The Skipper by Iminime & Rainman

[Deckard]

As far as I can see, I'm the only one who's out, maybe thrust, Teddys back in.

I never sent Denny any kind of communication regarding this, I only ever complained that the head needed tweaking. So I'm still not sure what it is people are going on about. Poor reading comprehension and a lack of knowledge it seems.

 

[PopCultKid]

See PopCultKid I totally get what you're saying. But here, the people knew this sculpt would be around. That this was the final sculpt, when Denny debuted it and showed it in that video after the initial discontent. After that he even asked people to tell him who was in for him to continue with it to make a full set figure, people mailed him and confirmed. So at this stage after all was said and done... complaining about the sculpt seems. wierd.

I can understand if people didnt like the sculpt and drew the line there and told Denny that if this sculpt is coming sorry no way! Then it would have saved everyone the trouble. However everyone chimed in and gave the go ahead and now are flaking. Honestly thats what I felt was unfair.

Im only disappointed by the fact that even when people were aware of what the sculpt would be, why complain about it after you gave it the green light in the first place. I felt that was unfair for Denny and his team.

Well it sounded to me in the Video that Denny was unsure what to do, if anything could be done at all about the sculpt. And you are right that the problems have to be nipped in the bud. I said it on another thread that the problems that people have with a WIP will not change unless the problem is fixed as early as possible, and will follow the project right down to opening sales day and WILL effect sales. Really what should have been said here from day one was that the sculpt had too many inaccuries to be tweaked and we should have suggested to have a complete redo

 

[intothevoid]

I'm not bailing because of Axe, I'm bailing because the sculpt isn't there. You want to talk about snobs, why are you even in this thread nam, I'll tell you why, you have no life, you spend 12 hours a day on here and your unemployed. Maybe you should quit whining about people's collecting habbits and worry about the fact that your running a daddy day care while your woman pulls down the money to keep you online all day arguing with children half your age.

Another personal attack will be met with an infraction.

Axe I know what you and everyone else who is willing to put time in money into one of their figs are saying. I do the same. I buy their figures knowing that to bring them up to a personal acceptable speed, it takes more time and money. Everyone's level of tweaking will vary. Some people are 90% happy with it out of the box while others will Frankenstein the body, ect.

I have accepted that I have to switch the body and shoes on every figure that I get from them. I also have to source out appropriate hands and extra accessories, or upgrade already included accessories. Those are just things that my personal standards require to make these quality sets for me. Some people may do more, some may do less.

But the one thing that I want to be able to count on straight out of the box is a good quality, correct scale sculpt that needs NO tweaking and good clothes to match. Otherwise where do the mods end? As far as I'm concerned I'm doing a lot as is to improve these sets.

Agreed.

 

[axecutioner18]

Well it sounded to me in the Video that Denny was unsure what to do, if anything could be done at all about the sculpt. And you are right that the problems have to be nipped in the bud. I said it on another thread that the problems that people have with a WIP will not change unless the problem is fixed as early as possible, and will follow the project right down to opening sales day and WILL effect sales. Really what should have been said here from day one was that the sculpt had too many inaccuries to be tweaked and we should have suggested to have a complete redo

Exactly, when people saw that the sculpt would not be changed or redone, I dunno why they didnt pull the plug on it then. In anycase, Im hopeful this sells well, as it would mean that the wishlist thread wont just be a scrapbook for leftfield character pictures but a solid foundation from where Iminime can choose their projects and get a decent idea of sincere demand.

Also I think we jump the gun too much, mixing an official announcement with our very own expectations. Like at the moment some people think Bateman having a second sculpt is confirmed. They dont realise that Denny has said he will 'consider' it. I dont recall a post or any conversation with him where he confirms it. Illusionary expectations like that cause more harm, specially if it spreads as misinformation...

 

[PopCultKid]

Thanks for seeing it my way Void

And as I said before, I also hope that these are just growing pains and part of getting in with Iminime from ground zero. If what they can include in the price point doesn't improve say 5-8 releases down the road then IDK

 

[axecutioner18]

And as I said before, I also hope that these are just growing pains and part of getting in with Iminime from ground zero. If what they can include in the price point doesn't improve say 5-8 releases down the road then IDK

lets not forget that they are a very new team, a talented and young one. So I can only expect them to get better and better. But ofcourse I dont expect prices to remain the way they are...

