The PREDATOR Appreciation Thread

[prefused]

Most of the story in AvP was safe, nothing that could cancel out the other movies.. The Queen was bigger. They gave a reason for that. The Alien designs were different. They've been different in every movie.
The ancient, pyramid-building backstory went way too far, but it didn't ruin anything..

i'd say the big one was xenos on earth. for thousands of years. the whole point of the Alien saga was Ripley's struggle to keep them away from earth. AVP ____ed that up big time. it turned one of the biggest scifi franchises with a history of legendary directors into a PG13 B movie money-grab to sell toys and left it in the hands of the ******* who directed Mortal Kombat.

and the alien designs weren't different. they were the same ones from Resurrection, painted black. the Resurrection aliens looked the way they did because of genetic crossing with Ripley's dna. the fx crew reused them for budgetary reasons.

____ing terrible movie. also, predator in a ____ing cape.

 

[greygoose]

also, predator in a ____ing cape.

That's what you call a real Super Predator.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

They were different, but not by much. Legs, mouth, etc..

I agree with the Aliens roaming all over that area thousands of years ago thing.. I didn't like that, or the Predators being worshipped as Gods idea. But it's better than having an infestation in Colorado in modern time......................

It does have flaws, but it is not a horrible movie.
I would have loved it to be in space, in the future, more subtle.. Or even far in the past.. But what we got is not nearly as bad as what people make it out to be.

When I think of the story, I don't think of the backstory. I think of the crew going down to the Pyramid, that small isolated event. That, I liked. I completely agree with the whole Aliens not being introduced until the future idea, but I like thinking of there being small incidents involving the Aliens and us before Ripley's time.

The backstory was stupid, well mostly. It was just all out there. It should have been far more subtle/mysterious...

 

[prefused]

They were different, but not by much. Legs, mouth, etc..

I agree with the Aliens roaming all over that area thousands of years ago thing.. I didn't like that, or the Predators being worshipped as Gods idea. But it's better than having an infestation in Colorado in modern time......................

It does have flaws, but it is not a horrible movie.
I would have loved it to be in space, in the future, more subtle.. Or even far in the past.. But what we got is not nearly as bad as what people make it out to be.

When I think of the story, I don't think of the backstory. I think of the crew going down to the Pyramid, that small isolated event. That, I liked. I completely agree with the whole Aliens not being introduced until the future idea, but I like thinking of there being small incidents involving the Aliens and us before Ripley's time.

The backstory was stupid, well mostly. It was just all out there. It should have been far more subtle/mysterious...

i'm seeing a lot of cherry-picking and splitting hairs here. i could pick out little things i like in almost every terrible movie i've seen, but it's still a terrible movie. none of that changes what AVP did to the franchise and that's why Predators and the new Alien sequel completely ignore it. AVP was a ____ing joke and i'm glad Fox gave up on making any more cheap-ass crossover movies. the comics were bad enough, i dunno why anybody thought they'd ever make a watchable movie out of them.

 

[nothingface35]

i'm seeing a lot of cherry-picking and splitting hairs here. i could pick out little things i like in almost every terrible movie i've seen, but it's still a terrible movie. none of that changes what AVP did to the franchise and that's why Predators and the new Alien sequel completely ignore it. AVP was a ____ing joke and i'm glad Fox gave up on making any more cheap-ass crossover movies. the comics were bad enough, i dunno why anybody thought they'd ever make a watchable movie out of them.

The comics were awesome and if FOX took a little more care with the source material it would have been an epic summer movie. As it was...it was a B Monster Movie Mash-Up...which I thoroughly enjoyed for what it was. I'm 34 years old and bought all of the original comics while in middle school and never thought that there'd ever be a movie made of it. Of course it's not as good as Alien, Aliens, or Predator because it wasn't meant to be.

