Tom Hardy is Venom (2018)

[Chakor]

Re: Venom Movie: Sony working on the Spin-Off

I do agree, I can't see this movie being made, they've been trying to release this movie for almost a decade now

Sony will probably put out an article stating that they "pulled" the film in the coming months. Just my guess.

 

[Victοr]

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As you know I don't care about the comics. The prospect of a scary, horror alien movie starring Venom sound cool.

Go watch The Thing. Or Predator. Or Alien. Or Life. These are horror sci-fi flicks with monsters as the main attraction. There's no need to take Venom, spin the concept around and make it seomthing it's not. They tried it in the books, it failed, the end. What you want is a Carnage movie, which I'd be on-board with, but not a Venom one.

Why is it only okay for comic book writers to offer a fresh take on these characters but movies can't?

Because a CBM writer must juggle decades of continuity & work on the character as part of a larger narrative. And contrary to popular belief, the new elements are introduced gradually, not all at once. Every time they try and do something crazy right out off the gate, it backfires. As it should, really. Continuity and characterization should be respected.

The movie on the other hand is of course its own thing, but if it's completely its own thing, then what's the point? Folks want to see the characters translated on screen. Yeah, sure, you can do a film about an Assassin Spider-Man ala Jon Wick crossed with Agent 47. There's already a book about that. And I don't want to see that before Kraven's Last Hunt or The Master Planner Saga. Classic stories exist for a reason. Because they were well-crafted and preserved the spirit of the character. Making a flick about a non-killing Punisher, a depressed Deadpool, an Evil Iron Man and so on and so forth would be "fresh" (as fresh as tired concepts with different protagonists can be), but they'd stop being adaptations, so why not just go and make a new IP?

All of the totally new and fresh takes happen in AUs and Elseworlds stories. If they take off, great, they get a book. See Earth one, Ultimate Marvel, Spider-Gwen, etc, etc. But you'll never get a drastic change out of the blue in a Main Universe book, so the whole point is moot.

Had The Dark Knight Returns been made into a movie before it was a comic everyone would be crying about the source material.

TDKR was an Elseworlds story that got traction because Frank Miller had already turned Daredevil into a dark AF comic, and people were starting to see them as more than kids' stories. And therein lies your answer: When given free reign to do his own non-canon story, Miller did TDKR. When he had to write an in-continuity story, he wrote Daredevil, and his run remains the foundation of the character. He didn't turn in a mediocre script just because he had to stay true to the character. If anything, he elevated him. And his DD is miles ahead of TDKR. The latter just gained more traction because Batman is more well known.

I don't care if this movie has Eddie Brock, Flash, Or scorpion Venom playing the lead, the prospect of a more unique superhero movie excites me.

a) Venom is not a super-hero, so it won't be a super-hero film, by definition.

b) Rumors say they're gonna go ahead with a horror sci-fi flick.

So according to that, you should wait for The Thing, just with the Symbiote. Big deal. They could've chosen a myriad other characters to do it, and it still would've had the same effect. Venom just is more well known, and Sony owns him. It won't be "groundbreaking" or "fresh" just because of the genre.

If it were up to me, every superhero movie would have an R rating. The rating indicates that this won't be a family friendly film, which for the most part I'm not interested in.

You sure about that? 'Cause I don't think Superman, Green Lantern and Flash need R-Ratings...

 

[Chakor]

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[pturtle]

Venom Movie: Sony working on the Spin-Off

Go watch The Thing. Or Predator. Or Alien. Or Life. These are horror sci-fi flicks with monsters as the main attraction. There's no need to take Venom, spin the concept around and make it seomthing it's not. They tried it in the books, it failed, the end. What you want is a Carnage movie, which I'd be on-board with, but not a Venom one.



Because a CBM writer must juggle decades of continuity & work on the character as part of a larger narrative. And contrary to popular belief, the new elements are introduced gradually, not all at once. Every time they try and do something crazy right out off the gate, it backfires. As it should, really. Continuity and characterization should be respected.