 

[PopCultKid]

Exactly, when people saw that the sculpt would not be changed or redone, I dunno why they didnt pull the plug on it then. In anycase, Im hopeful this sells well, as it would mean that the wishlist thread wont just be a scrapbook for leftfield character pictures but a solid foundation from where Iminime can choose their projects and get a decent idea of sincere demand.

Well that's part of my point. The wishlist is a good tool and interest lists CAN work. The end result of the product will be the deciding factor in it's success.

Tony is by no means left field. There IS a sincere demand for him. If the sales suffer, it's strictly a case of falling short of expectations.

Which makes me fear for Bateman BIGTIME. Iminime of course are the artists and they have their own views artistically and they have to make their own decisions as a company. But as I keep saying, when they are personally fans of a movie and character, then we are lucky that Denny is nice enough to let us chime in. But if they are doing a project based strictly on the large demand of their customers, then they should really pay attention to what us customers are saying. That's when they have to think slightly more like a company as opposed to just thinking like artists.

 

[PopCultKid]

lets not forget that they are a very new team, a talented and young one. So I can only expect them to get better and better. But ofcourse I dont expect prices to remain the way they are...

I'm not worried about prices. I'd like to see more quality included at this pricepoint than the prices going down. I know I speak for myself but I'd antie up $20-$50/figure more from here on out if that helped the product be more up to par out of the box.

 

[eighthsamurai]

See PopCultKid I totally get what you're saying. But here, the people knew this sculpt would be around. That this was the final sculpt, when Denny debuted it and showed it in that video after the initial discontent. After that he even asked people to tell him who was in for him to continue with it to make a full set figure, people mailed him and confirmed. So at this stage after all was said and done... complaining about the sculpt seems. wierd.

I can understand if people didnt like the sculpt and drew the line there and told Denny that if this sculpt is coming sorry no way! Then it would have saved everyone the trouble. However everyone chimed in and gave the go ahead and now are flaking. Honestly thats what I felt was unfair.

Im only disappointed by the fact that even when people were aware of what the sculpt would be, why complain about it after you gave it the green light in the first place. I felt that was unfair for Denny and his team.

axe, i think you might be a little confused here. there were some people who were totally for that sculpt from beginning to end, even before denny showed it in the video. there were however a lot of people who made suggestions before and after that video. as far as i understood it, denny wasn't asking for 100% intent to buy confirmation emails given that that was the head that was coming with it. in my recollection, he asked people who were serious about a tony figure to email him with outfit choices and suggestions for improvements, including those to the sculpt.

i'm trying hard to understand what some people are saying here... are people genuinely suggesting that just because you show interest in something or wish for something that you have to buy it?? surely, this is a two way thing. i really admire what iminime are doing and denny is a great guy, but these are still $300 products. if it really is the case, as some of you are suggesting, that we have a responsibility to stick to promises to buy something (which in this case i don't even believe we concretely made), iminime also have a responsibility to put out the best product possible. complaints and suggestions for improvement to that sculpt were made very clearly and very early on. i sent my email to denny suggesting changes. they weren't made. so why exactly am i still obligated to buy this? as far as i'm concerned, that email stated very clearly that if these changes are made (or even some of them), then i'd be interested in buying. i'm sure that's the case with a lot of people.

i'm sorry, i just don't see this as flaking. sadly, as great as iminime is, we don't owe them anything and they don't owe us anything, unless money changes hands.

 

[Bullet]

Wow it's about to blow. Please someone answer these for me before the nukes drop

Denny said not far back in the thread that the robe isn't done and won't be coming with the full fig but rather coming later.