 

[prefused]

i can't tell what you're basing that on, but i'm gonna guess you haven't read many good comics. i'll go a step further and guess you haven't read many mediocre comics either. the problem with the AVP comics is related to what's fundamentally wrong with the movies - it's a franchise crossover. all the comics did was take elements from the Alien and Predator movies and smoosh them together. how hard is that? it was just a money grab. on top of that, the plot was contrived schlock and the characters were pretty lame and useless, even for older Dark Horse stuff. everything centered around the writer's inability to cram two franchises into one.

and saying the movie sucked because it sucked on purpose is a lame excuse.

if you really liked AVP, fine. but it's still terrible and i don't see any evidence to the contrary.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

i'm seeing a lot of cherry-picking and splitting hairs here. i could pick out little things i like in almost every terrible movie i've seen, but it's still a terrible movie. none of that changes what AVP did to the franchise and that's why Predators and the new Alien sequel completely ignore it. AVP was a ____ing joke and i'm glad Fox gave up on making any more cheap-ass crossover movies. the comics were bad enough, i dunno why anybody thought they'd ever make a watchable movie out of them.

I'm not trying to find little things I liked about the movie, if that's what you mean.. I love the majority of it. In every movie there's going to be those little annoying things that, well, annoy you.
I hate how the Alien looks like he's trying to hug Dallas in Alien. I hate how slow and retarded the Predator's back-hand, Arnold-attack thing was in Predator. But those movies weren't anywhere near horrible. Yes, AvP had more facepalm moments, but the movie was still good.

You're not really giving any BIG-A$$ HARDCORE evidence that AvP was... Terrible, horrible, crap, garbage, humiliating, a disgrace, pile of ____, etc.. It was never going to be up with Alien, Predator, and Aliens, but it just wasn't as bad as what you're saying.

Okay, the comics. WHAT? You really think that about the comics?........
AvP: Prey, War, and.. I think it's Hunter's Planet?
You need to read them again. You need to open your mind to the Predator and Alien universe.
The comics/books were incredible.. The whole atmosphere was just awesome. I don't know what you mean about the characters, the only real main character was Machiko, (unless we're including the Predators, in which case, they were all very unique and interesting). But that's all the stories really needed...

 

[jonny88]

Wait, you hated it because Topher Grace wasn't manly enough, and because Isabelle didn't die? What?
Edwin wasn't supposed to be some big macho military guy with hundreds of weapons..

Most of the other things you stated are false.. It's like you didn't even see the movie.

lol. sorry you don't put that moron Topher in a movie like this.

anyway l haven't seen this movie in more then a year. if you want l will rewatch it, come back here and tear it apart piece by piece with more accurate reasons.

I WILL BE BACK.

 

[greygoose]

Watching Adrien Brody stab Topher Grace was a welcome sight.

 

[jonny88]

the thing with AVP is they should not take place on eath, end of story. if your going to take the two franchises do like the sweet Dark Horse comic books and make it in the future on a different planet.

the reason AVP sucked was because it was made stricly as a money grap. the previous aliens had many graphic gory moments, same with the two predator movies. then this crap AVP comes out. there is zero gore and not even swearing. in AVP the guy who played Bishop, when he got stabbed by the predator there was zero blood. then when the pred pulled the blades out of him there wasn't even any blood on the blades. sorry but that is cheezy and gay. that is the essence of the whole movie. when that guy calls the alien "an ugly son of a _____" was pathetic. he should of said "you ugly mother ____er" referenceng the classic predator lines. but no this movie was made for kids so that would be fowl language. most of the time when someone died they never even showed it, again stupid. the originals you saw how the person died and it was always brutal.

the story was stupid. like said above. predators being gods and they come down to the pyramids to fight aliens is just stupid. what are the aliens doing there. they would be killing people all over the place. that was the reason Ripley was fighting the aliens because she knew if they got to earth they would kill everyone. not only that, but aliens fighting preds in a pyramid is just stupid. l can't stand movies that take place in small dark places the whole time.

