The Sideshow Freaks Fitness Thread

[Phil Sierra]

And they are juice monkeys.

Well that's true but the training techniques were fantastic.

 

[The Ringer]

And they are juice monkeys.

What are juice?

 

[Phil Sierra]

What are juice?

It's an old slang term for steroids. For instance if you see a huge muscular guy who obviously doesn't look natural, people will say "oh that guy is juicing big time" or "no way is he natural, he's definitely on the juice".

 

[Dark Passenger]

Being on juice doesn't matter. You still need to work hard and eat right unless your some crazy genetic freak (cough Phil Heath) .

Anyway I met Dorian on a few occassions. I went to his Blood and Guts seminar at Apollon Gym. Got my DVDs and books signed by him. Check out a week in the dungeon with Mark Dugdale too.

 

[Skiman]

[ame]https://youtu.be/5ymM3e8K2Qc[/ame]

synthol

Ski

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

synthol

Ski

I was waiting on one of his balloons to pop

 

[Skiman]

I was waiting on one of his balloons to pop

Same here, ok here's useful video.

[ame]https://youtu.be/vjsf1fwkEJA[/ame]

Ski

 

[jimmie_dimmick]

Same here, ok here's useful video.

https://youtu.be/vjsf1fwkEJA

Ski

All these videos Ski posts and I already do everything Vic stresses and talks about.

My problem: body fat!!

I'm an ectomorph who gains belly and tit fat like its cool! Everyone says I have a "swimmers body type" but I'm not as lean as one.

Ski - body fat removal tips...got any?

 

[Skiman]

All these videos Ski posts and I already do everything Vic stresses and talks about.

My problem: body fat!!

I'm an ectomorph who gains belly and tit fat like its cool! Everyone says I have a "swimmers body type" but I'm not as lean as one.

Ski - body fat removal tips...got any?

Well for BF%, it's all about calories vs in and out, and how much you burn. First, what are eating... you might even take a step back from complex carbohydrates, but only you really know how your body reacts to certain foods TBH, since everyone is different?

but... it's definitely dieting along with how much you are burning during a everyday cycle. Also a person that is more muscle bound will be able to burn at a higher rate.

Ski

 

[jimmie_dimmick]

Here are my meals. Eating every 2 hours starting at 5:30AM

Bfast - egg whites
Meal 2 - protein shake and an apple
Meal 3 - 2.5oz chicken breast, 1 cup broccoli and 1/4 cup brown rice with a dash of siracha sauce
Meal 4 - same as 3
Meal 5 - see above
Meal 6 - same as 3 but no rice
Meal 7 - small detour protein bar prior to gym
Post workout shake
Meal 8 - 2.5 oz chicken salad with light balsamic dressing as spinach

30-45 minutes of cardio every other week (no time on weeks I have my daughter)

People I talk to say it sounds like I'm eating, lifting and doing cardio right, but I can't seem to kick the man-****s, love handles and gut. FML!

 

[Skiman]

Here are my meals. Eating every 2 hours starting at 5:30AM

Bfast - egg whites
Meal 2 - protein shake and an apple
Meal 3 - 2.5oz chicken breast, 1 cup broccoli and 1/4 cup brown rice with a dash of siracha sauce
Meal 4 - same as 3
Meal 5 - see above
Meal 6 - same as 3 but no rice
Meal 7 - small detour protein bar prior to gym
Post workout shake
Meal 8 - 2.5 oz chicken salad with light balsamic dressing as spinach

30-45 minutes of cardio every other week (no time on weeks I have my daughter)

People I talk to say it sounds like I'm eating, lifting and doing cardio right, but I can't seem to kick the man-****s, love handles and gut. FML!

30-45 minutes of cardio is every other week, is that everyday on the other weeks?

I know you said your lifting is fast pace, is it heavy, light?

Water intake?

Ski

 

[jimmie_dimmick]

30-45 minutes of cardio is every other week, is that everyday on the other weeks?

I know you said your lifting is fast pace, is it heavy, light?

Water intake?

Ski

Yes, every day I lift. 5 days. Typically I hit the stairs. Some days I walk on an incline or ride the stationary bike

I've slowed my pace with the workout I started last week. Minute rest between sets. Drop sets 15-12-10-8-fail. Increasing weight each set unless I can't finish the set. If I don't finish I drop and burn out then continue next set with same weight.

Water intake = tons! 2 gallons easily. I drink 1.5 at work alone.

I am on creatine monohydrate at the moment and I know the water retention is a side affect but I just got on it last week so I know the difference in my fluffiness due to the water vs my body fat.

 

[Skiman]

Yes, every day I lift. 5 days. Typically I hit the stairs. Some days I walk on an incline or ride the stationary bike

I've slowed my pace with the workout I started last week. Minute rest between sets. Drop sets 15-12-10-8-fail. Increasing weight each set unless I can't finish the set. If I don't finish I drop and burn out then continue next set with same weight.

Water intake = tons! 2 gallons easily. I drink 1.5 at work alone.

I am on creatine monohydrate at the moment and I know the water retention is a side affect but I just got on it last week so I know the difference in my fluffiness due to the water vs my body fat.

The amount of water should take care of any retention, so you should have a regular flush going on to where your body is not holding onto water at that rate.

I would try maybe lesson the reps and upping the weight to maybe offset the chest, try building more muscle there to offset the fat if that makes sense. So in a range of 12-10-8-4 reps and going heavy instead of burning. If you aren't able to cut away what is there on the chest maybe it can be replaced or subbed with building more there and getting rid of the man ****s by building more muscle.

Ski

 

[jimmie_dimmick]

The amount of water should take care of any retention, so you should have a regular flush going on to where your body is not holding onto water at that rate.

