The PREDATOR Appreciation Thread

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

What the hell do you mean? He wasn't just a "little asian guy with a sword", he was a freaken Yakusa, who had trained as a Samurai or whatever. And "skinny brody"? First of all, he wasn't skinny. He had been training for weeks, he built up his body. Just because he's not as big as Arnold doesn't mean he's some small, skinny wimp. P2 is my favorite Predator everything. Brody's character was 100x as deadly as Glover's. Not saying Harrigan wasn't a complete badass who kicked tons of ass, though.
Adrien was probably more built up in Predators then Danny was in P2.

It doesn't matter what feeling YOU had when you watched the Alien franchise. FACT: The majority of the movies took place in small, dark, claustrophobic spaces.

Now Topher.
I didn't say it was the only excuse you were giving, I said it was "an" excuse. See, with the Reese Witherspoon thing, she would have been playing a badass assasin character. TOPHER fit his role perfectly. A small, nerdy, pathetic doctor. That's pretty much who he was on That 70's Show. Minus the doctor part.
And what is this Spiderman 3 crap you keep talking about? I went through a small Spiderman phase this past Winter, and read that Spiderman 3 was doomed from the start because whoever owned the franchise or whatever was forcing the director to put Venom in it, change a ton of stuff, etc. Idunno if that's true or not, but yeah.
I was never a HUGE Spiderman fan, or even an average Spiderman fan, but I didn't like the Venom design at all. Didn't really like Topher's character, but I thought Topher himself did fine.

As for them taking everything from Predator, that's just not true. I knew you were going to say something about that soon. Predators created a whole new story, world, atmosphere, creatures, characters, etc. AND brought what we've all come to know and love from the original. As for the music thing, I hear Predator music in Alien (I think it's at the end when the Alien tail-grabs the engine of the Narcissus), I hear Predator music in Aliens... It's not intentional, but it just sounds familiar. We now have 9 movies, there's going to be some little note somewhere that sounds familiar.

One problem I had before the movie came out, was the "rip off the original" thing. I didn't want that to happen. I didn't want them to copy the original, and they DIDN'T. They didn't put homeages of the original in the movie because they were morons and couldn't come up with their own stuff, they did it because there hasn't been a Predator movie in TWENTY years and they wanted to refresh everyone's minds. Make something completely new, but bring back the traditional feelings.
RR and all them have said a lot about that in the several random video interviews that were up last summer.

They DID come up with their own music, and it was ____ing amazing. I can't link it because my comp is screwed up atm, but Youtube "Edwin and Isabelle captured".
This was further away from Predator, than Predator 2 was. It was a completely different thing. Nother planet, different type of characters. P2 was just P1 in L.A. basically.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

I still wish Predator 3 had been made in the early 90's.

Wouldn't it have had King Predators and four-armed Predators?

 

[RagingBull]

I think Predators would of been better if Rodriguez directed the film his self, I know he scripted it but years ago when I think he was still in Uni or at least still learning his trade. I really like Rodriguez as a director, hopefully he'll direct the next film but personally I did enjoy the film, yeah it had it's flaws but it still had enough action, dialogue & cool Preds for me to enjoy it, probably my 2nd favourite Pred film after the original

 

[RagingBull]

Wouldn't it have had King Predators and four-armed Predators?

Four armed Preds, really??
That would be cool, we'd probably have HT Figures of them in our Detolfs now if it had happened.

 

[CelticPredator]

well l won't argue. we went back and forth many times when the movie first came out. l only watched it once and don't remeber much off the top of my head. l thought all the characters were bad.

l mean Topher Grace, you got to admit that was a casting screw up, he screwed Venom and now this. and of course the chick with the nice ass had to live, tipical.

we all have our opinions. l personally hated it.

my opinion. this movie pissed on the leg of the original. AND IT OFFENDED ME.

Well, I guess to me....Predator 2 already pissed on the leg of the original. I enjoy it...but it's just a remake of Predator with a new location.

So was Predators....why people expect originality from a Predator tale is beyond me.

I havent seen ONE original Predator story. Not in books, comics, games, or movies.

It's always the same...

