both just recycles of the original films
sacrificial chamber scene: i'm not sure what's so brilliant about that, it's borrowed from other source material and it was a bit too transparent for me - and yes, at the end, when the elder shows up and picks up the body of scar, everyone in our group groaned because they saw the HYBRID coming, because they shows the facehugger creeping around when scar took off the bio to mark himself - but what was a let down about the predators in AVP was, that an elder didn't even THINK to just put on his bio and scan scar's dead body for JUST to be on the safe side? ripley said in ALIEN, "if we let it in, the ship could be infected, you know the quarantine procedure, 24 hours for decontamination" ... you're telling me that as advanced as the predators are, they didn't think of that?
the ending for AVP was a bit cartoony, it reminded me of CRITTERS or even the 1998 version of GODZILLA, which were movies i hardly take seriously.
as for the action scenes, some of it was decent, most of it not so good
thing is, aliens hunt as a pack, and predators, from what we've seen so far hunt alone, so if you're gonna have a "vs" film, a 1 on 1 fight is gonna look ridiculous, especially if you're gonna grab the alien by it's feet and swing it around in circles, that looked like something out of bugs bunny to me
AVP:R had the same issues, it had some of the worst acting i have seen in a mainstream film in a long time, the plot was paper thin and the story was just FLAWED! the only saving grace of that film was that it was ONE badass predator who went in alone and killed a crapload of aliens and whatever stood in his way [including humans, humans making friends with predators just doesn't sit right with me]
the whole thing with the hybrid impregnating already pregnant women was garbage, and so was the attempt at telling this back story of some guy named "dallas" [ha ha, yea very clever, we get it] was just a big freakin mistake, it added NOTHING to the film cause you honestly don't care who lives or dies except for wolf [if you're a predator fan]
AVP:R action scenes: they weren't "dynamic" like in AVP, they were basic and primal, which is what i liked better, cause to me the predators are more primal hunters than martial artists, like in the original films where the first 2 predators didn't do any flip moves or cartwheels, they approached their enemy slowly while scaring the crap out of them - but i guess paul anderson really thought the whole "bullet time predator" thing was a good idea which didn't sit well with some of us
going back to what i said earlier, i dislike both movies, like i love both species (which hand do you wanna cut off example), but i dislike AVP a little more than AVP:R just because it has a more respectable predator in the film, not these goons who are useless without their shoulder canons, a predator needs to be able to make do with whatever and still be able to kick ass
BUT, after everything is said and done, i have to say that i think it's damn near impossible to make a successful AVP film, not to mention please both fandoms - if one director makes it, they will always lean towards favoring one spices and make the other look bad, something like this needs TWO very amazing directors who understand the material and can collaborate on this evenly.
herzograven
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the net they wear is suppose to regulate their body temp from what i understand
herzograven
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Predators in the blu ray player now.
i've been watching Predator, Predator 2, Predators all damn month long waiting for the neca figure to arrive
thenammagazine
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YAY! Another AVP Good vs. Bad discussion. 
greygoose
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Predator was in the blu-ray player 2 hours ago.
i've been watching Predator, Predator 2, Predators all damn month long waiting for the neca figure to arrive
It's all good!
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I'd just like to say..
The Aliens are far more mysterious than the Predators.. We see the Preds in clans, hunting Humans, all that. We only see Aliens attacking people, no real backstory or anything...
I'd prefer the actors to not have known much about the creatures..would make things more realistic.
As for the ending being "cartoonish" and "predictable"... I don't believe that anyone saw that coming, SURE we expect it when the facehugger jumps on him, but from that time until the end we've seen so much more that it's kind of fading away, then the Queen kills him and we pretty much know there won't be a Predalien..
I don't think the fight scenes were "martial art"sy.. The Queen spear-head flip was a bit, but I don't have to be some japanese ninja to swing a dude around by his foot then tackle him, or jump from one ledge to another.. Well, I mean, I'd have to be pretty strong, but those weren't any super-duper flip/karate-chop moves. They were simple, but looked great.
Don't forget that these guys were Unblooded Predators.. Also.