The movie on the other hand is of course its own thing, but if it's completely its own thing, then what's the point? Folks want to see the characters translated on screen. Yeah, sure, you can do a film about an Assassin Spider-Man ala Jon Wick crossed with Agent 47. There's already a book about that. And I don't want to see that before Kraven's Last Hunt or The Master Planner Saga. Classic stories exist for a reason. Because they were well-crafted and preserved the spirit of the character. Making a flick about a non-killing Punisher, a depressed Deadpool, an Evil Iron Man and so on and so forth would be "fresh" (as fresh as tired concepts with different protagonists can be), but they'd stop being adaptations, so why not just go and make a new IP?

All of the totally new and fresh takes happen in AUs and Elseworlds stories. If they take off, great, they get a book. See Earth one, Ultimate Marvel, Spider-Gwen, etc, etc. But you'll never get a drastic change out of the blue in a Main Universe book, so the whole point is moot.



TDKR was an Elseworlds story that got traction because Frank Miller had already turned Daredevil into a dark AF comic, and people were starting to see them as more than kids' stories. And therein lies your answer: When given free reign to do his own non-canon story, Miller did TDKR. When he had to write an in-continuity story, he wrote Daredevil, and his run remains the foundation of the character. He didn't turn in a mediocre script just because he had to stay true to the character. If anything, he elevated him. And his DD is miles ahead of TDKR. The latter just gained more traction because Batman is more well known.



a) Venom is not a super-hero, so it won't be a super-hero film, by definition.

b) Rumors say they're gonna go ahead with a horror sci-fi flick.

So according to that, you should wait for The Thing, just with the Symbiote. Big deal. They could've chosen a myriad other characters to do it, and it still would've had the same effect. Venom just is more well known, and Sony owns him. It won't be "groundbreaking" or "fresh" just because of the genre.



You sure about that? 'Cause I don't think Superman, Green Lantern and Flash need R-Ratings...

I saw those movies already, I want something new with characters that I know. Burton's Batman did it, TDK did it, Singer X-Men sort of did it, Fantastic Four reboot was a really cool concept that just didn't come together for whatever reason you want to believe. A Venom movie with a horror tone is cool to me, you comic book guys gotta free you mind a little bit. It didn't work in the comics so what? Maybe a better writer or the director can take that concept and make it work, if not then so what, they'll reboot it again in 3 years.

It will be groundbreaking and fresh for superhero movies, maybe not the sci-fi horror genre, but for superhero movies it'll be something different. I don't care if it's Venom or Carnage, and I'm pretty familiar with both those characters and I still don't care how much they change those characters, if they can make a cool movie that draws some inspiration from the comics then I'm happy.

None of the Suicide Squad members were heroes but people still consider it a superhero movie, if you want to get technical then a comic book movie, it'll still be unique compared to what we're getting from Marvel and WB.

Yup, I have no problem with an R rated Superman movie. He can still be the lighthearted beacon of hope, just use to the R rating to make his villains do some horrible ****.

If it helps, just consider this an Elseworld story too, I don't see the problem. I get people want to see these characters faithfully translated to the big screen, but again these movies are aimed at casuals like myself, and if they make a great movie featuring Venom, that'll probably be the definitive version of that character, and people will probably accept the change.

 

[moose]

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Yup, completely agree.

Exactly home coming looks to the ultimate spiderman come to life it's got an avenger showing up and that is the ultimate downfall of these cinematic universe is the bleeding over of the characters had they simply kept solo movies and combined them in avengers then it would have been fine but there is so much cross over now the individual movies I feel are becoming subservient to this universe and turning in to avengers lite and are not able to be there own thing as with the previous comic book movies.

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[Victοr]

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I saw those movies already, I want something new with characters that I know. Burton's Batman did it, TDK did it, Singer X-Men sort of did it, Fantastic Four reboot was a really cool concept that just didn't come together for whatever reason you want to believe. A Venom movie with a horror tone is cool to me, you comic book guys gotta free you mind a little bit. It didn't work in the comics so what? Maybe a better writer or the director can take that concept and make it work, if not then so what, they'll reboot it again in 3 years.

If you're expecting Bankrupt Sony, who's looking left and right for a franchise to make a Venom movie, that has little to do with any version of Venom, that'll turn out to be a meaningful and unique take, well... you're awfully optimistic.

Besides, my mind is "free". If it wasn't, I wouldn't be reading Morrison's Occult "High-on-Acid" brainstorms. But I don't really give a damn about a "fresh" spin on decades old characters. I want to see them translated. i don't care about actors and directors who do these flicks purely for the money putting their own "spin" on it.

