Tom Hardy is Venom (2018)

[ironwez20]

Re: Venom Movie: Sony working on the Spin-Off

You do. There's no other way to reconcile why you think a producer behind two great CBMs is incapable of making another great CBM.



ASM1 was not a bad movie. Its a damn good movie.



No, they had one bump (SM3) that forced them to reboot. Then they had another bump (ASM2) that scared them into the rights sharing deal with Marvel. If Arad and SONY had put out 4-5 consecutive bad movies then your hate boner would be warranted. They haven't so it isn't.



No ****. Why else would a studio finance a CBM? The motivation is always to capitalize on the character's iconography. The question is will they capitalize on it via something inspired or something lazy? Given that this will be an R-rated horror feature, things are already sounding pretty damn inspired.

You liking the asm is your opinion . They got the same guy who made deadpool look like he did in origins supporting this movie why don't you think about that.

And my hate for arad is warranted . You hate the mcu even though they made decent to good movies. What has arad done? He is responsible for almost running the franchise in the ground, dub step electro, Harry goblin, rushing a silly cinematic universe. That's all on him. Why don't you research the guy. He's the idiot pushed for venom in 3 and look what happened .

Yea they capitalized on venoms success but that's not a good thing. Actually developing the characters, having depth and story do. Not just throwing some **** movie together in a short period of time and that's it.
Also for the people who actually want to see venom vs Spider-Man and venom actually be the bane in Spider-Man's life well I guess we are screwed there. O but what about silver sable and black cat? lol it's like Sony is trying to one up the catwoman movie by making movies of supporting characters that only work with Spider-Man.

Arad is the same dummy who wants an aunt may movie. Yea he's gonna do great. He basically kicked raimi to the curve after three and rebooted in his own vision.

Also how does giving it an r rating make it inspired? It's just riding on the hype of Logan and deadpool it doesn't mean they have a brilliant story in mind lmao.

I swear as long as it's not mcu comic movie you'll praise the hell out of it. Yea mcu is generic but hell Sony couldn't do any better.

 

[pturtle]

Re: Venom Movie: Sony working on the Spin-Off

Avi might have pushed for Venom in SM3 ( why wouldn't he?) all the blame goes on Raimi and his writer for that movie. Let's not pretend like the only thing wrong with Spider-Man 3 was Venom or his inclusion in that movie. Everything sucked except for the action, I can't blame that on the producers.

I doubt Avi was behind the look and characterization of Electro or GG. He should be blamed by forcing a shared universe, but what studio isn't doing that? Fox, Universal, Warner Bros are doing the same thing.

A Venom movie in the vein of Alien has me far more excited than a 6th Spider-Man movie that seems to not be attempting anything new or different.

I guarantee even if the Venom movie turns out terrible it'll end more memorable than Homecoming.


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[SNIKT1950]

Re: Venom Movie: Sony working on the Spin-Off

I don't like Avi Arad so I think this movie is going to suck.

Yep, so the argument is pointless.

 

[ironwez20]

Re: Venom Movie: Sony working on the Spin-Off

Yep, so the argument is pointless.

I don't like mcu so therefore the movie is going to suck - you .

I can do it to

 

[ironwez20]

Re: Venom Movie: Sony working on the Spin-Off

Avi might have pushed for Venom in SM3 ( why wouldn't he?) all the blame goes on Raimi and his writer for that movie. Let's not pretend like the only thing wrong with Spider-Man 3 was Venom or his inclusion in that movie. Everything sucked except for the action, I can't blame that on the producers.

I doubt Avi was behind the look and characterization of Electro or GG. He should be blamed by forcing a shared universe, but what studio isn't doing that? Fox, Universal, Warner Bros are doing the same thing.

A Venom movie in the vein of Alien has me far more excited than a 6th Spider-Man movie that seems to not be attempting anything new or different.

I guarantee even if the Venom movie turns out terrible it'll end more memorable than Homecoming.


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Ok but Spider-Man is a shared universe. There is no need to have a wider universe when he's in the same universe. And what makes you think this venom movie will be like alien? What makes you think Spider-Man homecoming won't be memorable but a half assed venom movie will.