Predator comes to X...a big tough human stands up to it...Predator gets cocky...Human wins. The end.

 

[jonny88]

Well, I guess to me....Predator 2 already pissed on the leg of the original.

what are you talking about. predator 2 had alot less to do with the first one then Predators did. predator 2 had nothing to do with P1, except for the scene where Gary Busey talked about the events in the first, that was it.

 

[CelticPredator]

Uh....it was the same story?

Predators had just as much of a connection as P2 did...so i'm not sure what you're talking about.

Predator 2 Connection to Predator 1 = Gary Busy talking about Dutch and ____.

Predators Connection to Predator 1 = Izzy talking about Dutch and ____.



Are you talking about the needless homages? That's only because filmmakers think fans like that.

Predator 2 had ____ like that too. Not as much...but it had it.

 

[jonny88]

Uh....it was the same story?

Predators had just as much of a connection as P2 did...so i'm not sure what you're talking about.

Predator 2 Connection to Predator 1 = Gary Busy talking about Dutch and ____.

Predators Connection to Predator 1 = Izzy talking about Dutch and ____.



Are you talking about the needless homages? That's only because filmmakers think fans like that.

Predator 2 had ____ like that too. Not as much...but it had it.

P2 is not the same story as P1. it is the same scenario. there is a difference. different story same scenerio.

P2 conection to P1= Gary Busey talking about Dutch.

Predators connection to P1= Izzy talking about Dutch, stealing the original theme music. also stealing the original P1 that was tied up.

so P2 was more original then Predators. just so you know.

 

[nothingface35]

i can't tell what you're basing that on, but i'm gonna guess you haven't read many good comics. i'll go a step further and guess you haven't read many mediocre comics either. the problem with the AVP comics is related to what's fundamentally wrong with the movies - it's a franchise crossover. all the comics did was take elements from the Alien and Predator movies and smoosh them together. how hard is that? it was just a money grab. on top of that, the plot was contrived schlock and the characters were pretty lame and useless, even for older Dark Horse stuff. everything centered around the writer's inability to cram two franchises into one.

and saying the movie sucked because it sucked on purpose is a lame excuse.

if you really liked AVP, fine. but it's still terrible and i don't see any evidence to the contrary.

No need to get personal man and stop being a jerk. I have dozens of comic boxes that contain all sorts of awesome comics. You don't know me so don't pretend to.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

^ No, it wasn't. Predators taking place on an Alien planet alone destroys the whole P2 being more original thing.

They didn't steal music. It's a Predator movie, if it were any other movie they'd be "stealing" the music.

Classic was NOT the same Predator as the first. That design, the Classic design, has been used countless times. P1, P2, comics, books, games, posters.. If they had tied up a Predator that looked exactly like P2, it wouldn't have made any sense.

Like I've said, we haven't seen a Predator movie in 20 years. Predators was bringing back everything from the original, YET STILL creating a whole new wonderful story and atmosphere.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

Four armed Preds, really??
That would be cool, we'd probably have HT Figures of them in our Detolfs now if it had happened.

Yeah.. That would have been beyond disastrous.

It'd look pretty cool though.

 

[nothingface35]

^ No, it wasn't. Predators taking place on an Alien planet alone destroys the whole P2 being more original thing.

They didn't steal music. It's a Predator movie, if it were any other movie they'd be "stealing" the music.

Classic was NOT the same Predator as the first. That design, the Classic design, has been used countless times. P1, P2, comics, books, games, posters.. If they had tied up a Predator that looked exactly like P2, it wouldn't have made any sense.

Like I've said, we haven't seen a Predator movie in 20 years. Predators was bringing back everything from the original, YET STILL creating a whole new wonderful story and atmosphere.

You'll never change their minds man. They're just a bunch of movie snobs that can't stop slurping the original. We get it...nothing will ever be better than the original! So, does that mean we should just never have another movie and kill the franchise?