It will be groundbreaking and fresh for superhero movies, maybe not the sci-fi horror genre, but for superhero movies it'll be something different. I don't care if it's Venom or Carnage, and I'm pretty familiar with both those characters and I still don't care how much they change those characters, if they can make a cool movie that draws some inspiration from the comics then I'm happy.

You don't care, but I care, and so I don't really want a "Venom" movie that has nothing to do with the source material. Simple as that.

None of the Suicide Squad members were heroes but people still consider it a superhero movie, if you want to get technical then a comic book movie, it'll still be unique compared to what we're getting from Marvel and WB.

SKWAD was also supposed to be "groundbreaking". And SONY wanted to try the villains-as-protagonists thing with the Sinister Six, and we all saw how that turned out. Leaked plot points included the Six making fun of Spider-Man's Black Suit and him... letting it go. Yeah, that was SONY's genius Venom origin. Apart from that, you had "a giant-ass Sandman wrecking buildings" and the Six travelling to the Savage Land and battling Dinosaurs. Wee...

Yup, I have no problem with an R rated Superman movie. He can still be the lighthearted beacon of hope, just use to the R rating to make his villains do some horrible ****.

Then ask for an Invincible movie. Or a Mr. Majestic one. Don't go around asking for characters to be turned into something they're not 'cause "blood and gore = realism".

If it helps, just consider this an Elseworld story too, I don't see the problem. I get people want to see these characters faithfully translated to the big screen, but again these movies are aimed at casuals like myself, and if they make a great movie featuring Venom, that'll probably be the definitive version of that character, and people will probably accept the change.

Nope. Logan was great, but Wolverine still is the short guy with a silly costume. People may have loved Keaton's Batman, but the definitive version is still the guy who has mastered 127 martial arts, beat Darkseid, doesn't kill, etc, etc. Movies based on comic books will never replace the characters in their original form. And the only example you need is Batman.

 

[pturtle]

Venom Movie: Sony working on the Spin-Off

If you're expecting Bankrupt Sony, who's looking left and right for a franchise to make a Venom movie, that has little to do with any version of Venom, that'll turn out to be a meaningful and unique take, well... you're awfully optimistic.

Besides, my mind is "free". If it wasn't, I wouldn't be reading Morrison's Occult "High-on-Acid" brainstorms. But I don't really give a damn about a "fresh" spin on decades old characters. I want to see them translated. i don't care about actors and directors who do these flicks purely for the money putting their own "spin" on it.



You don't care, but I care, and so I don't really want a "Venom" movie that has nothing to do with the source material. Simple as that.



SKWAD was also supposed to be "groundbreaking". And SONY wanted to try the villains-as-protagonists thing with the Sinister Six, and we all saw how that turned out. Leaked plot points included the Six making fun of Spider-Man's Black Suit and him... letting it go. Yeah, that was SONY's genius Venom origin. Apart from that, you had "a giant-ass Sandman wrecking buildings" and the Six travelling to the Savage Land and battling Dinosaurs. Wee...



Then ask for an Invincible movie. Or a Mr. Majestic one. Don't go around asking for characters to be turned into something they're not 'cause "blood and gore = realism".



Nope. Logan was great, but Wolverine still is the short guy with a silly costume. People may have loved Keaton's Batman, but the definitive version is still the guy who has mastered 127 martial arts, beat Darkseid, doesn't kill, etc, etc. Movies based on comic books will never replace the characters in their original form. And the only example you need is Batman.

Nah bruh. I don't know those characters you just named, I know Venom, and I want him in an R rated horror flick, and hopefully that's what Sony produces. I hope I get my blood and gore Venom flick, and hopefully it turns out great.

Batman might be too popular or we just haven't had that perfect version yet but for a lot of people Jackman is the definitive version of Wolverine, Ledger is the definitive version of Joker, Christopher Reeve is the definitive version of Superman, Evans is Cap, Downey is Iron Man, I know it hurts but these movie reach a far wider audience than comic books.

The plot leaked you just described sounds terrible, but I know there's far more ridiculous comic book stories than that, and comic books are the king at milking these characters, why should we expect anything different from Hollywood producers? Right now we need more unique superhero movies, and an R rated Venom movie could just be that.