Look you can hate the mcu all you want I don't care. I'm a Spider-Man fan first but I have Sony a chance and they screwed up multiple times. There decisions are poor .
Also avi gets the blame for Spider-Man 3 since he's the one who pushed for venom and made the movie a jumbled mess. He's been trying to make a venom movie for years now. And the mcu has Spider-Man he decides to release it now? Lol ok.
And what do you mean the new Spider-Man movie is t attempting anything new and different.

Spidey in the mcu with other heroes
Spidey in Washington DC
Spidey fighting vulture
Spidey fighting with iron man

The only thing that's the same is that he's in highschool.... what?

 

[crows]

Re: Venom Movie: Sony working on the Spin-Off

Ok but Spider-Man is a shared universe. There is no need to have a wider universe when he's in the same universe. And what makes you think this venom movie will be like alien? What makes you think Spider-Man homecoming won't be memorable but a half assed venom movie will.

Look you can hate the mcu all you want I don't care. I'm a Spider-Man fan first but I have Sony a chance and they screwed up multiple times. There decisions are poor .
Also avi gets the blame for Spider-Man 3 since he's the one who pushed for venom and made the movie a jumbled mess. He's been trying to make a venom movie for years now. And the mcu has Spider-Man he decides to release it now? Lol ok.
And what do you mean the new Spider-Man movie is t attempting anything new and different.

Spidey in the mcu with other heroes
Spidey in Washington DC
Spidey fighting vulture
Spidey fighting with iron man

The only thing that's the same is that he's in highschool.... what?

I kinda wanna see a venom movie. This might be the only way.

 

[ironwez20]

Re: Venom Movie: Sony working on the Spin-Off

I kinda wanna see a venom movie. This might be the only way.

I do to but I want to see a justice done to the character. He's my favorite villain

 

[pturtle]

Venom Movie: Sony working on the Spin-Off

Ok but Spider-Man is a shared universe. There is no need to have a wider universe when he's in the same universe. And what makes you think this venom movie will be like alien? What makes you think Spider-Man homecoming won't be memorable but a half assed venom movie will.

Look you can hate the mcu all you want I don't care. I'm a Spider-Man fan first but I have Sony a chance and they screwed up multiple times. There decisions are poor .
Also avi gets the blame for Spider-Man 3 since he's the one who pushed for venom and made the movie a jumbled mess. He's been trying to make a venom movie for years now. And the mcu has Spider-Man he decides to release it now? Lol ok.
And what do you mean the new Spider-Man movie is t attempting anything new and different.

Spidey in the mcu with other heroes
Spidey in Washington DC
Spidey fighting vulture
Spidey fighting with iron man

The only thing that's the same is that he's in highschool.... what?

I didn't say it was gonna be like alien, but the prospect of that is intriguing. If it's a horror/Alien movie first featuring Venom, then I'll be happy.

Half ass Venom movie? You saw the movie already?

We've already seen Spiderman in a movie with other heroes, and that's nothing new or original now

Spidey is in Washington DC? Who cares? Should I be excited if he's in Chicago in the next movie?

Spidey fighting new villain with familiar tired motivations, that we've already seen.

We've already seen Spidey fighting with Iron Man.

The trailer showed a ton of retreading from previous movies all the way down to the dialogue.

- Love interest is once again the popular chick out of his league that wants to know why he's been acting so strange, and of course he gives the same excuses we've heard from previous films while doing the same thing Garfield was doing when he'd be lying, on cell phone on top of a building. How much you wanna bet there's at least one scene where he has to save her from danger, and she'll probably want to know who he is.

- Another Aerial green villain that knows Peter is Spidey and threatens everyone he loves.

- Spidey back in highschool having trouble balancing his relationships and being a crime fighter

- Spidey and Iron Man fighting side by side again

- Peter unable to focus in class

Even the set pieces they showed look strangely familiar.

That's pretty much all we got regarding the plot and characters from the first trailer.

Also I don't know how this movie has been so under the radar on this board when considering all the pandering they're doing with the casting.

I'll take an R rated Venom movie any day over a movie with this leading cast

When Fox panders, people go crazy, MCU panders and not a peep.