 

[jonny88]

You'll never change their minds man. They're just a bunch of movie snobs that can't stop slurping the original. We get it...nothing will ever be better than the original! So, does that mean we should just never have another movie and kill the franchise?

you don't understand what l am talking about. i'm not saying l am expecting to see a new pred movie that is better then the original. actually l prefer P2 over P1. l am just saying l want a predator movie that doesnt hold the hand of another, Predators held the hand of the first. that is what l didn't like. l don't want to hear the same music on a pred movie that was in a previous predator movie. each one should be unique in it's own way.

when l was watching Predators and l hear the P1 music for most of the movie, and hear some P2 music, it just reminds me of how much better those movies were then the one l am watching. sorry but good film making shouldn't make the viewer think that. they should of came up with their own theme music and come up with something completely new. l don't want to be reminded of other preds movies over and over while watching the new one. the music did that and ruined it for me. just couldn't get into it when l keep getting reminded of the much better predator movies. this is my beef with Predators, we shouldn't of been reminded of a previous pred movie made 24 years ago. this should of been it's own movie. a reboot shouldn't have previous movies poured into it. this is what l hated about Predators more then anything, and you know what, if this stuff wasn't in Predators, l would of liked it much more.

 

[nothingface35]

you don't understand what l am talking about. i'm not saying l am expecting to see a new pred movie that is better then the original. actually l prefer P2 over P1. l am just saying l want a predator movie that doesnt hold the hand of another, Predators held the hand of the first. that is what l didn't like. l don't want to hear the same music on a pred movie that was in a previous predator movie. each one should be unique in it's own way.

when l was watching Predators and l hear the P1 music for most of the movie, and hear some P2 music, it just reminds me of how much better those movies were then the one l am watching. sorry but good film making shouldn't make the viewer think that. they should of came up with their own theme music and come up with something completely new. l don't want to be reminded of other preds movies over and over while watching the new one. the music did that and ruined it for me. just couldn't get into it when l keep getting reminded of the much better predator movies. this is my beef with Predators, we shouldn't of been reminded of a previous pred movie made 24 years ago. this should of been it's own movie. a reboot shouldn't have previous movies poured into it. this is what l hated about Predators more then anything, and you know what, if this stuff wasn't in Predators, l would of liked it much more.

What is wrong with having the same music? It's a series!! Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Harry Potter, Lethal Weapon, and Die hard all had the same music. I like having a Predator theme and I wish the Alien franchise had the same consistency with their music.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

Fear. Go to youtube. Type in "Isabelle and Edwin captured" and click on the first..or maybe it's the second video. Just do it.

With some franchises, you can't cancel out the music from the first. Like Star Wars, Predator, Terminator, Alien, LotR (although Alien and LotR are the lesser).

Just imagine how devastating it would have been if we never got that wonderous, mystical, destiny-filled Binary Sunset scene music in Star Wars AGAIN...

Oh, and like nothingface said, Harry Potter. That's it's thing, ya know? Just like the music in Predator, it's a part of the franchise.

 

[nothingface35]

Fear. Go to youtube. Type in "Isabelle and Edwin captured" and click on the first..or maybe it's the second video. Just do it.

With some franchises, you can't cancel out the music from the first. Like Star Wars, Predator, Terminator, Alien, LotR (although Alien and LotR are the lesser).

Just imagine how devastating it would have been if we never got that wonderous, mystical, destiny-filled Binary Sunset scene music in Star Wars AGAIN...

Oh, and like nothingface said, Harry Potter. That's it's thing, ya know? Just like the music in Predator, it's a part of the franchise.

I'm glad you brought up Terminator because 3 and 4 never had that 'Terminator' feeling since they didn't really use the same music. Part 3 could only use it in the end credits and I can't really remember how much Part 4 used it....if at all...since that movie sucked regardless. The music is almost the soul of the movie.

 

[jonny88]

Fear. Go to youtube. Type in "Isabelle and Edwin captured" and click on the first..or maybe it's the second video. Just do it.

With some franchises, you can't cancel out the music from the first. Like Star Wars, Predator, Terminator, Alien, LotR (although Alien and LotR are the lesser).

Just imagine how devastating it would have been if we never got that wonderous, mystical, destiny-filled Binary Sunset scene music in Star Wars AGAIN...