I would try maybe lesson the reps and upping the weight to maybe offset the chest, try building more muscle there to offset the fat if that makes sense. So in a range of 12-10-8-4 reps and going heavy instead of burning. If you aren't able to cut away what is there on the chest maybe it can be replaced or subbed with building more there and getting rid of the man ****s by building more muscle.

Ski

I'll give your drop sets a try. My chest is actually the weakest body part on my body.

Do you train your abs? I've been told to lose the fat first then focus on them because you can build the muscles faster, causing the abs to push your belly out more.

 

[Skiman]

I'll give your drop sets a try. My chest is actually the weakest body part on my body.

Do you train your abs? I've been told to lose the fat first then focus on them because you can build the muscles faster, causing the abs to push your belly out more.

Yea, that's making more sense, I would strength train the chest instead of burning out, you'll see by building more there it will help balance what you see as moobs.

I'll tell you something many never believe, I just use squats and deadlifts for my abs. I really don't have to train them that often, but I also squeeze my abs all day long to where I'm contracting them without even trying. I have one of strongest cores to this day because I've been doing that since I was 17. It might be genetics on how my abs are shaped or protrude if you will but I think it's those core exercises along with tightening them on everything I do. I'll flex them while squating and I'll give a contraction flex at the peak of my deads on those exercises. One thing you should try to see as an experiment is work your abs tons and kill them one day with situps, crunches, etc... or whatever you have to do in order feel them burning there and then the next day do your deadlift/squat set.... You won't be able to... or your abs will cramp. It really puts it in perspective how much your core is used during those exercises. If you are weak in those exercises, guess what it's because that core if also weak and can be improve by those two full body movements.

I even tighten then and flex them with my feet pointing outwards while I'm doing bench. I'll hold them out and contract the whole session with each set I'm bench pressing.

Ski

 

[jimmie_dimmick]

Yea, that's making more sense, I would strength train the chest instead of burning out, you'll see by building more there it will help balance what you see as moobs.

I'll tell you something many never believe, I just use squats and deadlifts for my abs. I really don't have to train them that often, but I also squeeze my abs all day long to where I'm contracting them without even trying. I have one of strongest cores to this day because I've been doing that since I was 17. It might be genetics on how my abs are shaped or protrude if you will but I think it's those core exercises along with tightening them on everything I do. I'll flex them while squating and I'll give a contraction flex at the peak of my deads on those exercises. One thing you should try to see as an experiment is work your abs tons and kill them one day with situps, crunches, etc... or whatever you have to do in order feel them burning there and then the next day do your deadlift/squat set.... You won't be able to... or your abs will cramp. It really puts it in perspective how much your core is used during those exercises. If you are weak in those exercises, guess what it's because that core if also weak and can be improve by those two full body movements.

I even tighten then and flex them with my feet pointing outwards while I'm doing bench. I'll hold them out and contract the whole session with each set I'm bench pressing.

Ski

I'm with you on my moobs as you say. I've only been lifting for 2 years and have come a long way. I too flex my abs a ton and still have yet to do deadlifts. Might have to this week since I don't have my daughter.

Cardio wise, I've heard when building muscle, little to no cardio is ideal since cardio burns muscle along with fat.

I start my week in the gym tomorrow with chest. I'll keep you posted.

Thanks Ski

 

[Skiman]

Next step IMO, would be to cut back on the shakes/bars... then switching carb source to perhaps sweet potatoes or oats, get to more complex long storage energy source carbs versus quick starchy carbs.

After that it's a calorie decifit of slowly eliminating and trial and error weekly, also sub the apple for perhaps a grapefruit, it's a natural thermogenic.

Ski

 

[jimmie_dimmick]

Next step IMO, would be to cut back on the shakes/bars... then switching carb source to perhaps sweet potatoes or oats, get to more complex long storage energy source carbs versus quick starchy carbs.

After that it's a calorie decifit of slowly eliminating and trials and error weekly, also sub the apple for perhaps a grapefruit, it's a natural thermogenic.

Ski

Sweet potatoes instead of brown rice? Peas are good too for muscle growth correct?

I know about the grapefruit. I do prefer them but i'm a buy in bulk kinda guy and grapefruits just don't last long enough. Apples I know are way to sugary to eat daily.

When you say calorie deficit are you saying "eat less" in a nutshell?

 

[Skiman]

I'm with you on my moobs as you say. I've only been lifting for 2 years and have come a long way. I too flex my abs a ton and still have yet to do deadlifts. Might have to this week since I don't have my daughter.

Cardio wise, I've heard when building muscle, little to no cardio is ideal since cardio burns muscle along with fat.

I start my week in the gym tomorrow with chest. I'll keep you posted.

Thanks Ski

True high intense intervals will burn more muscle that low intense cardio sessions, I usually treat my more intense cardio with the heavy weights and go at a very fast pace to keep the heart and burning rate up.

Therefore whenever it comes to strictly cardio, it's more of a walk on incline and a steady pace for about 40+ minutes. Just a nice steady pace that I'm sweating at but I can still hold a conversation easily.

Ski

 

[jimmie_dimmick]

True high intense intervals will burn more muscle that low intense cardio sessions, I usually treat my more intense cardio with the heavy weights and go at a very fast pace to keep the heart and burning rate up.

Therefore whenever it comes to strictly cardio, it's more of a walk on incline and a steady pace for about 40+ minutes. Just a nice steady pace that I'm sweating at but I can still hold a conversation easily.

Ski

That's what I do on the stairs and when I walk. Not pumping my legs like there's no tomorrow.

Diet is 90% of all this if you ask me. Lifting is just 10% but without proper diet well....