This looks like a Spider-Man Disney channel movie.

 

[Captain Clown]

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This looks like a Spider-Man Disney channel movie.

Technically, it is.

I'm still sad that Keaton is in this.

 

[ironwez20]

Re: Venom Movie: Sony working on the Spin-Off

I didn't say it was gonna be like alien, but the prospect of that is intriguing. If it's a horror/Alien movie first featuring Venom, then I'll be happy.

Half ass Venom movie? You saw the movie already?

We've already seen Spiderman in a movie with other heroes, and that's nothing new or original now

Spidey is in Washington DC? Who cares? Should I be excited if he's in Chicago in the next movie?

Spidey fighting new villain with familiar tired motivations, that we've already seen.

We've already seen Spidey fighting with Iron Man.

The trailer showed a ton of retreading from previous movies all the way down to the dialogue.

- Love interest is once again the popular chick out of his league that wants to know why he's been acting so strange, and of course he gives the same excuses we've heard from previous films while doing the same thing Garfield was doing when he'd be lying, on cell phone on top of a building. How much you wanna bet there's at least one scene where he has to save her from danger, and she'll probably want to know who he is.

- Another Aerial green villain that knows Peter is Spidey and threatens everyone he loves.

- Spidey back in highschool having trouble balancing his relationships and being a crime fighter

- Spidey and Iron Man fighting side by side again

- Peter unable to focus in class

Even the set pieces they showed look strangely familiar.

That's pretty much all we got regarding the plot and characters from the first trailer.

Also I don't know how this movie has been so under the radar on this board when considering all the pandering they're doing with the casting.

I'll take an R rated Venom movie any day over a movie with this leading cast

When Fox panders, people go crazy, MCU panders and not a peep.

This looks like a Spider-Man Disney channel movie.

So You seen the movie already? So you know how will it all play out or are you just throwing in baseless arguments cause "duh mcu is a stupid abd I don't like it cause it pways safe"

So you rather have a half ass thrown together venom movie written by the Sane guy who did transformers 2, produced by the guy who ran the franchise into the ground and is slated for a 2018 release even tho it has t casted yet. Lol ok.

Your basing your whole opinion on one freaking trailer. But yea the venom movie will get it pass cause " it's not mcu" lol k.

And we only seen Spider-Man interact with iron man and the rest for like one movie and it was brief what are you even saying?

Yea it should be a big deal that he's fighting in new environments instead of freaking New York all the time.

But hey it's cool. You can hate this movie and love this half assed venom movie cause " it's not duh mcu" but it doesn't change the fact that it's a disaster waiting to happen.

Tom rothman the same man who made deadpool baracka pool in origins and the man who thought dub step was cool on electro are in charge of this. Yea think about that.

I rather have a " Disney channel" Spider-Man than some money grab movie that won't respect the source anyday and tries to pull the franchise under.

 

[EVILFACE]

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Spidey is my favorite but I don't need to see him take on Flash for the third set of movies. And at Disney channel cast. I like the Parker casting, but the rest, uggg.

Never cared much for venom myself, but my interest in the modern comic book scene ended in the early 90's.

 

[pturtle]

Re: Venom Movie: Sony working on the Spin-Off

So You seen the movie already? So you know how will it all play out or are you just throwing in baseless arguments cause "duh mcu is a stupid abd I don't like it cause it pways safe"

So you rather have a half ass thrown together venom movie written by the Sane guy who did transformers 2, produced by the guy who ran the franchise into the ground and is slated for a 2018 release even tho it has t casted yet. Lol ok.

Your basing your whole opinion on one freaking trailer. But yea the venom movie will get it pass cause " it's not mcu" lol k.

And we only seen Spider-Man interact with iron man and the rest for like one movie and it was brief what are you even saying?

Yea it should be a big deal that he's fighting in new environments instead of freaking New York all the time.

But hey it's cool. You can hate this movie and love this half assed venom movie cause " it's not duh mcu" but it doesn't change the fact that it's a disaster waiting to happen.

Tom rothman the same man who made deadpool baracka pool in origins and the man who thought dub step was cool on electro are in charge of this. Yea think about that.

