Things I Hate
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Lejuan
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The environment.
Evolution doesn't make any sense. I honestly can't see how after eons your genes can force mutation to make you bigger and stronger. Unless, your genes have memories and experiences are encoded into your DNA which dictate why you change.
Lejuan
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You may still feel that way after you read some decent texts on evolutionary theory. But I'd encourage you to do that reading before you default to the idea of a magical spirit daddy engineering life on earth.
Never said I did believe in that. If you actually read my previous posts you'd know that. No reason to bash religion since I'm sure there is people that do believe in it on here.
It doesn't get aside from the fact that they're still considered as "theories". I find evolution intriguing, and I do have to keep an open mind about things, since I am a scientist. But, I find that the theories on evolution itself are not adequate enough firmly negate the existence of a higher creator. In the end, everyone has to make up their own mind on what they want to believe - whether they accept God or something else as the reason (or lack thereof) for their existence.
In any case, this discussion could degrade for the worst since it involves religion vs. evolution. I don't want to get the thread closed, so back to the "Things I F#$%ing Hate"!
Lejuan
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I am reading your posts. You said you believe that there has to be an intelligence driving the engineering behind evolution. I'm suggesting that there isn't, and that defaulting to a belief in the supernatural just because you're too lazy to read a few books is not the best way to arrive at a world view.
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i hate mail carriers. they are so rude.
Do you have to be condescending in every reply to me? We were pretty cordial in here until the wannabe Scientist decided to poke his head in. There is nothing wrong with having an open mind.
Let's agree to disagree, and leave it as is.
Lejuan
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Lejuan
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True, an open mind is a good thing. And I have no interest in engaging people of faith on their beliefs - they are welcome to the view of the world to which they are committed.
I am needling you though because you don't have faith, and are instead predicating your beliefs on a vague feeling that 'evolution just doesn't make sense'. Well go and read up is my advice. And then see where you're at - Commit Snake, commit!
Gravity is just a theory too
It is
. Gravity exists because of mass, which causes warps in space-time. However, there is no definite scientific explanation for why that happens. Just endless debates and theories from astrophysicists on parallel universes .
KitFisto
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Totally removing my faith for a min, here is why evolition would be something I still struggle with. We've evolved so much that we kill for for fun. We lie, cheat, steal and many other things. We are selfish and self absorbed. We've enslaved ourselves with greed in a world system that demands we work for those controlling the food, housing and medical care ( government or private ). We spend mostof our lives getting up and going into jobs we don't like so we can pay for things we don't need. This is all somehow the top of evolution on this planet? I'm sorry, but that's one reason I live by faith.....doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Lejuan
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I guess I'm more a glass-half-full kind of guy.
I don't think that's giving humanity or individuals like your own self enough credit to suggest that we require to believe in God or an afterlife otherwise we'd all be mindless killers. I mean, I don't believe in anything, I think that when I die I'll just be gone - yet I don't think it would be OK for me to go around killing people. I don't understand that logic.
In fact in my not believing in any kind of afterlife I think choosing to end someone else's life is the cruellest thing you could possibly do. You're ending their one shot at existence.
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Either way, I guess we'll all find out (or won't find out and not care ) way until we're all dead.
You got a religion and faith, great, that'll keep you going. You'll either get the answer and reward that your life was built on . . . or you'll never know it was all a lie as your memory will no longer exist.
If you don't believe in "magic", and cold, remorseless science and fact is your game. Well, you'll die never really knowing or fully understanding how it all worked. If there is something after this, you'll either be punished for being a non-believer (whatever that is) or you'll never know what it was really all about as your memory will no longer exist.
So it's essentially a non-issue. Believe in what you want to believe in with what little time you have in this world. Are you a Lejaun? A Kit Fisto? A devilif? Maybe you're a DiFabio. Either way, you'll either get your answer or you won't so I guess the best option is to just enjoy the best out of life . . . Whatever that is.
) way until we're all dead.You got a religion and faith, great, that'll keep you going. You'll either get the answer and reward that your life was built on . . . or you'll never know it was all a lie as your memory will no longer exist.
If you don't believe in "magic", and cold, remorseless science and fact is your game. Well, you'll die never really knowing or fully understanding how it all worked. If there is something after this, you'll either be punished for being a non-believer (whatever that is) or you'll never know what it was really all about as your memory will no longer exist.
So it's essentially a non-issue. Believe in what you want to believe in with what little time you have in this world. Are you a Lejaun? A Kit Fisto? A devilif? Maybe you're a DiFabio. Either way, you'll either get your answer or you won't so I guess the best option is to just enjoy the best out of life . . . Whatever that is.
Lejuan
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Not necessarily. The idea that a non-believer will be punished for his non-belief is itself just a belief which could be mistaken. That's part of the fear tactic religion employs. There could be a god and yet no world religion has anything right about him whatsoever. Maybe he doesn't give a crap about humanity at all. Maybe there's a god but no kind of afterlife.
Its all subjective and I see no reason to think that any one religion is somehow more clued into the reality than any other. Which is why I don't subscribe to any.
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Why though? Why wouldn't it be okay? If we're just highly evolved animals that created these flawed concepts and simply die, then why does it matter? It's not just about God, it's about you, yourself.
What is good then? Why not kill, rape, maim, pillage and plunder (other than the consequences and punishment of such acts)? Why not do things out of selfish reasoning that will put you ahead of everyone? Everyone, including myself will say it's "wrong", well why is it wrong? If these ideas like morals, love, religion, etc. are just chemicals in our brain, how is it wrong to just let loose? Because other human beings, tell you it's wrong? What about survival of the fittest? What life has taught us about survival on this planet? If that's all that matters then why not act like the animals we are and selfishly act out for our own benefits.
Animals don't fret or feel remorse. They don't "feel bad" or have the complexities we do, so why do we? If we all came from the same thing, why have these delusional ideas of self worth, emotion and beliefs in life after death form?
You say I'm not giving myself or humanity "credit", well what does that mean and what does that entail? Why not just be a grunting animal, it doesn't matter in the end because we'll all simply cease to exist. Is it for future generations? What do they matter? We all understand that we'll be extinct as a whole some day.