the predators had no character development, the characters are all boring, bad PG action in a series that was rated R. horrible suit actors playing the preds.

why was the guy who played Bishop in this. l heard somewhere this movie could of been a prequal to the first alien movie. taking place way before before he died and was made into a robot, who know it's all stupid.

in the end they took two rated R frnachises mashed them together with bad script, bad writing, bad actors, bad story, bad action, and made it PG. they said lets sit back and count the money. and to my disbelief this crap actually made money, but of course it did, you can make a garbage movie and there will always be people ou there who will love it and thus it will make money.

l won't even get started on AVP-R. well maybe l will. it's more of a slasher film starring preds and aliens killing kids. if you though AVP was bad then see this, forget about it.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

lol. sorry you don't put that moron Topher in a movie like this.

anyway l haven't seen this movie in more then a year. if you want l will rewatch it, come back here and tear it apart piece by piece with more accurate reasons.

I WILL BE BACK.

.... Why is Topher Grace a moron? Why don't you put him in this type of movie? We should have got Arnold, or Jesse Ventura to play the small, strange, twitchy, smart-alec doctor, right?
I'm one of the biggest ____ing Predator fans on the god damn planet and I thought Topher did great.
That's just ridiculous to use "Topher is a moron, har har" as an excuse as to why the movie was, as you say, a disgrace.

The movie wasn't bad at all.. I don't know why you choose to hate it.
Go ahead, "tear it apart". There wasn't anything wrong with it, so I couldn't really care less...
It's like you have this obsessive need to complain, and hate without reason to.


Just read part of your AvP post.. and Really?

You say it's bad because there was no cussing. No big bloody death scenes. "I can't stand movies that take place in small dark places" DID YOU NOT WATCH THE WHOLE ALIEN FRANCHISE?

Wow, everything else you say is just ridiculous... Do you not remember the end of Alien 3? There's your answer to the whole Bishop thing.
You can honestly say the action was bad? The characters were bad? The actors were bad?

So much BS....

 

[greygoose]

It wasn't Tophers fault he was cast. He was fine for the role. At the end of the day it was the script writers fault for writing his character into the film.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

it wasn't tophers fault he was cast. He was fine for the role. At the end of the day it was the script writers fault for writing his character into the film.

what was wrong with his character?

 

[greygoose]

what was wrong with his character?

Nothing wrong with his character. I thought he was good in the role. It was just at the end of the film when his dark side was revealed during the Predator fight. It kept switching between the two. The film was set up to showcase the Predator war. I'd rather have watched a solid 10 mins of Predators fighting then Edwin chatting to Isabelle.

 

[jonny88]

.... Why is Topher Grace a moron? Why don't you put him in this type of movie? We should have got Arnold, or Jesse Ventura to play the small, strange, twitchy, smart-alec doctor, right?
I'm one of the biggest ____ing Predator fans on the god damn planet and I thought Topher did great.
That's just ridiculous to use "Topher is a moron, har har" as an excuse as to why the movie was, as you say, a disgrace.

The movie wasn't bad at all.. I don't know why you choose to hate it.
Go ahead, "tear it apart". There wasn't anything wrong with it, so I couldn't really care less...
It's like you have this obsessive need to complain, and hate without reason to.


Just read part of your AvP post.. and Really?

You say it's bad because there was no cussing. No big bloody death scenes. "I can't stand movies that take place in small dark places" DID YOU NOT WATCH THE WHOLE ALIEN FRANCHISE?

Wow, everything else you say is just ridiculous... Do you not remember the end of Alien 3? There's your answer to the whole Bishop thing.
You can honestly say the action was bad? The characters were bad? The actors were bad?

