Things that I marvel at

[pixletwin]

Re: The whole bathroom issue

Its a soap box issue that doesn't really matter (like most issues) and it's only there to divert people's attention from real issues

 

[pixletwin]

Disappearing working class, a corrupt and broken electorate system, big business bleeding the value of the dollar and all the myriad social, health, political problems which that has created.

But by all means, lets get worked up about who goes pee where, or Bruce Jenner, or who a private business is/isn't allowed to make a wedding cake for. :

 

[EVILFACE]

Naw man, peoples feels are more important than all that.

 

[Lejuan]

Disappearing working class, a corrupt and broken electorate system, big business bleeding the value of the dollar and all the myriad social, health, political problems which that has created.

But by all means, lets get worked up about who goes pee where, or Bruce Jenner, or who a private business is/isn't allowed to make a wedding cake for. :

It's not simply a political issue, it has personal safety implications.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

People driving cars has personal safety implications too, but anyone can get behind the wheel. Don't have to have a license or insurance to do it, just don't get caught. Everything can have personal safety implications because there are people that will break whatever rules are put into place. Does anyone think it's impossible right now for a guy to go into a women's bathroom and attack a lady? Society is full of people that want to hurt someone and will find a way to do it. People freaking out about who uses which bathroom should put all that energy into bigger issues.

 

[Lejuan]

People driving cars has personal safety implications too, but anyone can get behind the wheel. Don't have to have a license or insurance to do it, just don't get caught. Everything can have personal safety implications because there are people that will break whatever rules are put into place. Does anyone think it's impossible right now for a guy to go into a women's bathroom and attack a lady? Society is full of people that want to hurt someone and will find a way to do it. People freaking out about who uses which bathroom should put all that energy into bigger issues.

"Just don't get caught"?

ie, there's a deterrent. How about we just let anyone drive, get rid of the requirements to hold a license in the first place? That's the logic you're applying here.

 

[YoNoSe]

#Toonces

 

[GeneralZodLives]

"Just don't get caught"?

ie, there's a deterrent. How about we just let anyone drive, get rid of the requirements to hold a license in the first place? That's the logic you're applying here.

Anyone can get a car and kill someone, with or without a license. Anyone man can go into a women's bathroom and attack a woman whether or not the sign says "Women". Rules, law, and signs aren't going to deter someone that really wants to do something. Some people don't want a man that identifies and dresses as a woman to use a women's bathroom for fear that person will attack a woman. If that same transgender man uses the men's room a guy with more testosterone than brains may attack that person. So what's the answer?

 

[The Ween]

Well, after what crows said, you men keep your pissy selves in your own potties!

 

[GeneralZodLives]

I used to tend bar and both bathrooms were disgusting, but the women's room always looked like it had been attacked by a bleeding tornado.

 

[The Ween]

I used to tend bar and both bathrooms were disgusting, but the women's room always looked like it had been attacked by a bleeding tornado.

Really? Wow! I've never seen that! The most I've seen is just some TP paper on the floor.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

Really? Wow! I've never seen that! The most I've seen is just some TP paper on the floor.

I worked at a night club and every night the bathroom was horrendous. The men's room could just get hosed down. The women's room required more of a hands on approach because of all the trash before you could actually deal with the more disgusting parts.

 

[Lejuan]

Anyone can get a car and kill someone, with or without a license. Anyone man can go into a women's bathroom and attack a woman whether or not the sign says "Women". Rules, law, and signs aren't going to deter someone that really wants to do something. Some people don't want a man that identifies and dresses as a woman to use a women's bathroom for fear that person will attack a woman. If that same transgender man uses the men's room a guy with more testosterone than brains may attack that person. So what's the answer?

It's not all about the LGBTI minority. It's also about the female majority.

How you 'identify' has nothing to do with your sex. You either have a pee-pee or you don't. If you have a pee-pee, use the men's room.

If you don't like that, then advocate for an alternative, ie unisex restrooms. Don't crash the public-private spaces of women to further your 'gender identification' issues.

Here we have a bunch of men determining what women want.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

It's not all about the LGBTI minority. It's also about the female majority.

How you 'identify' has nothing to do with your sex. You either have a pee-pee or you don't. If you have a pee-pee, use the men's room.

If you don't like that, then advocate for an alternative, ie unisex restrooms. Don't crash the public-private spaces of women to further your 'gender identification' issues.