Oh, and like nothingface said, Harry Potter. That's it's thing, ya know? Just like the music in Predator, it's a part of the franchise.

you guys are confusing seperate movies with trilogies. predator movies is not a trilogy. LOTR, Star Wars and Terminator are trilogies. they take place back to back in one big story. so they should have the same theme music. predator movies are different. P1 and P2 had different music. which was a good thing, there is no need for the same music. because it's not all on story. they are seperate movies, seperate story lines and seperate dates in time.

l just watched Predators and everytime l heard the P1 music it pissed me off, because l couldn't then get into what was happening. l have seen P1 so many times l know the exact scene that is happening based on the music. so l am watching Predators and l hear that music and l dont see what is happening in Predators anymore. l have flashbacks of the scenes from P1 that was happening at the time that muxic was playing, so it kind of blinds me to what is going on in the scene in Predator. l can't watch Predators because l end up seeing P1 in my head. maybe it's just me that happens too, but haven't experienced that watching a film before.

anyway l also didn't like any of the characters. they were all killers and bad people so why should l care for them. unlike P1 and 2, they had very likeable characters. the convict in Predators, when he says if he gets back home he will do so much coke and rape so many _____es. dont tell me l am supposed to hope he lives, l am hoping a pred tears his spine out, same with the rest of the cast for the most part. they just aren't likeabl because they are bad people. that's why they are on that planet. so l just don't really care for whats going on.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

you guys are confusing seperate movies with trilogies. predator movies is not a trilogy. LOTR, Star Wars and Terminator are trilogies. they take place back to back in one big story. so they should have the same theme music. predator movies are different. P1 and P2 had different music. which was a good thing, there is no need for the same music. because it's not all on story. they are seperate movies, seperate story lines and seperate dates in time.

l just watched Predators and everytime l heard the P1 music it pissed me off, because l couldn't then get into what was happening. l have seen P1 so many times l know the exact scene that is happening based on the music. so l am watching Predators and l hear that music and l dont see what is happening in Predators anymore. l have flashbacks of the scenes from P1 that was happening at the time that muxic was playing, so it kind of blinds me to what is going on in the scene in Predator. l can't watch Predators because l end up seeing P1 in my head. maybe it's just me that happens too, but haven't experienced that watching a film before.

anyway l also didn't like any of the characters. they were all killers and bad people so why should l care for them. unlike P1 and 2, they had very likeable characters. the convict in Predators, when he says if he gets back home he will do so much coke and rape so many _____es. dont tell me l am supposed to hope he lives, l am hoping a pred tears his spine out, same with the rest of the cast for the most part. they just aren't likeabl because they are bad people. that's why they are on that planet. so l just don't really care for whats going on.

I understand that the Predator movies aren't a series, but It's no different imo. The music in Predator was so unique and interesting. It's a part of the Predator.

As for the characters, they had more depth than Danny and Leona did in P2.. Walton's character is my personal favorite from Predators. We learned more about them then we did Danny and Leona in P2, we got to know them better. Except for Cuchillo, though. And maybe Hanzo.

They weren't all necessarily "bad"... Most of them were kind of trapped in their minds. Mombassa, Isabelle, Royce, Nikolai.. They all kinda didn't want to be the way they were. Hanzo also, I guess. But as his biography thingy said, he was born 500 years too late or whatever. He belonged in a different time.. An ancient time filled with lore, adventure and destiny..
The movie was like a redemption for them. Even Stans.. Remember when he's slicing up the "space-______" and tells them to run or whatever..
Stans and Edwin were just completely insane though. Cuchillo knew he was a bad person, but didn't seem to care.

 

[jonny88]

I understand that the Predator movies aren't a series, but It's no different imo. The music in Predator was so unique and interesting. It's a part of the Predator.

As for the characters, they had more depth than Danny and Leona did in P2.

l just think each predator movie should have it's own theme, the originsl P1 music really bothered me in this. the song in the credits of Predators just made me shake my head, since again that was the song in the orignal. l also saw no character deveopment in anyone. l mean we only learned of Royces and Izzys names in the last minute of the movie. that's not good character development.

 

[greygoose]

Predators Part II will be better. They maybe played it too safe with Predators. Now the scenario has been set up they don't have to spend an hour setting up the films premise. All they have to worry about is character development and hopefully they can fit in more Predator action around that.