I don't see any favoritism in AvP really, Aliens kill Predators, Predators kill Aliens. It seemed fair and unbiased to me.
Now let's discuss something much less stressful, like.. How many licks does it take to reach the center of a Tootsie Roll Pop?!
The Aliens are far more mysterious than the Predators.. We see the Preds in clans, hunting Humans, all that. We only see Aliens attacking people, no real backstory or anything...
I'd prefer the actors to not have known much about the creatures..would make things more realistic.
As for the ending being "cartoonish" and "predictable"... I don't believe that anyone saw that coming, SURE we expect it when the facehugger jumps on him, but from that time until the end we've seen so much more that it's kind of fading away, then the Queen kills him and we pretty much know there won't be a Predalien..
I don't think the fight scenes were "martial art"sy.. The Queen spear-head flip was a bit, but I don't have to be some japanese ninja to swing a dude around by his foot then tackle him, or jump from one ledge to another.. Well, I mean, I'd have to be pretty strong, but those weren't any super-duper flip/karate-chop moves. They were simple, but looked great.
Don't forget that these guys were Unblooded Predators.. Also.
I don't see any favoritism in AvP really, Aliens kill Predators, Predators kill Aliens. It seemed fair and unbiased to me.
Now let's discuss something much less stressful, like.. How many licks does it take to reach the center of a Tootsie Roll Pop?!
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Was watching the original Siskel & Ebert reviews of P1 & P2 earlier:
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py28S4jUrDw&NR=1"]YouTube - Siskel and Ebert: Predator[/ame]
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3FFisq9md0&feature=related"]YouTube - Siskel and Ebert: Predator 2[/ame]
thoughts, gentlemen?
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py28S4jUrDw&NR=1"]YouTube - Siskel and Ebert: Predator[/ame]
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3FFisq9md0&feature=related"]YouTube - Siskel and Ebert: Predator 2[/ame]
thoughts, gentlemen?
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They found the dialogue in P2 that insulting?... 
The first guy is a complete moron, also.
They're both good movies.
The first guy is a complete moron, also.
They're both good movies.
They found the dialogue in P2 that insulting?...
The first guy is a complete moron, also.
They're both good movies.
I read that Roger Ebert referred to the design of the Predator as racist (must've been referring to the dreads and such). IMO, making that kind of comment is what's really racist.
In any case, these are professional film critics and they're not interested in these kinds of movies. Where others would judge them for what they are, Ebert, Siskel, and Roepert focus more on what they aren't: the kind of thought-provoking or educated works that they would normally praise.
Anything they say, I usually take with a grain of salt. Especially if it's a cult film or one that not everyone will see.
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How much money are they making for stating their retarded opinions about movies..
I don't really get the whole "it was bad cuz we dun seen stuff likez it be4" thing.
If it's enjoyable, it's a good movie imo..
I don't really get the whole "it was bad cuz we dun seen stuff likez it be4" thing.
If it's enjoyable, it's a good movie imo..
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I'd just like to say..
The Aliens are far more mysterious than the Predators.. We see the Preds in clans, hunting Humans, all that. We only see Aliens attacking people, no real backstory or anything...
I'd prefer the actors to not have known much about the creatures..would make things more realistic.
As for the ending being "cartoonish" and "predictable"... I don't believe that anyone saw that coming, SURE we expect it when the facehugger jumps on him, but from that time until the end we've seen so much more that it's kind of fading away, then the Queen kills him and we pretty much know there won't be a Predalien..
I don't think the fight scenes were "martial art"sy.. The Queen spear-head flip was a bit, but I don't have to be some japanese ninja to swing a dude around by his foot then tackle him, or jump from one ledge to another.. Well, I mean, I'd have to be pretty strong, but those weren't any super-duper flip/karate-chop moves. They were simple, but looked great.
Don't forget that these guys were Unblooded Predators.. Also.
I don't see any favoritism in AvP really, Aliens kill Predators, Predators kill Aliens. It seemed fair and unbiased to me.
Now let's discuss something much less stressful, like.. How many licks does it take to reach the center of a Tootsie Roll Pop?!