I rather have a " Disney channel" Spider-Man than some money grab movie that won't respect the source anyday and tries to pull the franchise under.

Nope, haven't seen the movie but I'm obviously judging everything based on the trailer, leaks, and info we've got from the director and cast. That's a lot more than we know about our "half-assed" Venom movie

I'm such a MCU hater yet I'm looking forward to GOTG2, go check that thread and see if I was being negative in it.

For all I know this movie could be Oscar worthy, but same thing can be said about the new Transformers movie, based on their trailers though I highly doubt that. I'm guessing you've never had lowered expectations after watching a trailer.

How am I giving the Venom movie a pass? All I know is it's r rated and will be a horror/action film. That tiny bit of info excites me, everything I've seen read and heard about Homecoming has been terrible. Even the title sucks

Rothman was also around for X1, X2, and First Class, what's your point?

What is it with you and your one movie rule? It's irrelevant, I've already seen Spider-Man team up with a bunch of superheroes, that novelty has now worn off. And again, we've already seen a movie with Spidey in another state, We've already seen Uncle Iron Man and Spidey teaming up, nothing new there.

You're delusional if you think this Spider-Man movie or any other big budget movie isn't a cash grab

The fact that they're teaming Spiderman up with the most popular superhero in the world right now should tell you something.

Hey man, I ain't judging, if you'd prefer a Disney Channel Spiderman movie over an R rated Venom movie I ain't madd at you, but I personally would rather see a scary Venom movie where he's tearing up some fools instead of watching hipster Spider-Man and his PC friends. That's just me though

 

[pturtle]

Re: Venom Movie: Sony working on the Spin-Off

Technically, it is.

I'm still sad that Keaton is in this.

Yup

All these actors have sold their soul to the mouse. I'm almost certain Keaton will be an unmemorable villain. I feel bad for all the members here seeing it just for him, they're going to be mighty disappointed

 

[ironwez20]

Re: Venom Movie: Sony working on the Spin-Off

Nope, haven't seen the movie but I'm obviously judging everything based on the trailer, leaks, and info we've got from the director and cast. That's a lot more than we know about our "half-assed" Venom movie

I'm such a MCU hater yet I'm looking forward to GOTG2, go check that thread and see if I was being negative in it.

For all I know this movie could be Oscar worthy, but same thing can be said about the new Transformers movie, based on their trailers though I highly doubt that. I'm guessing you've never had lowered expectations after watching a trailer.

How am I giving the Venom movie a pass? All I know is it's r rated and will be a horror/action film. That tiny bit of info excites me, everything I've seen read and heard about Homecoming has been terrible. Even the title sucks

Rothman was also around for X1, X2, and First Class, what's your point?

What is it with you and your one movie rule? It's irrelevant, I've already seen Spider-Man team up with a bunch of superheroes, that novelty has now worn off. And again, we've already seen a movie with Spidey in another state, We've already seen Uncle Iron Man and Spidey teaming up, nothing new there.

You're delusional if you think this Spider-Man movie or any other big budget movie isn't a cash grab

The fact that they're teaming Spiderman up with the most popular superhero in the world right now should tell you something.

Hey man, I ain't judging, if you'd prefer a Disney Channel Spiderman movie over an R rated Venom movie I ain't madd at you, but I personally would rather see a scary Venom movie where he's tearing up some fools instead of watching hipster Spider-Man and his PC friends. That's just me though

Yea I did have lower expectations for after I saw a trailer its called BVS and tmnt 2014

So you should know rothman is a hack. Who cares if he was around for xmen 1 and 2. 2 good movies but responsible for all the what happened with origins.

Hell it seems like you are giving venom a pass since we barely know anything about it. We don't even know if it will be venom killing off dudes left and right. Hell we don't even know if it will be made. But your so sure it's going to be memorable. Lol yea ok. Like I said the hacks behind ASm 1 and 2 that drove the franchise into the ground are behind this so I hope you can enjoy all the edgy dub step and emo eddie again cause ya know... thats what you may get. So you can cry about "Hipster spiderman" all you want be these are the people who made spiderman dance in 3 and killed off Norman osborn and made Rhino some wacky transformer. BUT ITS NOT DISNEY SO WHO CARES RIGHT?

