To bootleg or not to bootleg, that is the question. (concerts / panels / etc.)

[devilof76]

But laborers are not in control of how much they get paid. And they are not paid constantly and repetitively over and over for long periods of time for a specific effort on a specific project. This is spin.

Yes they are. If a laborer judges pay to be too low, he has the power to decline the work. How they are paid is determined by the nature of their work. Taking your point strictly, musicians are only paid once for each CD they sell. Same with authors and books. The employees of a publishing company get paid for what they contributed: physical labor. The author is paid for having created what is mass produced; without their creation, there would have been no work for the laborers. There is a hierarchy of contribution to the process.

Herein lies the problem. Copyright laws were originally made to encourage creativity...period. They were not intended to be used to suck every penny that entertainment industries can suck out of consumers. The perversion is taking the intent of the law and twisting it to support the greed of entertainment industries.

They were intended to protect the intellectual rights of the author/composer, i.e. so that those who did not create the work of art cannot profit from it's reproduction without permission from the artist.

It is simple common sense. The value should be equal to the benefit. And what would common sense dictate to be more of a benefit to humans in general? A song? Or a person's ability to say...weld? When it comes to carrying on day-to-day life living...I'll want the welder around before the musician every day. Can't cross the river on a song. It takes the bridge or the ship that the welder made to do that.

You'd pay the price of a CD for a bridge?

Common sense is not dictated by any individual. It is a standard of judgement that will hold up to any argument. And "let the person who spent 15 minutes thinking of a song get paid millions of dollars for it over his lifetime and then pass the money-making on to his heirs even though they had nothing to do with making the song but then give the guy who who help build society next to nothing by comparison and forget his heirs" simply does not hold up to argument pertaining to value to society despite the fact that that is the current norm.

Now...on the other hand...the same scenario absolutely holds up to common sense when you look at it from another perspective. The one where the entertainer has the right to try to suck every penny out of the public that they wants to.

It depends on what you prioritize. And despite the fact that I understand that the entertainer currently has the right to squeeze every penny they can out of their fans, I prioritize value to society. And that makes me believe that entertainers are obscenely over-paid.

I don't sympathize with your collectivism.

 

[Darth Cruel]

Yes they are. If a laborer judges pay to be too low, he has the power to decline the work. How they are paid is determined by the nature of their work. Taking your point strictly, musicians are only paid once for each CD they sell. Same with authors and books. The employees of a publishing company get paid for what they contributed: physical labor. The author is paid for having created what is mass produced; without their creation, there would have been no work for the laborers. There is a hierarchy of contribution to the process.



They were intended to protect the intellectual rights of the author/composer, i.e. so that those who did not create the work of art cannot profit from it's reproduction without permission from the artist.



You'd pay the price of a CD for a bridge?



I don't sympathize with your collectivism.

LOL...Man! It ain't fair to debate like that! Point/counterpoint is the format!

 

[devilof76]

I like the scythe format.

 

[sparkstron73]

So who gets to be the one who decides what is and is not common sense?

Me

I think its gone way past the point where common sense is used.
The world is mad and everyone is afraid of what they can and can't say and do without fear of being dragged into court.

Who invented the happy birthday song was it ronald mc donald?
I would'nt be surprised, he is the devil and his food is ____e,now I will be probably sued for slander or defamation of character