Here we have a bunch of men determining what women want.

There's always men determining what women want because there are more male politicians than female politicians in the US. In a perfect world there would be bathrooms for everyone, but most places only have two. Just over 50 years ago black people couldn't use most of those bathrooms. Now there's a different group that's being told what bathroom to use. Do they pick the women's room where someone calls a supervisor and they get embarrassed or arrested? Or do they pick the men's room where they might get attacked by a homophobe that doesn't understand what a transgender is?

 

[GeneralZodLives]

Wait, Are u implying that women Can be just as gross as men????? Or even moreso?
Cuz thats sexist. And not true

In fact im wondering if this whole post is just trolling cus i dont believe it.

It's absolutely true. If the were trolling I would have said the men's room was nice and tidy and always smelled of lilacs.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

I actually read that most attacks happen from women in female bathrooms, not really from guys.
Ill look for the link

Yeah, I could see that happening as well depending on where you live. In Oklahoma it could easily be both because most people in this state wouldn't want to share a bathroom with anyone transgender or gay or even some shades of brown.

 

[Lejuan]

There's always men determining what women want because there are more male politicians than female politicians in the US. In a perfect world there would be bathrooms for everyone, but most places only have two. Just over 50 years ago black people couldn't use most of those bathrooms. Now there's a different group that's being told what bathroom to use. Do they pick the women's room where someone calls a supervisor and they get embarrassed or arrested? Or do they pick the men's room where they might get attacked by a homophobe that doesn't understand what a transgender is?

You're comparing race and ethnicity with identity. You're suggesting that how one identifies - ie their gender - should be the determining factor in their access to intimate spaces, and not their sex. Black people don't 'identify' as black. They are black. "Color's a state of mind, Marcus!"

Hijacking women's spaces is not a reasonable response to the gender identity issues affecting a small minority of the population. Advocating for an alternative is. If society considers it important enough, it'll invest the same resources it did to address physical mobility and access issues a few years back.

I actually read that most attacks happen from women in female bathrooms attacking and beating trans women. not really from guys.
Ill look for the link

Gee, I wonder why that would be the case...

 

[GeneralZodLives]

You're comparing race and ethnicity with identity. You're suggesting that how one identifies - ie their gender - should be the determining factor in their access to intimate spaces, and not their sex. Black people don't 'identify' as black. They are black. "Color's a state of mind, Marcus!"

Hijacking women's spaces is not a reasonable response to the gender identity issues affecting a small minority of the population. Advocating for an alternative is. If society considers it important enough, it'll invest the same resources it did to address physical mobility and access issues a few years back.



Gee, I wonder why that would be the case...

I agree advocating for an alternative is the best solution but it's not going to happen anytime soon. Most places won't be able to incorporate more bathrooms. The issue at hand is which bathroom do they use now and for the foreseeable future. They face discrimination regardless of which one they choose. I used segregated bathrooms an example because in that case and this one people are being discriminated against. You say pee-pee = boy's room but it's not that simple. There are men that don't want a guy dressed as a woman in the men's room. Men that don't want to explain to their oh-so-precious children why a man is wearing a dress. Men that will think they're going to get hit on and if they do then that transgender man is threatening their man card. Same thing applies to transgender women using the women's room. Plus, what happens when they get the surgery but still look like a man in a dress or a woman with facial hair?Genitalia is correct for the room but the overall look isn't "right". Should all the transgender people just stay home for fear they'll have to use a public restroom at some point in their lives? There is no easy answer except for everyone to just get the **** over it already, which unfortunately isn't going to happen. Out of all the things wrong with the world this shouldn't be on the list much less near the top of it as it is this week. However, we live in a society that is scared of what it doesn't understand, is slow to change, and certainly doesn't want to deal with important issues so stuff like this is in the news to distract everyone.

Anyway, we're not going to solve it. I gave way more time to this than I expected. Thanks for the good discussion without falling into insults--a rarity on this board.

 

[Lejuan]

Anyway, we're not going to solve it. I gave way more time to this than I expected. Thanks for the good discussion without falling into insults--a rarity on this board.

 

[Lejuan]

Are u implying that women can be as violent as men?
Cuz thats sexist

I'm saying I'm not surprised that some women would be so affronted by a male being in their intimate space that they'd take a swing at them