Disagree. If you're talking about original origins, we don't know either. But the aliens function like a bug colony so there's really not that much "WOW" to discover that we haven't already seen. They don't have distinct personalities, all the drones are identical depending on the being they "burst" from. They're all impregnated into the host by a facehugger who's hatched by a queen whose host is selected by the drones. The predators, on the other hand, despite functioning in clans, are each unique amongst themselves, have unique armor and weapons, etc. And outside of the end of Predator 2, and brief scenes in AVP have yet to see how they function in clans.
You do know that the original Predator started life as a B-movie, right (albeit an awesome one)? Great creature design aside, it's your standard 80's action flick. Fun characters with extreme quotability, muscle-bound action from the main character, and that's about it. Despite the fact that P1 was a little more than just that, it still didn't lose sight of its roots. A movie like that will never be praised by critics like Ebert. In the end, it all depends on what you think, as they've often bad-mouthed movies that did well. The cult blood just doesn't flow through their veins, so they don't view films from that perspective.
And let's be honest, at face value (which is where they're coming from), they are kind of right. Too harsh in some areas, but the first Predator films are missing that extra layer of quality that can turn a B-movie into an A-movie.
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Meh, if it's not a black and white film about two gay farmers sitting naked in a cafe in France, drinking cappuccino and eating biscotti while smoking and discussing cheese, they'll give it a "thumbs down."
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I guess I mostly meant the original Alien. Eggmorphing, the Space Jockey relation, all that.. It did seem like the Alien had some sort of emotions carried down from Kane, also..
We don't know anything about how Predators act around each other in clans, or how they mate, etc.. But that doesn't seem so "mysterious" to me, ya know? Difficult to explain..
The Aliens and the stuff they do (the life-cycle, design, the way they move, the hive wall stuff, etc) is more unique, which makes it more mysterious..
I mean.. Cutting off heads and keeping the skulls as trophies, the tribal stuff.. It's all familiar. The Aliens are just so different from anything we've ever seen that they come across as more mysterious (I guess to me, atleast).
Idunno, that's just how I've always thought.
@Blade The critics analyze and pick apart every little detail and come to the conclusion that it's HORRIBLE, or whatever. That's just ridiculous. People aren't going to be doing that at the theater..
When I see a movie, I either leave happy, or disappointed. I don't try to pick everything apart so that I can THEN decide whether it was good or bad..
And Predator wasn't just your average "pew! pew! rawr! run! blood! monster!" type of movie.. It was so much more. It was several steps above that classic, summer, horror movie.
well predator is about a tribal hunter
but Alien is kind of a metaphor for Rape, even the writer said it
https://www.cracked.com/article_18932_alien-film-franchise-based-entirely-rape.html
but Alien is kind of a metaphor for Rape, even the writer said it
https://www.cracked.com/article_18932_alien-film-franchise-based-entirely-rape.html
Siskel and Ebert, and now Ebert and Roper, have always bashed films that don't intellectually stimulate their well educated minds, and have always insulted the fans of those movies. I won't post the feelings I had when Siskel died, and when Ebert had severe medical problems a few years back, because I'm a fan of those films and was majorly insulted by their comments, and mine are pretty classless as well.
Anyway, I never take their reviews of movies seriously. The vast majority of theatrical releases are targeted at the people they insult, not the snotty prudes they praise, so I've always believed there should be a movie review team full of red-necks, trailer park trash, Wal Mart regular customers, inner city residents, gang-bangers and what-not. Then, the targeted majority of film fans would get an accurate review. I'd call it "Real Reviews by Real People".
I hope I didn't insult anyone on here
Anyway, I never take their reviews of movies seriously. The vast majority of theatrical releases are targeted at the people they insult, not the snotty prudes they praise, so I've always believed there should be a movie review team full of red-necks, trailer park trash, Wal Mart regular customers, inner city residents, gang-bangers and what-not. Then, the targeted majority of film fans would get an accurate review. I'd call it "Real Reviews by Real People".
I hope I didn't insult anyone on here
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