Also a Venom movie can be inspired by the source material and still be its own thing, that's what I'm hoping far. I don't care about any liberties they take with the character if it serves the story.

But that's, it I can't argue anymore, I've been at it for too many days now

You want your faithful Venom in a Spidey movie, I just want a good movie, let's just leave it like that. I'm exhausted

 

[Victοr]

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[ironwez20]

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Again, where are you getting that I think Venom is going to be great? Based on the tiny info we know, I like the direction it's going, that's all.

So I guess it doesn't matter when producers are apart of great films, you'll only focus on the bad ones, got it

All these movies are cash grabs, one is no less than the other. If they find a Venom director that's passionate about the project and offers up a unique take on Venom, would that be more of a cash grab than teaming Spider-Man up with Iron Man again?

Venom has been in development since before Spidey entered the MCU, they've been trying to get this movie made for years


I thought Garfield's Spidey was terrible and hipster too, and I have no problem with the diversity but I was making a point how this movie has changed the look of so many characters and nobody is complaining, yet people are freaking out over Domino in the Deadpool thread. The MCU bias continues.



As you know I don't care about the comics. The prospect of a scary, horror alien movie starring Venom sound cool. Why is it only okay for comic book writers to offer a fresh take on these characters but movies can't?

Had The Dark Knight Returns been made into a movie before it was a comic everyone would be crying about the source material.

I don't care if this movie has Eddie Brock, Flash, Or scorpion Venom playing the lead, the prospect of a more unique superhero movie excites me.

If it were up to me, every superhero movie would have an R rating. The rating indicates that this won't be a family friendly film, which for the most part I'm not interested in.

Of course I focus on the bad ones. Those are the ones avi arad was in charge of. Sony is scrambling for a franchise. Just cause the man did 1 and 2 doesn't mean a damn thing honestly. He was in the background for those movies in three he was more heavily involved.

 

[SNIKT1950]

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https://collider.com/spider-man-homecoming-2-mcu-marvel-sony/#amy-pascal

I was right. SONY will eventually bring Spidey home.

 

[Captain Clown]

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https://collider.com/spider-man-homecoming-2-mcu-marvel-sony/#amy-pascal

I was right. SONY will eventually bring Spidey home.

Spider-Man not being owned by Marvel anymore = Bringing him home?

The new movie looks meh, but it would be even worse if we got yet another reboot so soon.

 

[crows]

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[SNIKT1950]

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Spider-Man not being owned by Marvel anymore = Bringing him home?

The new movie looks bad, but it would be even worse if we got yet another reboot so soon.

Marvel STUDIOS is not Marvel Comics. Its a Disney-owned production house currently renting out Spidey.

SONY is and has been Spidey's home cinematically since Cameron tried to make the film in the 90s.

 

[Captain Clown]

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Marvel STUDIOS is not Marvel Comics. Its a Disney-owned production house currently renting out Spidey.

SONY is and has been Spidey's home cinematically since Cameron tried to make the film in the 90s.

I guess.

Still, I like seeing Spider-Man interact with other characters that he never would've been able to interact with before, like Captain America & co. I wanna see him with the Hulk next.

What will Sony do? Give him another movie grieving over another dead Uncle Ben?

 

[ironwez20]

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Marvel STUDIOS is not Marvel Comics. Its a Disney-owned production house currently renting out Spidey.

SONY is and has been Spidey's home cinematically since Cameron tried to make the film in the 90s.

Yea the same home that almost destroyed the franchise and hasn't made a great spidey movie since 2004. I'm sure people would love another reboot. Lol yea no. If the spidey brand wants to survive it needs to stay where it's at

 

[Chakor]

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https://collider.com/spider-man-homecoming-2-mcu-marvel-sony/#amy-pascal

 

[SNIKT1950]

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Adi Shankar is in talks to direct. This is going to be ****ing awesome.

 

[Khev]

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Adi Shankar is in talks to direct. This is going to be ****ing awesome.

Why because Eric Draven cosplayers who've never directed a thing in their life = cinematic genius?

 

[pturtle]

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Adi Shankar is in talks to direct. This is going to be ****ing awesome.

I just looked this guy up, he hasn't directed anything, how is this awesome? Seems he's only produced movies so far.

 

[RIDDICK]

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Shankar is a very creative guy. Would be very interestin' to see his directorial work.