Lol PC spiderman huh? Cause the movie dares to have people of color in it right? O yea so PC.

This movie is less of a cash grab then venom. A movie that just came out of nowhere and will probably have no develoment. Cause you know making a movie about the villians only worked so well with catwoman and suicide squad.

Lol it's just funny how you automatically think cause it's rated R it's going to be great. Venom doesn't work cause of horror he works cause of his grudge against spiderman. He doesn't kill innocent people. He lives to haunt spiderman. A venom movie without that dynamic is useless. If they even bring in carnage how would they even introduce him?

Now they could go the anti hero route but I don't see how that can be scary.

But hey if you want to see a movie made by the same people who almost killed the franchise then be my guest. Avi arad is a hack. They didn't even announce plans at tonight's sony conference for it.

Also funny how you call this spiderman "hipster and for children" when just years ago people were calling Andrew Garfield just the same. I guess being young and in highschool and having friends of color means you're a hipster PC guy. lol k.

 

[Victοr]

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...Do folks really think 616 Venom is... R? The guy was mildly scary when haunting Spider-Man. After that, he spent his days as a "Lethal Protector", stealing chocolate bars, playing videogames, having a mullet and helping folks.

The guy is goofy AF and only turns into a scary monster when Spider-Man's around. And that's pre-2005 or so. The scariest Venom has been, was during McGargan's "I EAT BRAINS" phase, and when he appeared in those Clayton Crain Carnage books. Hell, Agent Venom is more hardcore than Brock. Eddie was a messed-up guy who wanted to kill Peter, yes, but he wasn't a bad guy apart from that. He's Spider-Man's Doctor Doom. He has a cool costume, somewhat noble motivations, but a huge rage-boner for the main hero.

Seriously, this whole "It's R so it's gonna be great" thing is really damn ignorant. It's as stupid as saying "It's MCU so it's gonna be awesome". Jesus, at least wait until, dunno, somebody is casted at least, until you get ready for the ******* or the pitchfork...

 

[ironwez20]

Re: Venom Movie: Sony working on the Spin-Off

Thats what I'm saying. venom only works as a spiderman antagonist. He doesn't kill innocent people and is somtimes goofy. his best stories are with spiderman. Carnage is the killer. i rather them do a carnage movie

 

[Chakor]

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I'm really starting to believe SONY regrets the deal they made with Marvel. They should have just gone forward with ASM3, hired new writers to deliver a quality script and made a good film that made people forget ASM2.

Wait - they made an Amazing Spider-Man 2?

Oh yeah, that's right. ASM2 is already forgettable enough without a third ASM film.

 

[Chakor]

Re: Venom Movie: Sony working on the Spin-Off

...Do folks really think 616 Venom is... R? The guy was mildly scary when haunting Spider-Man. After that, he spent his days as a "Lethal Protector", stealing chocolate bars, playing videogames, having a mullet and helping folks.

Seriously, this whole "It's R so it's gonna be great" thing is really damn ignorant. It's as stupid as saying "It's MCU so it's gonna be awesome". Jesus, at least wait until, dunno, somebody is casted at least, until you get ready for the ******* or the pitchfork...

I don't think it's going to be great just because of the R rating. I don't think it's going to be great at all because:

A: No Spider-Man

B: What Sam Raimi did with Venom in Spider-Man 3

C: They don't even have anyone cast yet and haven't began filming

I personally think that this proposed film is going to be all talk and no action. Like I said before, I'll believe it when I see production stills.

 

[pturtle]

Venom Movie: Sony working on the Spin-Off

Yea I did have lower expectations for after I saw a trailer its called BVS and tmnt 2014

So you should know rothman is a hack. Who cares if he was around for xmen 1 and 2. 2 good movies but responsible for all the what happened with origins.