So much BS....

not really man. l never had a feeling of the closed dark places in the aliens movies. the pyramid was close quarters and dark. the alien films were not like that. me saying Topher is a moron is accurate, many will agree. he ruined Spiderman 3 and this. i'm not saying that is the only reason just one of many. if this movie was really good l wouldn't hate it just because he was in it. it's just a casting screw up, it just took the realism of it out for me. they should of cast Reese witherspoon to play the chick while they were at it. she is a good actor, so your saying she would of been good for this if she did a good job. no it doesn't matter how good they did they just don't work in movies like this.

lots of people hate on P2 because the pred gets killed by what they call " an old black guy". well that old black was guy was built, had great character development and was a bad ass. so how can anyone who thinks that like Predators. a pred gets killed by a little asain guy with a sword, a pred get killed by skinny Brody, now that is something to complain more about then P2.

you say you are a huge pred fan, well so am l. that is why l hate seeing this Crap that could be SO MUCH BETTER then what we are seeing. the AVP stuff could of been incredible, but no you get a toned down version for kids.

l will admit Predators is way better then the AVP crap. but to me it still ____s on the original and that is one of the big reasons why l dislike it and find it a disgrace. if the people who made Predators were so great and so smart then they wouldn't of needed to hold the hand of the original predator. the took music from predaror 1 and 2. l though l even heard a little alien theme creepy sound a couple of times, and referencing the original. this should of been a clean and fresh reboot. but no they don't have the smarts to do that, they just ripped of the original. that is the reason this movie rubbs me the wrong way. if they would of came up with their own theme music, a better story line and make things more refreshed l would of liked it alot more. l don;t want to go back to the original, l want this to be it's own movie.

in the end l didn't like it for the most part because it is not even close to a new refreshed version of predators. l want to see something completely new. and this sure wasnt it.

you like it. l don't. this could of been much more then it was,

 

[greygoose]

Nothing will ever beat the cult status Predator and Predator 2 have gained over the years. Making a Predator film 24 years after the original is a tough task, you're pretty much onto a losing streak straight away.

 

[jonny88]

Nothing will ever beat the cult status Predator and Predator 2 have gained over the years. Making a Predator film 24 years after the original is a tough task, you're pretty much onto a losing streak straight away.

l dont think so. though it would be impossible for pred fans to say "this 2011 pred film is better then the original" would be impossible it can come close. l could come up with much better story and dialoge. l want to see something completely different. in a whole new direction. either in the future on different planets with preds, l thought l had a good idea which l think would be cool is a pred film taking place in WW2. in P2 Gary Busey's character said "preds are drawen to heat and conflict, Cambodia, Iwa Jima", and such. l think it would be cool to see a group of marine Raiders going to Iwa Jima before the invasion and go missing. then during the battle marines and Japanese are dying in strange ways, then after the battle marins are still dying, then like a showdown, or somethinig, it's like the original but in a whole new way, it could be done. ideas like this are what should be thrown around a table when decideing what to do for a future pred movie.

 

[greygoose]

l dont think so. though it would be impossible for pred fans to say "this 2011 pred film is better then the original" would be impossible it can come close. l could come up with much better story and dialoge. l want to see something completely different. in a whole new direction. either in the future on different planets with preds, l thought l had a good idea which l think would be cool is a pred film taking place in WW2. in P2 Gary Busey's character said "preds are drawen to heat and conflict, Cambodia, Iwa Jima", and such. l think it would be cool to see a group of marine Raiders going to Iwa Jima before the invasion and go missing. then during the battle marines and Japanese are dying in strange ways, then after the battle marins are still dying, then like a showdown, or somethinig, it's like the original but in a whole new way, it could be done. ideas like this are what should be thrown around a table when decideing what to do for a future pred movie.

Yeah, there's so many good stories/ locations that could be used in a Predator film. However Robert Rodriguez has a grip on the franchise currently so I think the hunting planet and super Preds are here to stay.

 

[jonny88]

Yeah, there's so many good stories/ locations that could be used in a Predator film. However Robert Rodriguez has a grip on the franchise currently so I think the hunting planet and super Preds are here to stay.

unfortunately.

 

[greygoose]

unfortunately.

I still wish Predator 3 had been made in the early 90's.