No idea on the other 2 questions man but my guess for the edition size would be 50-70

 

[axecutioner18]

i'm trying hard to understand what some people are saying here... are people genuinely suggesting that just because you show interest in something or wish for something that you have to buy it?? surely, this is a two way thing. i really admire what iminime are doing and denny is a great guy, but these are still $300 products. if it really is the case, as some of you are suggesting, that we have a responsibility to stick to promises to buy something (which in this case i don't even believe we concretely made), iminime also have a responsibility to put out the best product possible. complaints and suggestions for improvement to that sculpt were made very clearly and very early on. i sent my email to denny suggesting changes. they weren't made. so why exactly am i still obligated to buy this? as far as i'm concerned, that email stated very clearly that if these changes are made (or even some of them), then i'd be interested in buying. i'm sure that's the case with a lot of people.

i'm sorry, i just don't see this as flaking. sadly, as great as iminime is, we don't owe them anything and they don't owe us anything, unless money changes hands.

Of course you dont owe or anyone owe them anything. I myself being close to them have bought 2 of their releases only, simply because I was not interested in the others, so I dont think its about owing them anything. (Actually I am confused why suddnly it exploded)

Maybe since Im not a fan of the character I cant really feel as such let down as maybe others are. But suddenly I was made a scapegoat into this thread by Thrustmaster for some reason because I was apparently *****ing about the release, when honestly I was joking about Aarons sudden switching back and forth about buying it and not rather his deliberation on pulling the trigger. (And I wasnt the only one)

This just made me realise how some people are really really miffed that the figure didnt meet their expectations and resorted to push crap at someone whom they felt didnt support this project from day one. Thrustmaster has accused me long back of trying to influence Denny to not make this project (even before this figure was announced)on other wishlist threads whenever I said this project doesnt convince me... and I said it doesnt seem a very potentially successful venture. So its strictly between me and him. (Some people who hold some issue, took the chance to throw in their two cents to stoke some more fire as is normal with the boards)

Ironically my words are coming true... which is quite unfortunate

 

[Thrustmaster]

Denny said not far back in the thread that the robe isn't done and won't be coming with the full fig but rather coming later.

didn't know about the robe that it's coming later. But with that it would be a brilliant chance of a second sculpt, but now doing the alternate sculpt by the iminime sculptor.

those who pre-ordered earlier, will get this sculpt as a bonus, those who haven't pre ordered can get the figure with the new headsculpt later.

 

[PopCultKid]

Thanks Bullet

Well said 8th. Maybe my memory is shotty but I was under the impression that the emails Denny requested were for suggestions and stuff but at the same time the weight of the idea of scrapping the project was riding on those emails.

Like I said the demand was there. A lot of us need a Tony. But a Tony that looks like Tony

We give suggestions not to undermine Iminime's artistic integrity or vision, but to let them know what we want to spend our money on.

Their business model doesn't have room for the "buy or don't buy" theory.




*******As always all respect due to Denny & Iminime. Just respectively voicing my opinion*****************

 

[Lejuan]

I expressed interest in an email to Denny in this figure based on the showing of the head sculpt, and I'm still wavering - so I'll admit that if I don't bite I'll be one of the flakers.

Honestly I don't mind the headsculpt. It's not perfect but it's definitely serviceable. It's the way it sits on the body and the proportions overall that are bothering me. Lowering the neck was a definite improvement, but it still needs another mill or two imo. But the main thing is the cash - I can't recall whether a release date was slated, if it was I missed that info. I expected this to be a bit later. If it were an out-of-the-park release I would've found a way to not miss out on it - but as it is I'll sit back and wait for the essential bills to get paid off, as it looks like demand is low enough that it'll be around for a while longer.

I guess I'm the only one who sent one of those emails to Denny. I must have a lot more influence than I thought.

 

[thenammagazine]

I'm not bailing because of Axe, I'm bailing because the sculpt isn't there. You want to talk about snobs, why are you even in this thread nam, I'll tell you why, you have no life, you spend 12 hours a day on here and your unemployed. Maybe you should quit whining about people's collecting habbits and worry about the fact that your running a daddy day care while your woman pulls down the money to keep you online all day arguing with children half your age.

Try again, it's called gainful self employment and it's the benefit of an actual education and creating a business - you should try it after you graduate high school and move out of your parents' house. But hey, I'm not the one whining at a middleman about a dolly.