Hell it seems like you are giving venom a pass since we barely know anything about it. We don't even know if it will be venom killing off dudes left and right. Hell we don't even know if it will be made. But your so sure it's going to be memorable. Lol yea ok. Like I said the hacks behind ASm 1 and 2 that drove the franchise into the ground are behind this so I hope you can enjoy all the edgy dub step and emo eddie again cause ya know... thats what you may get. So you can cry about "Hipster spiderman" all you want be these are the people who made spiderman dance in 3 and killed off Norman osborn and made Rhino some wacky transformer. BUT ITS NOT DISNEY SO WHO CARES RIGHT?

Lol PC spiderman huh? Cause the movie dares to have people of color in it right? O yea so PC.

This movie is less of a cash grab then venom. A movie that just came out of nowhere and will probably have no develoment. Cause you know making a movie about the villians only worked so well with catwoman and suicide squad.

Lol it's just funny how you automatically think cause it's rated R it's going to be great. Venom doesn't work cause of horror he works cause of his grudge against spiderman. He doesn't kill innocent people. He lives to haunt spiderman. A venom movie without that dynamic is useless. If they even bring in carnage how would they even introduce him?

Now they could go the anti hero route but I don't see how that can be scary.

But hey if you want to see a movie made by the same people who almost killed the franchise then be my guest. Avi arad is a hack. They didn't even announce plans at tonight's sony conference for it.

Also funny how you call this spiderman "hipster and for children" when just years ago people were calling Andrew Garfield just the same. I guess being young and in highschool and having friends of color means you're a hipster PC guy. lol k.

Again, where are you getting that I think Venom is going to be great? Based on the tiny info we know, I like the direction it's going, that's all.

So I guess it doesn't matter when producers are apart of great films, you'll only focus on the bad ones, got it

All these movies are cash grabs, one is no less than the other. If they find a Venom director that's passionate about the project and offers up a unique take on Venom, would that be more of a cash grab than teaming Spider-Man up with Iron Man again?

Venom has been in development since before Spidey entered the MCU, they've been trying to get this movie made for years


I thought Garfield's Spidey was terrible and hipster too, and I have no problem with the diversity but I was making a point how this movie has changed the look of so many characters and nobody is complaining, yet people are freaking out over Domino in the Deadpool thread. The MCU bias continues.

...Do folks really think 616 Venom is... R? The guy was mildly scary when haunting Spider-Man. After that, he spent his days as a "Lethal Protector", stealing chocolate bars, playing videogames, having a mullet and helping folks.

The guy is goofy AF and only turns into a scary monster when Spider-Man's around. And that's pre-2005 or so. The scariest Venom has been, was during McGargan's "I EAT BRAINS" phase, and when he appeared in those Clayton Crain Carnage books. Hell, Agent Venom is more hardcore than Brock. Eddie was a messed-up guy who wanted to kill Peter, yes, but he wasn't a bad guy apart from that. He's Spider-Man's Doctor Doom. He has a cool costume, somewhat noble motivations, but a huge rage-boner for the main hero.

Seriously, this whole "It's R so it's gonna be great" thing is really damn ignorant. It's as stupid as saying "It's MCU so it's gonna be awesome". Jesus, at least wait until, dunno, somebody is casted at least, until you get ready for the ******* or the pitchfork...

As you know I don't care about the comics. The prospect of a scary, horror alien movie starring Venom sound cool. Why is it only okay for comic book writers to offer a fresh take on these characters but movies can't?

Had The Dark Knight Returns been made into a movie before it was a comic everyone would be crying about the source material.

I don't care if this movie has Eddie Brock, Flash, Or scorpion Venom playing the lead, the prospect of a more unique superhero movie excites me.

If it were up to me, every superhero movie would have an R rating. The rating indicates that this won't be a family friendly film, which for the most part I'm not interested in.

 

[pturtle]

Re: Venom Movie: Sony working on the Spin-Off

I don't think it's going to be great just because of the R rating. I don't think it's going to be great at all because:

A: No Spider-Man

B: What Sam Raimi did with Venom in Spider-Man 3

C: They don't even have anyone cast yet and haven't began filming

I personally think that this proposed film is going to be all talk and no action. Like I said before, I'll believe it when I see production stills.

I do agree, I can't see this movie being made, they've been trying to release this movie for almost a decade now