 

[Orrimarrko]

I can almost garuntee that proportions will be a non issue with proper padding amd swapping etc, if you never liked the head it's the bigger issue.

Me I never liked it I wanted to but it just didn't happen.tjeres something very off, not enough however to not get this figure I may not like it better but at least equally to my other one, my other one is upper middle of the road in terms of my favorites....

Denny should send me the prototype next time, I'm happy to mess around and futz with it and make suggestions.

I almost promise everything needed for a great tony is here with small edits.

Nothing blows my mind more than Michael Corleone, when I got it I thought it looked like a young girl. With a few paint tweaks, eyebrow reshaping, highlight the prominate features that were in the sculpt all along it was a radical transformation. Still blows my mind.

I can promise once I get mine and do my tweaks there will be a few who skipped on the skip wishing they hadn't.

Yeah, not everyone can do what you do.

So, while yours may look fantastic, everyone elses will still look like it did out of the box.

 

[Orrimarrko]

Axe I know what you and everyone else who is willing to put time in money into one of their figs are saying. I do the same. I buy their figures knowing that to bring them up to a personal acceptable speed, it takes more time and money. Everyone's level of tweaking will vary. Some people are 90% happy with it out of the box while others will Frankenstein the body, ect.

I have accepted that I have to switch the body and shoes on every figure that I get from them. I also have to source out appropriate hands and extra accessories, or upgrade already included accessories. Those are just things that my personal standards require to make these quality sets for me. Some people may do more, some may do less.

But the one thing that I want to be able to count on straight out of the box is a good quality, correct scale sculpt that needs NO tweaking and good clothes to match. Otherwise where do the mods end? As far as I'm concerned I'm doing a lot as is to improve these sets.

I agree.

Personally, I don't have the time, knowledge or talent in order to modify anything that comes - and quite honestly, I don't think you should have to.

Whether it's $300 or $600 or $1000 - you're paying for a product, and at the end of the day, if it's lacking, then you didn't get what you paid for. Should I have to completely disrobe the character, tighten and glue joints just to get the thing to stand up? (In my opinion, hell no.)

I understand that there will ALWAYS be people here who are looking for a level of perfection that will make them mod until the cows come home - and that's great, because it sounds like they enjoy it.

But, I rather like the fact that there are custom artists out there that you don't have to do a damn thing when you open the package - Beto's figures, Rainman's figures (for example).

Forget the cost - they just have that extra level of quality so that you can do what we ALL want to do at the end of the day - display them.

I have a set of the Se7en figures that I can't even display because I can't get them to stand up (even with SS stands that I bought.) Why? Because the costs were kept down by using inferior bodies.

Hearing about all of the mods needed to make them a better quality makes me wonder why they were just not done in the first place. Clearly there's a market for selling figures at $500 a pop.

Again, I agree with PCK - the figures should be ready to go out of the box. If there are perfectionists that want to mod until rapture, then that's their decision.

 

[karamazov80]

Sometimes I think we should nuke the entire custom section from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

 

[thenammagazine]

Sometimes I think we should nuke the entire custom section from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Ever seen Damnation Alley? If so, then you know what happens to the roaches.

 

[K.bowen]

figure looks fine. its the best soprano we can get without a turd load of kitbashing.

Well that's part of my point. The wishlist is a good tool and interest lists CAN work. The end result of the product will be the deciding factor in it's success.

Tony is by no means left field. There IS a sincere demand for him. If the sales suffer, it's strictly a case of falling short of expectations.

Which makes me fear for Bateman BIGTIME. Iminime of course are the artists and they have their own views artistically and they have to make their own decisions as a company. But as I keep saying, when they are personally fans of a movie and character, then we are lucky that Denny is nice enough to let us chime in. But if they are doing a project based strictly on the large demand of their customers, then they should really pay attention to what us customers are saying. That's when they have to think slightly more like a company as opposed to just thinking like artists.

i agree about bateman, i hope they take their time with him, he needs to be perfect and we shouldnt have to futz with him at all considering the price. but that being said he will be bought either way. cause its bateman
and i bought this cause its tony friggen soprano!!!